Utica Comets Mailbag
It’s time for another edition of the CanucksArmy Utica Comets Mailbag, so let’s get after it, shall we?
Where do you see Jett woo slotting in the lineup?
— Joey Byrne (@J_oeyB) July 18, 2019
Jett Woo will either take training camp by storm and earn a job with the Vancouver Canucks out of camp, or it will be back to the Calgary Hitmen of the WHL for him. This is due to the CHL/NHL transfer agreement that ensures that the teams in the WHL/OHL/QMJHL get to hang onto their higher-end talent for a little longer. Woo is not eligible to join the Comets at the start of the season because he will not yet be of age to play in the AHL, however, he will be able to join the Comets once his junior season wraps up this season. That could land him in Utica for a handful of games at the end of the season and if we are lucky, the Comets will make the playoffs and he will be able to extend that experience a little longer. That’s if the Canucks don’t bring him right to the big club once his WHL season is done.
What is the plan moving forward for Palmu?
— krufrank (@krufrank) July 18, 2019
There has been nothing said officially by the Canucks/Comets regarding their plans for Petrus Palmu for the upcoming season, but it is my impression that he will likely be playing in Finland again. Or at least that he will not be in Utica. When I spoke with Comets coach Trent Cull at development camp this year and asked him about the comments made by Palmu and Jonathan Dahlen after they moved on from the team last year, it felt like we had possibly seen the last of Palmu in a Comets jersey. I could also have been entirely wrong with how I read the situation. Maybe we see him packaged up with another player as the Canucks try to make some room and clear out a few of the excess bodies that they have piled up at the moment?
Have you had any convos w/Utica fans regarding the direction of the Comets? Do they support what some Canucks fans are suggesting, to just "play the kids" even if it means losing most games? Or do they not care about that and want a winning team right away? Or are they casual?
— Alan (@alan_22) July 18, 2019
I saw that Ben Birnell of the Utica Observer-Dispatch answered this question for Alan, so I will include that here, along with some answers that I got when I posted this question on a pair of Comets fan pages.
FWIW: Utica fans want to see players do well and have the team succeed.
It is possible for AHL teams to win and develop. Trent Cull has said that's his job.
It is finding a balance, including quality personnel to help prospects, etc.
Utica fans are passionate and know the game.
— Ben Birnell (@OD_Birnell) July 18, 2019
I don't think it is all on Cull, though. I think Canucks management has to have an active role in helping the team, too.
It seems like that's how teams like Toronto and Syracuse operate.
It is not just one person.
— Ben Birnell (@OD_Birnell) July 18, 2019
UTICA COMETS CHATTER
- Bob Hartigan – If you don’t put a competitive team on the ice, the fans will leave.
You need the right veterans to help the young guys!
- Eric Christensen – Winning breeds winners, losing breeds liberals.
- Andrew Alsheimer – I am mixed on this subject. I really like a competitive team but I also know we are here to support the main team.
- Timothy Lambert – These veterans and PTO players are second chance pros still looking for a shot in the NHL. They deserve another look and make the younger players competitive. There is still a lot of playing time for both.
Utica Comets Hardcore
- Bob Martin – I’ll speak for myself only but I feel that my opinion is not alone. I want to see a well managed and well-coached hockey team. If done properly the team will win and develop at the same time. It doesn’t have to be winning at the expense of development or development at the expense of winning. Just look at the Syracuse Crunch and Toronto Marlies as examples of well managed and well-coached organizations that have winning teams most seasons and develop good NHL players. The right combination of AHL veterans and prospects leads to success in the standings and in prospect development. When there is a lack of prospects at a certain position such as the Canucks have had at the AHL level at center for several seasons they have to bring in the right veterans in the middle to help the prospects on the wings develop. At the same time, it helps the team win. The ultimate goal of any AHL fan is to watch their team win a Calder Cup and then follow the careers of several of the players on that team in the NHL for years to come.*
- Matt Carro – It took Lind and Gadojovich until the end of the year to understand and get the AHL. Palmu wasn’t ready for the AHL and may never be. So for Vancouver fans to cry about it, they didn’t watch what was going on. Just made opinions.
- James DiSpirito – To the occasional fan who doesn’t understand the AHL and why we have a team in this league, it’s just win at any cost. The majority of fans would agree with Bob Martin’s and Matt Carro’s assessments.
