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Trade Market: Steady Yet Fragile Blueline Stud Edition

The 2018/19 season is off to about as optimistic a start as the Vancouver Canucks could have hoped for, but there’s every reason to believe that the good times won’t last. Most prognosticators—and fans—predict that the Canucks are in for a tough season, and that means that discussion around the team will eventually shift toward off-ice events like the Trade Deadline. Specifically, there’s bound to be plenty of talk about pawning off some of the organizations most valuable and tradeable assets—chief among them, Chris Tanev. That brings us to our latest Trade Market: Steady Yet Fragile Blueline Stud Edition.

Chances are good that any other NHL team would be willing to take Tanev, but the goal here is to zero in on those franchises that would offer a particularly satisfying return. To qualify for this Trade Market, a team has to have an identifiable need for a top-four, right-handed defender. They’ll also need to be set up to contend for at least the next two years, a situation that would make Tanev’s remaining two years at $4.45 million especially appealing. Cap space is always a factor, but less so at the Trade Deadline, so it won’t be a major factor in this discussion.

 

Toronto Maple Leafs

 

NHL Depth Chart:

Left Defense Right Defense
Morgan Rielly Ron Hainsey
Jake Gardiner Nikita Zaitsev
Travis Dermott Igor Ozhiganov
Martin Marincin Justin Holl

Notable Defense Prospects: Timothy Liljegren, Rasmus Sandin, Andrew Nielsen, Calle Rosen, Andres Borgman, Sean Durzi

 

Stanley Cup Window?: If you hadn’t heard that the Maple Leafs’ Cup window is wide open, there’s a good chance that this is the first hockey article you’ve read since the end of last season. With John Tavares added to an already-scintillating offense, the time for Toronto to once again make some postseason noise is nigh.

Why Them?: There have been rumours of a Tanev to Toronto trade for years, and the Maple Leafs remain the best fit for a potential deal. Their defensive depth on the right side is atrocious at the NHL level—especially for a would-be contender—and although they have a multitude of notable blueline prospects, their impending salary cap nightmare means the Leafs can’t afford to wait for them to develop. Toronto has been seeking a partner for Morgan Rielly for a while now, and he played well with Tanev at the World Championships. If Tanev can stay healthy, he’s exactly what the Maple Leafs need to stabilize their backend.

 

New Jersey Devils

 

NHL Depth Chart:

Left Defense Right Defense
Andy Greene Damon Severson
Will Butcher Sami Vatanen
Mirco Mueller Ben Lovejoy
  Eric Gryba
  Steven Santini

Notable Defense Prospects: Ty Smith, Jeremy Davies, Reilly Walsh, Xavier Bernard

 

Stanley Cup Window?: With the reigning Hart Trophy winner and a recent first overall draft pick on their top line—along with the hopefully rebounding Cory Schneider in net—the Devils are too top-heavy to not aim for contention. New Jersey made the playoffs in 2017/18, but they’ll have a tougher time doing so again this season in the stacked Metropolitan Division. 

Why Them?: New Jersey’s defense just doesn’t stack up to that of some other would-be contenders. Damon Severson and Sami Vatanen are fine top-four defenders, but neither of them have established themselves as top-pairing material. Tanev would make a fantastic partner for the offensively-dynamic Will Butcher, who will be expected to carry an increased load on the blueline this year.

 

Edmonton Oilers

 

NHL Depth Chart:

Left Defense Right Defense
Oscar Klefbom Adam Larsson
Darnell Nurse Andrej Sekera (inj.)
Kris Russell (inj.) Matt Benning
Jason Garrison Ethan Bear
  Evan Bouchard

Notable Defense Prospects: Evan Bouchard, Ethan Bear, Caleb Jones, Dmitri Samorukov

 

Stanley Cup Window?: The Oilers have the best player in the world on their roster, and he’s just entering his prime. While that hasn’t yet translated into a ton of success, there’s no chance that Edmonton is doing anything other than attempting to compete right now. A player like Connor McDavid can absolutely drag a team through a couple of playoff rounds by himself, so the Oilers can’t really be that far from true contention.

Why Them?: Trading with the Oilers would require Jim Benning being comfortable with an intradivisional deal, but the fit is there. There’s no telling how the 32-year-old Andrej Sekera will recover from a torn achilles tendon, and that has the Edmonton blueline looking mighty thin after Adam Larsson. This franchise can’t afford to waste McDavid’s peak years, and that could incentivize them to pay the extra divisional rival tax required to land Tanev.

