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WWYDW: Town Hall Mania!
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J.D. Burke
Mar 9, 2016, 11:00 ESTUpdated:
The Canucks are making a concerted effort to connect with their fans in the wake of the iron curtain era of the Mike Gillis regime. Leading the charge are Trevor Linden and Jim Benning, hosting what feel like weekly town hall meetings with season ticket holders. 
Fans are given the floor to ask Canucks management questions and hear their response, in person, on the spot. In theory, it’s a great way to shred the barrier between fan and management. In practice, they’re awkward and a bad look for almost everyone involved.
NHL teams ignore their fans at their own risk, but you don’t want to move into what CFL legend Pinball Clemons called “Paralysis by Analysis.” I see that in Vancouver. If the Canucks lead the league in something, it’s fan forums. There was one last summer, there was one the day Chris Higgins was sent down and there was one last week. There’s another on Tuesday. That is too much. By all means, have a couple of them. Answer questions, explain reasoning, kiss babies. But, every time I read the transcripts, they come across as tense and difficult. It’s not the way an organization should be run, because it poisons the relationship and creates doubt. At some point, you have to stand up and say, “We love your support, we can’t be who we are without it, but we can’t be explaining ourselves every other week.”
This, more or less, sums up my feelings on the event. What’re your thoughts? Would you do away with the town hall meetings in their stead? Would you cut down on the amount? Let your voice be heard.
Last week I asked: What level of faith do you have in the Canucks front office?
JuiceBox:
Since we have no idea what is really going on behind the scenes, since management is under no obligation to justify themselves to the fan base or give us full disclosure on any of their decisions, and since none of us has any experience in managing the day-to-day operations of an NHL team, we as fans need to have a certain degree of blind faith that the management team is making the right decisions. I’m not saying we can’t question what they are doing or voice displeasure when things don’t work out the way we hoped but at the end of the day we don’t have enough information to fully support or completely revolt against the management group.
PB:
I would say that my faith in the Canucks management has been severely shaken by the lack of positive movement at the deadline. I am far from an alarmist and don’t have nearly the problem that others seem to with a number of moves. I think the Kesler, Bieksa and Lack trades were good ones. I think Vey and Baertschi were worth 2nd rounders and Larssen is a good bet at a 5th. I think the Sutter trade was a good one even if I think the resigning was an overpay. Like Dorsett and Sbisa I think they are not outrageous though the timing still strikes me as odd. And like the Miller signing I think these are necessary stopgaps to surround rising talent with enough depth that they don’t get swamped and destroyed a la Edmonton. I like the draft choices, including Virtanen over Ehlers and Nylander.
I get all of that. It seems like there’s an actual strategy at work and a slow and careful plan that focuses on player development, including at Utica.
But what’s unfolded in the last weeks cannot be spun away. I simply cannot see the logic in holding onto expiring assets, alienating an already fragile fanbase, and muddling through the last 20 games of the regular season. What exactly is the plan for these games? Is it to develop the young players further? If so what role do Hamhuis and Vrbata play in this? Hamhuis I get as a potential mentor (but then bring up Pedan to accompany Hutton and ditch Weber, Biega and Bartkowski when Edler’s back) but Vrbata has shown little inclination to act in such a capacity.
It’s not just about the trade deadline itself. There should have been a plan in place for months on how to deal with the two of them — including pumping up their value by playing Vrbata with the Sedins and Hamhuis post-injury in more advantageous situations. Let’s not pretend that the Oilers, Flames or especially the Leafs got what they did because of the actual value of the players they relinquished. Toronto got all those picks back because they were willing to eat up bad contracts in the process. The Oilers sold high on the potential of guys like Schultz and the Flames took advantage of the delusions of teams like Dallas. But every one of them seemed to have a plan in place, which included holding some of their assets out of games to shield them from injury and before that running up their value (e.g. showcasing Hudler who is having arguably as off a year as Vrbata).
And beyond the on-ice product, Vancouver is in a dicey situation with its always fickle fan base. Even if Benning got excoriated for taking a 3rd for Hamhuis and a 7th for Vrbata, is it literally better to nothing? Put it another way, what does 2 months of Vrbata and Hamhuis give us — in terms of wins, player development, entertainment value — that is worth more than even two late round draft picks? Last night’s game was actually entertaining and the Canucks were the better team for the most part and unlucky. But Vrbata didn’t even play due to injury and I thought Hamhuis had his worst game since returning, probably out of a sense that he needed to do more.