- Kevin Martin – Hey Cory keep up the good work! It is hard right now to discern any direction for the Comets. The roster has undergone a major overhaul this year and last. In the first 4 years, we were blessed with Travis Green at the helm, Jacob Markstrom in net, and a good mix of vets and prospects. Those teams had a definite identity, won some games, and players had to earn time. They picked up Sven Baertschi, Adam Clendening and Cory Conacher at the trade deadline and they were a big part of the Calder Cup run. That was great work by the front office and all three have a decent number of NHL games since then. They weren’t rookies, they were experienced players who were question marks kind of like Goldobin and Boucher are now. Those are pretty easy calls as far as playing time and they are prospects of a sort. It is also a pleasure to watch a young guy like Jake Virtanen put in time here and follow him as he blossoms into a good NHL player. Thatcher Demko, and (hopefully) Olli Juolevi are the same. Very fortunate to see those young guys who have the chance to be very good NHLers and no question they have to be played but there isn’t much doubt that they deserve it. But there are only so many of those to go around that are easy calls. Then you have the next tier of guys who are young projects like Brendan Gaunce or Cole Cassels. Will they or won’t they? Gaudette looks like he won’t be coming back and it was great to watch him develop and earn his spot. Gaunce I thought was going to get there but injuries got him. Zack MacEwen fits here. He has a real chance to collect an NHL paycheck one day for sure barring injury but he is clearly right where he belongs. The next tier you need are the veteran players who have a chance to play like Alex Biega but are overlooked or discarded by other organizations but who might find a place or be depth signings. Maybe Luke Schenn fits here or Ashton Sautner. The last tier are veteran AHLers. I would say you need 3 of those at least but most teams have more. That probably adds up to a long-winded “play the prospects”, mostly, answer.
- Clint van Hatten – Well if the Canucks had some serious prospects then I’d say play them.. the problem is the Canucks have only a couple serious prospects……
- Greg Wrate – Without any disrespect to them whatsoever, give me a team without Carter and Wacey and the majority of the fans will rejoice and embrace whoever else is in the lineup. Have a great Summer everyone!
- Mike Flihan – I’m all for playing prospects when they earn the ice time and actually show they belong on the ice at this level. We’ve seen in the past a couple of things. Some guys feel entitled and don’t put in the work needed and just want to go through the motions ex Dahlen. Or don’t have the skill to be playing here yet and are not ready or able ex Palmu. Also, need a mix. Kids won’t develop or learn to win on their own. Need a group of solid vets to show them the way.
- Steve Zabko – I’m just hoping for a healthy team. We can sit here and debate who should play, and when, all day BUT, like the last 4 seasons, without a healthy team, all of this is meaningless.
Coach has a hard enough time figuring out who can play, let alone, when.
Vancouver and Utica have been stricken by injuries (I believe even lead the league (s) with lost man games. Let’s just hope for a healthy squad(s) and let the pieces develop (win) along the way.
- James Spella – Personally I think the Canucks should be self-interested in recruiting the best talent they can for the Comets and have a winner in Utica. That talent will move up to Vancouver to be a winner there!
- Rick Davis – Developing players is a priority, however, the AHL is the 2nd best league in the world…and there’s nothing positive in losing…the other teams are playing to win (that’s why they sign, guys like Cal O’Reilly, TJ Brennan and Archi)….gotta do both…develop and play to win.
*That first answer from Bob Martin was also applauded and echoed by many on the Utica Comets Hardcore page.*
Is there any chance that a prospect like Palmu leaves the Comets again; or Trent cull gets fired during the season?
— Tommy Spence (@tspence81) July 18, 2019
I’m not sure that we will get the chance to see if Petrus Palmu leaves the team again as I’m not 100% sure that he will be making the trip across to play in the AHL this season. Time will tell on that front. As far as whether or not a “player like him” will take the same path…I hope not. The Canucks’ prospect pool is not deep enough for them to have players moving on from the club in that way. I hope that the team has learned a thing or two about how to handle similar situations going forward, or how to avoid them altogether.
Turning to Trent Cull and his job with the Canucks organization, anything is possible. Personally, I don’t think that Trent Cull has done as bad of a job as some do. I have seen players take steps under this coaching staff and have heard more players gush about the staff than I have heard throwing them under the bus. I think that the job of an AHL coach is probably tougher than most think with having to juggle a constant turnover of players due to injuries and call-ups.
All of that said, this could be a big year for the coaching staff in Utica. Players like Kole Lind and Jonah Gadjovich will need to prove worthy of bigger roles this season and others like Jalen Chatfield, Guillaume Brisebois, and Olli Juolevi will have to step up as well.
How many players under contract to Vancouver can play for Kalamazoo? With the Canucks having to likely put a player or two in Utica how many veterans can Utica dress? How many GP to be considered a veteran? Utica care more about winning or development?
— Ron#1Canucksfan (@RonSimp16154192) July 18, 2019
Ole Ronnie is getting his money’s worth on this one…let’s dig in.