 

Florida Panthers

 

NHL Depth Chart:

Left Defense Right Defense
Keith Yandle Aaron Ekblad
Michael Matheson Mark Pysyk
Mackenzie Weegar Alex Petrovic
Bogdan Kiselevich  

Notable Defense Prospects: Jacob MacDonald, Ian McCoshen, Max Gildon, Riley Stillman ALL LEFT

 

Stanley Cup Window?: Florida narrowly missed the playoffs last season, but they’re very clearly a team on the rise. With the addition of Mike Hoffman, the Panthers have a stacked top-six up front, but question marks remain on the blueline and in the crease. Florida looks like they’re a couple of additions—and a healthy season from Roberto Luongo—away from becoming true Cup contenders. 

Why Them?: It’s hard to ignore the lengthy history of big trades between the Canucks and Panthers, but there’s more to this match than that. Aaron Ekblad has had an inconsistent career this far, and he could probably benefit from having a steady, minute-munching presence behind him on the right side. Mark Pysyk and Alex Petrovic aren’t that, but Tanev certainly could be. In addition, all of Florida’s notable defense prospects play the left side, which makes the need for righthanded depth even more dire.

 

Vegas Golden Knights

 

NHL Depth Chart:

Left Defense Right Defense
Nate Schmidt (Susp.) Colin Miller
Brayden McNabb Deryk Engelland
Shea Theodore Nick Holden
Jon Merrill Brad Hunt
Jake Bischoff  

Notable Defense Prospects: Erik Brannstrom, Nicolas Hague, Zach Whitecloud, Stanislav Demin

 

Stanley Cup Window?: Nobody expected the Golden Knights to perform like they did last season, but their fanbase now expects them to compete for the Cup every year—for better or for worse. There’s no way the defending Western Conference Champions can justify any sort of rebuild, so they’ll be aiming for the playoffs for the foreseeable future.

Why Them?: No NHL blueline overachieved more in 2017/18 than that of the Vegas Golden Knights. Colin Miller was a solid top-pairing defender last year, but he might backslide, and Deryk Engelland is locally beloved, but a questionable top-four defenseman at best. With Nate Schmidt suspended for the first quarter of the season, the Golden Knights’ blueline will almost inevitably regress this year, and Tanev might just be the antidote to their struggles.

 

Arizona Coyotes

 

NHL Depth Chart:

Left Defense Right Defense
Oliver Ekman-Larsson Jason Demers
Alex Goligoski Niklas Hjalmarsson
Jakob Chychrun Jordan Oesterle
  Ilya Lyubushkin

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Notable Defense Prospects: Pierre-Olivier Joseph, Kyle Capobianco, Cam Dineen, Filip Westerlund

 

Stanley Cup Window?: It’s very difficult to argue that the Arizona Coyotes are Stanley Cup contenders, but they have the potential to surprise in the Western Conference this season. The Coyotes have spent the last few drafts loading up on quality prospects, and they need to start making some progress toward the playoffs at some point. Once they do, the potential is definitely there for some long-term success.

Why Them?: Tanev is younger than both Niklas Hjalmarsson and Jason Demers, and when healthy he’s arguably better than either of them. The Coyotes’ blueline is definitely left-heavy, and Tanev could pair up nicely with either Alex Goligoski or Jakob Chychrun—or he could finally provide Oliver Ekman-Larsson with a defense partner worthy of his talents.

  • apr

    Hindsight is 20-20, but I wish the Nucks let go off Ganuce and kept Sbisa, so they could have traded Gudbrandson. I really like the guy, and toughness is important. He murdered Tom Wilson for cripes sake. But the dude just can’t make a break out pass, and when he does its either intercepted or iced. I’d rather keep Tanev to bring the Juolevi, Hughes, Woo’s, and potentially Byrum’s along. If there is a market for Gudbrandson, he’s the right shot D you trade.

      • apr

        Its not wanting Sbisa back – its providing cover last year for trading Gudbrandson for a 2nd that was rumoured to be on the table. Instead Benning protected Gaunce and his 3 goals in 125 games.

        • If they wanted to move Gudbranson, they could easily have picked up a replacement on the waiver wire or another team’s castoff for a 7th round pick, and that defenseman would likely have provided as much to the team as Sbisa. It’s clear by the refusal to trade Gudbranson, and by resigning him, that Benning values Gudbranson and wants him on the team.

          • KGR

            My understanding is at the time the Canucks could have traded Gudbranson, he was playing injured. Eventually he was shut down. The choice the canucks had was either resign him or let him walk in the off season.

          • Defenceman Factory

            KGR has it right. Guddy was hurt at the trade deadline so the choice was re-sign or let him walk. I’m not sure why the Canucks have been so optimistic about Guddy or why they didn’t move him much sooner.

  • Question related to the Leafs and a potential Tanev trade:

    Can a team trade retained salary? The Leafs have tonnes of cap space this year, but are facing a cap crunch next year. They’ll have no issue fitting Tanev on the team this year, but might be reluctant to trade for him if it means cap problems down the road. They’re still holding on to 1.2 million of Kessel’s salary for several more seasons. The Canucks could easily take it on, if such a thing is allowed, and that Kessel salary plus Ron Hainsey coming off the books will cover almost all of Tanev’s cap hit.

  • Puck Viking

    Gudbranson needs to be dealt first and for anything they can get. I’m sure Florida would want him back. Just simply take the highest pick possible.

    Tanev should be moved but you can always move him at the next TDL if you need to.

    The player who absolutely has to be moved this year is Edler. I’m sure we could resign him in the summer. There is no reason he wouldn’t want to play for a cup and be away from Vancouver for 4 months during a cup run.

    The focus should now be getting Joulevi up to game speed in the AHL, then bringing him up and giving him top 4 minutes so that he is ready to go next season.

    • argoleas

      I think the likelihood of Edler agreeing to a rental trade goes up if the plan is to re-sign him in the Summer. In effect, he would be helping his team forward. Edler as a vet presence with emergence of Juolevi and Hughes would be welcome, and could provide that LHD stability this team is so badly missing now. May even see Hughes switch to RD to play with Edler, leaving 3rd LD spot for a Hutton (but that is speculation on my part, and only if he plays well).

      Seems like Guddy is the embarrassment that Benning cannot admit to. Imagine the return he would get. Nothing compared to what he paid. I still say swallow yer pride and do the trade. Rip the bandaid off ASAP.

      Trading Tanev has to be done in the context of the above article. The overall package must include a high D prospect, most likely a RHD. I doubt that Toronto is one of these. They will be loath to trade Liljegren. More likely Toronto will try to solve their RHD problem once and for all with a Nylander trade, which IMO is now almost inevitable.

      If the above is done, then next year’s D corps may look as follows

      Edler-Hughes
      Juolevi-Stecher
      Hutton-Chatfield/UFA

      Pouliot gone. Guddy traded. Tanev traded for picks/prospects. Edler rented out but re-signed. Hutton extended.

      • Puck Viking

        Fully agree! Gudbranson for top pick possible. Edler deal and resign. Tanev if a 1st pr RHD prospect. MDZ top pick possible. I even take it a step further and move sven and Sutter they can be replaced by any combination of Gaudette, Gagner, Dahlen etc..

        Top 5 pick will be a forward, I’m hoping for Kakko.

        Every other pick in 1st, 2nd and 3rd round use on defense. Grab a couple goalies as insurance in later rounds. I’d rather be in the position of the hurricanes with too many defensemen that not enough.

        Really wish we picked up Mcelhiney off waivers.

        • Beer Can Boyd

          You people are hallucinating. Other teams have scouts, and they watch players before trading for them. No scout in the world is recommending that his team trades anything higher than a 4th or 5th rounder for Guddy or MDZ, (who was just a healthy scratch on the worst d-corps in the league), and even that is doubtful. Tanev is more interesting, and the Leaves might overpay for him. Agreed about Sutter and Baertschi, we have replacements for them in the system, and they could be useful to playoff teams.

          • TheRealPB

            Agreed. Why do we always think our crappy players are going to be shockingly overvalued by others? I don’t mean a Larsson-Hall; that’s lopsided but Larsson is an actually good player, just not nearly worth a Taylor Hall. That Benning signed MDZ to an absurd contract when he’d bounced around and gotten no interest is on Jim. Gudbranson is weirdly still valued around the league but highly unlikely he’d fetch more than a 2nd. Even though Tanev is excellent I think the Leafs or anyone else will still either give you a low first and a B/C prospect or an A prospect and a mid-round pick, but not a 1st and a top prospect. Given that the Leafs pick will be in the high 20s most likely if we can get an actual top prospect like a Liljegren, McCoshen, Brannstrom, Joseph, Bouchard or Smith, you do that in a heartbeat over a pick.