The Vancouver Canucks could park as many players as they like in Kalamazoo, as far as I am aware. NHL teams don’t typically load up their ECHL affiliate with players on two-way deals with the big club, but the Canucks have sent a few of those types down over the years. Mackenze Stewart, Evan McEneny, and Yan-Pavel Laplante come to mind in recent seasons.
The thing is, NHL teams can only have 50 contracts on the books, so having more than a couple sliding down from the AHL level to the ECHL could be seen as problematic. AHL contracts are a different story though. Last year, the Comets had the equivalent of one full forward line, one defensive pair and one goaltender playing with the Kalamazoo Wings.
Moving on to the veteran situation. AHL teams can dress up to five players per game who have veteran status with the league. Those would be players who have played in 320 or more games at the NHL/AHL level, or in high-level European professional leagues.
The Comets currently have captain Carter Bancks, Wacey Hamilton, Reid Boucher, and newcomers Tyler Graovac, and Carter Camper who will fall into that category for the upcoming season. Teams can have as many such players on their roster, but as mentioned above, only five can play in a given game. That means that if we see Tim Schaller or Tyler Motte sent down out of camp that they would also count against the veteran limit and Trent Cull will have to whip out the Plinko machine to fit everyone in and keep them happy.
To answer Ron’s last question, I will go back to my interview with Trent Cull at development camp this year. Cull said that the team has to walk a fine line between developing players and winning games. He said that the team makes their lineup decisions as a group and that they see playing in a winning environment as a plus, especially if it means getting into the playoffs where Cull says the players get a whole other layer of development by playing in that kind of environment.
Why isn't anyone talking Kole Lind?
Everyone was hyped when he fell into the Canucks lap at the draft, but after a disappoint year in the AHL, seems like he's fallen off the radar. Is he still on track to becoming an NHLer?
— Jeff Godley (@JeffGodley) July 18, 2019
I know that many, including myself, thought that Kole Lind would step into the AHL and show well early on his way to a successful season. Well, things didn’t turn out the way we expected, but they weren’t nearly as bad as some others believe them to be.
Kole had a difficult time making the adjustment from junior to pro and he said as much in more than one media hit. The game was faster than he was ready for and once he finally did start to get some traction with his game, he sustained an injury and missed roughly a month of hockey. After returning from that injury, Kole looked a little rusty for a few games before getting into the swing of things and taking off as the year wound down.
I think that we will see Kole have a better start to the upcoming season now that he has a better idea of what he will need to do on and off the ice to be successful at the pro level. He will also have to prove that he can stay healthy for more of the season in order to give himself the best chance for success.
Thoughts on Gadjovich? Is he progressing or looking like a dud?
— Sean Warren (@SeanyeWest234) July 18, 2019
Kole Lind and Jonah Gadjovich are often talked about in the same sentence as they were both drafted in the second round by the Canucks in the 2017 draft, but they are different players who bring different elements to the team. That said, they had similar struggles with adapting to the pro level last year.
Jonah had a tougher time keeping up to the pace of the pro level as his skating still needs some work, but it certainly did improve over the course of the season. He also had lingering injury issues that I am convinced stymied his ability to play “his game” earlier in the year. As the season went on, Gadjovich, like Lind, looked more comfortable and we saw him start to impose his will a little more often. I’m not sure how far up the lineup Gadjovich will climb this season, but I do expect him to take on more minutes and be trusted in more situations by the coaching staff. There is no shortage of work ethic from either of Lind or Gadjovich and that will bode well for both young men.
Who do you see as Kole Lind's center in Utica next year?
— Stephen Tetreau (@stetreau) July 18, 2019
The answer to this question will depend largely on who will be available in Utica to start the season. When I look at the roster that I think will be available, I see things shaking out something like this…
Reid Boucher (A) – Adam Gaudette – Zack MacEwen
Francis Perron – Carter Camper – Justin Bailey
Lukas Jasek – Tyler Graovac – Kole Lind
Jonah Gadjovich – Wacey Hamilton (A) – Carter Bancks (C)
Right now I have Seamus Malone and Vincent Arseneau as the extra forwards, but I expect to see another body or two added on AHL deals.
If the lines end up shaking out this way, Lind will have something solid to work with. Jasek is a puck possession machine and brings some speed to the line, while Graovac managed to put up 50 points last season and would give Lind someone a little more offensive-minded than Brendan Woods, who he saw a good deal of minutes with last year. I think that the line of Jasek-Graovac-Lind could end up being a solid two-way line that could provide some nice secondary offence for the team without getting buried on the defensive side.
We have seen time and again that injuries and call-ups will lay waste to the best-laid plans as far as lineups go, so I’m certain that Lind will see his share of time with each of the pivots who end up in Utica this season.
Stay tuned next week for another edition of the CanucksArmy Utica Comets Mailbag.