        • Fortitude00

          Gudbranson is here to protect the young stars and provide toughness in front of the net. he is finely healthy and was one of the best d the first two games against Calgary.

          • Beer Can Boyd

            Fortitude00… he was serviceable in game 1, (probably his best game as a Canuck), and certainly one of the Canucks 6 best defensemen in game 2. Last night in Carolina, he was providing toughness behind the net on the Aho goal….

          • argoleas

            I appreciate that, but if all he brings is the protection, Roussel and Schaller do this anyways. If so, get someone else that can be a 7th Dman dressed for heavier teams. The D spot he occupies is too valuable to be given to someone to just be a wiseguy.

      • Bud Poile

        Hughes is a LHD.
        Guddy is an RHD,which is a large reason why he was re-signed.
        Expecting a player to be cast off and expect him to immediately return is not realistic.

        • argoleas

          Not sure what you mean by the last sentence, but the Hughes concern may be valid, although he himself said he is fine on either side. We know Green will be more comfortable with the handedness aligned with position. In that case, more likely they keep Tanev, so:

          Hughes-Tanev
          Edler-Guddy
          Juolevi-Stecher

          • East van canuck

            Dud still laughably obsessing over rightys n leftys when it means absolutely NOTHING – the Canucks best ever D corps and 2011 SC finalists had just 2 rightys, Bieksa and Salo – Ehrhoff was therefore plugged in on his offwing and led the team in points by a defenceman… nextttttttttt

  • speering major

    I think the Leafs are a really good fit. They aren’t satisfied with their D. They won’t have the money to sign Gardiner next year. They also have two first round picks in the pipeline on D. Tanev’s contract gives them enough time to assess those top prospects and give them a chance to make the team while they have stability in Tanev. Tanev’s contract length also limits the risk they take on him with injuries.

    Tanev fits their win now mindset, adds depth that will be lost with Gardiner, and provides enough time for their top prospects to develop

    • TheRealPB

      So let me ask this — would you trade Tanev straight up for a Lucas Johansen, an Alexander Alexeyev, a Henri Jokiharju or a Rasmus Sandin? A couple of those players are pretty good prospects but they are still the range available at the bottom end of the draft which is probably where you get the Leafs finishing.

      • speering major

        Yeah I think a first rounder is worth it. Not every pick pans out but that’s why you accumulate a lot of them.

        Having Tanev on your team that will finish bottom 5 regardless, doesn’t accomplish much. Same with Sutter. Move them for picks and hope to get a solid piece down the road when you have a team that can compete. Look at the Leafs and Jets. They both beat us out of Mathews and Laine. They are both coming off great seasons and are legit cup contenders this year. You get there by hitting a lottery and building core pieces. There’s no other way around it. Yes you can add key pieces like big buff, Kessel, and Tavares but you have to draft your team. You certainly aren’t going to win all your trades when you acquire picks. Some are a bust and others are a home run. Drafting the next Tanev, Bieksa, etc sets you up for a decade. Taking a swing at that while you’re on the bottom by moving guys like Tanev and Sutter makes perfect sense. Jokiharju is a great example.

  • Kanuckhotep

    Stud defenceman are another species that don’t exactly grow on trees and teams either keep them forever or if you want one you must pay Big Time. (Karlsson, P.K., Ryan Suter) Veterans Tanev and Edler are the only Ds IMHO you can actually trust out there. Tanev you COULD get someone for but the return must be impactful and immediate to do this. No quick fixes or band aids here for this topic. Guddy? Born to be a Panther. Get ANYTHING for him, Mr. Benning, right now.

  • Burnabybob

    Doesn’t Tanev have a no trade clause. Or at least a limited NTC?

    I still don’t get why Benning didn’t trade Tanev before that took effect. His value has only decreased since then, and the Canucks have been nowhere close to making the playoffs, yet alone contending.

  • wojohowitz

    I don`t see players coming back – rather picks for the Vancouver draft and all the dead weight gone by the TDL. Barring injuries Utica should play 20-30 games before call ups start happening. Going back to our pre-season predictions this is a lost season. Players like McEneny, Juolevi, Chatfield and Brisebois should see some NHL ice time. Trading for stop gap veterans would be a really dumb move.

    This will be a big weekend in Utica. After two games, video review and five days of practice Cull will have a much better idea of who`s got game.

  • Kneedroptalbot

    The Canucks give up too many goals. Why on earth would you want to trade Tanev, your most reliable veteran D-man.
    He’s not even 30 yet. Give your head a shake.

  • Defenceman Factory

    This was an entertaining article. It would also be desirable to consider what potential trading partners have to send back in a Tanev trade. The debates can be endless about what is fair return but just identifying the centerpiece of the trade. Do those teams have a 1st round pick or a good prospect the Canucks should be interested in.

    The Canucks need for young RHD is dire. Stecher can play and maybe Woo, Chatfield or Brassard work out but none of them are likely top pair players. I don’t see one in this year’s draft either. Who will play on Hughes right side in 3 or 4 years? The 2020 draft is just leaving it way too long. Should the Canucks be relying on signing a big UFA contract for that role?

    I’d love to see an article that identified potential trades to acquire RHD prospects.

      • Defenceman Factory

        Maybe those deals are possible. We should think broader. Target the RHD we want. Tanev can be traded for the assets needed to get the player they really want. I think Dobson would be a perfect pairing for Hughes.

        • Beer Can Boyd

          Tanev has played 70 games ONCE in his 8 year NHL career. On a team with realistic Stanley Cup aspirations, he is at best a decent but fragile 3/4 defensemen. No one is giving up a prize defensive prospect or a first round pick higher than 20 for him. No matter what Vancouver media is telling you. Wake up folks.

        • jaybird43

          You won’t get Dobson for Tanev. If that’s the trade you want, then you have to figure out what else the islanders will take to make that happen. If it could be Tanev and one of their AHL forwards, thats worth thinking about. I would not be surprised to see Dobson as a top pairing, actually in the mold of Tanev but with a fair bit more (35-42 points) offense. Anyway, NY wouldn’t do a one up, straight up.

          • Defenceman Factory

            I really wasn’t trying to suggest Tanev would get you Dobson. I doubt the Isles are interested in Tanev but there may be something they would be willing to give him up for.

            Chicago and Boston also have good young RHD. What I was trying to say is Tanev doesn’t have to be part of the trade as not all teams would be interested in him. Tanev can be traded for picks or other players which could be used to acquire a RHD.

  • Kanuckhotep

    I think we all can see the several Elephants in the Room with the Canucks presently most of all Benning. Someone on here said, in effect, admit your mistakes, cut your losses and move on NOW. I’m sure Big Jim is working on it as we speak. If Aqualung wants seats filled and it keeps up like this attendance will drop significantly. Improve the product and even I might go to a few games but not like this.

  • LACANUCK

    I’m actually torn w Tanev. If the Canucks can get a first round pick or top prospect… sure, but to trade for lower picks or a B prospect would not be good.
    Having Tanev on the team for the next 2 years will be a stabilizing force, which will keep certain pressures off Hughes. Ollie and Quinn will join the Dcorps next year and having solid vets that can actually play defense will help their development.

    But if a team ponies up??? Later Tanev

      • argoleas

        Let’s see what he shows this year in terms of fortitude. If he holds up well, then it is possible a bidding war may develop. His contract is very good for high-cap teams (especially with retention by Canucks). Rules of the market would apply.

        By the time Canucks most likely hit their window, he will be Edler’s age. Not saying extending him is the worst thing in the world, but better to try to move on now if a good deal comes.

  • truthseeker

    For me, not much has changed with Tanev and his start to this season has been very good so I see no reason to lower my ask that much.

    I’ll admit it’s down from it’s peak after last season, but for me it’s still minimum another team’s number one D prospect and their first round pick in the next draft. If they’re not willing to do that then Tanev should be kept and (hopefully) resigned. He’ll be an excellent veteran D man for a lot of years and there is no reason we need to panic and let him go for too low a value. The canucks are in a great position to play hardball with his value in a trade because he still clearly has value to our team. Without a doubt Tanev can still be a part of the next “peak” of the canucks.

    For example with the leafs people are saying Liljegren would be a good return for Tanev. Nonsense. Absolutely awful return for Tanev. Lilgegren failed to make the Leafs blue line again this year. In the AHL so far he’s produced at a similar clip to what Pouliot did. All he is, is a prospect that really hasn’t proven anything. One single piece like that is WAY to risky for a guy who, even with the injuries, crunches minutes and brings stability. Liljegren and a 1st round pick? Now we’re getting somewhere more reasonable.

    I said it before, and I’ll say it again, I won’t look at the non trade of Tanev as some kind of mistake like many around here already seem to do. If the offers are too low or insulting then Benning should say “good luck with what you’ve got” to teams and hang up the phone.

      • truthseeker

        I disagree. He’s still one of the best defensive D men in the league and other GM’s know it. If all Benning gets is an offer like you think, he should hang up the phone.

  • RobG

    I’m not sold on trading Tanev. He is one of the best shut down defensemen in the league that can play 25+ minutes per night and he plays a style of game that is less likely to fade with age provided he stays healthy. As other people have said, guys like him dont grow on trees. I think one reason why people are so open to trading him is because he is the 2nd most valuable trade piece on the team (behind pettersson) but trading him leaves a massive hole on the blue line that cannot be filled internally. So unless there is a young, can’t miss, top 4 defensemen coming back in return then there is no point in trading him.

    • truthseeker

      The only way I would consider doing a one for one trade is if the “young can’t miss” D man has some NHL experience already, because plenty of “can’t miss” young players do exactly that.

      But if a team has a young D guy who’s performing well already at the NHL level they probably wouldn’t trade him. Which is why it’s essential that if it’s a return with no NHL experience it needs to be minimum 2 higher end pieces like top prospect and pick. There is just way too high a failure rate of young players to justify giving up exactly what you said, a 25 minute per night NHL regular. No matter how much time he misses with injury.

      People vastly over rate the value of prospects and picks.

      • canuckfan

        Agree but why trade him for anything less so just keep him. He is more valuable to us at this time than making a trade for the sake of a trade. No team will be offering anything of value at this time so just hang on. A lot of the trades being advocated for Tanev on this board are giving him away for a lot of uncertainties.

  • Copperfinch

    Unless it’s a package that includes a better defenseman, trading away your best D-man on a defence corps this bad makes no sense. None. Just stupid. It’s going to take 3 or 4 years to rebuild this blue line into something respectable and that’s with a little luck. Add another year or two if Tanev is traded. He’s the kind of player all teams are looking for…so why trade him away? Because it’s fun and exciting? He’s not too old to be part of the next good team here. Good defenseman are HARD to bring in.

    • truthseeker

      yep. This board consistently undervalues D men, and over rates prospects and picks. And they consistently under value what guys like Tanev and Edler already provide and will provide over the next few years (if signed obviously). It’s like people don’t even consider the value of NHL games that will be played by whatever person you are considering trading. I really don’t understand that kind of shortsightedness. Totally ignoring a major factor in the decision. And further, it’s like they almost conclude that whatever pick or prospect received is a success in and of itself. For example the people that post about Liljegren for Tanev as if it’s pretty much a guarantee that Liljegren just will be an NHL caliber top 4 D man and that’s what his trade value is equivalent to at the moment.

      Remember when rumor had it that the Pens wouldn’t give up Pouliot in a potential Kesler trade? Exactly what I’m talking about. What a stupid mistake (if true) on their part. Pouliot had proved nothing other than being a Liljegren type prospect, at the time. In fact…he was even more highly considered.

      You’re absolutely right that good D men are nearly impossible to get. Either through the draft or even harder, via trade. You don’t just throw a proven one away for a mere prospect who still can’t crack the leafs D. He may turn out to be a great D man, but right now that’s far from certain. The rest of Tanev’s career and what that brings also has to be weighed against that.

      • canuckfan

        Well said as we bring in younger players like Quinn and Oli and one of the right side prospects our defense will get better learning from Edler and Tanev. As the younger players develop and improve both Edler and Tanev will slip down the lineup and with that our defense core improves. Sign Edler for 2-3 years and Tanev an extension once he is at that point. Better keep assets like them than give them away to improve another team.

      • East van canuck

        “You’re absolutely right that good D men are nearly impossible to get… or even harder, via trade.”

        Karlsson, PK Subban, Shea Webber, Dougie Hamilton, Seth Jones, McDonaugh, Hamonic, Phaneuf, Hanifin, ALL ‘good’ D men traded, but keep flapping your deluded yap here… as it’s all you got.