What incentive do people have for watching the Canucks play out this stretch? Benning and Linden can be as resigned to the hyper-critical nature of the Canucks audience as they (rightly) have been — but they also need to be aware of some of the moves they need to make publicly to at least give the impression of competence that they seem to not care about. It is absolutely bizarre. The only team that looked to me to be as much of a facepalm as the Canucks were the Blue Jackets this deadline. I don’t think you want to be in that company.
Edaceel:
As a commenter who has been a supporter of management decisions I have to say how disappointe I have been since TDL day. As a Canuck fan since inception this is not the 1st time I have been disappointed nor do I expect it to be the last.
Although I have stated in the past that I am willing to give some leeway for another 2-3 years of this mgmt plan, it has now been reduced substantially. With the draft & free-agency moves in the off-season I expect to see the vision of this team laid out.
I do not expect the mgmt to personally tell us of the plan, I will be able to figure it out by who they draft and who they sign. I would not be opposed to the team entering an offer sheet to an RFA to a cap crunched team like Minnesota for a young RFA defenseman.(Believe that would only cost us a 2nd round pick).
I would like to see another quality forward taken in the 1st round, whether it be the obvious top 3 or the rapidly climbing Pierre-Luc Dubois. With all remaining picks they must go hard after defensemen.
Potentially trading a valuable asset like Hansen or Edler would not hurt my feelings provided we get good return.
With the fall to bottom of standings inevitable, I would hope that the coaching staff will start trying to find chemistry amongst the youth. McCann needs to start playing with at least 1 player with some talent, not plugs like Dorsett & Burrows(who looks like he should be done by end of season).
I was realistic during TDL about Vrbata, if I was a GM looking at players from other teams would I give up anything for a player who does nothing of anything you want come playoff time? I would not have given a bag of used pucks for him.
Without doing some good moves before the start of next season, I too will jump on the fire Benning bandwagon.
Jack Soul:
I’m close to being apathetic enough not to reply to WWYDW….
Then I realized that in itself was showed where mgmt and the Canucks are headed. Too bad.
Francesco Aquillini:
Lol @ JD Burke trying to act educated on this subject.
Another puppet that does not mind dancing for The Godfather.
Ted:
I had a lot of faith in Benning right up until about noon last Monday.
I think Benning could have gotten at least one solid prospect from the Hawks or Dallas and should have. Now we still have Hamhuis and not only is he blocking a younger player but he makes the team more competitive as well. Team tank is in trouble!
The same for Vrbata. He may have returned us a 3rd if dealt and that would be fair. I’d rather see him gone and give his spot to one of the kids.
Canucks will have to keep a few vets (Sedins, Edler, Burr and probably Hansen) and that will help the kids. They should be in rebuild mode and they had a golden opportunity to get a key piece and maybe an extra pick.
It was the first time the Canucks could be true sellers and Benning blew it. I like his drafting but his dealing needs work.
Big D, little d:
Wow. This site went from analytics destination to full 1040 in a big hurry, didn’t it?
How much faith do I have in the Canucks front office? None. It’s a professional sports franchise, it’s not entitled to faith. As someone said, it’s a results league not a try league.
Having said that, I am surprised that on (what used to be) an analytics site there is so much focus on results, and no consideration given to process. Most people here would at least give lip service to the concept that a team can dominate a game and still lose on the scoreboard. Most people here would affirm that the team with better fundamentals will, over time, accrue better results even if short term results are disappointing. However here we are with disappointing short term results and the crowd is gathering with torches and pitchforks. And in the background I see the CA people selling the torches.
Jamie E:
I think it’s OK to feel two things at once:
1) Disappointed that the Canucks were unable to turn expiring UFA contracts into tangible assets like other teams were.
2) Understanding of the fact that no one wanted Vrbata and the “Magnificent Seven” and it was horrible luck that Hamhuis only agreed to go to two teams who both decided to go in a different direction instead of dancing with the Canucks.
In the real world things sometimes go in the opposite direction you would like them too and that doesn’t make you an incompetent bum. In particular, CA had a rather smug assuredness that a hockey man as smart as Jim Nill would value the underlying numbers of a Dan Hamhuis more than Kris Russell. Well he didn’t. So I guess Jim Nill is either really stupid or maybe he disagrees with your assessment. But let’s face it, Dan Hamhuis has had a miserable season by his standards.
My solace in all this is that the importance of what happens at the NHL trade deadline is blown all out of proportion – both for buyers and sellers. We still have the draft, UFA period and a cap that will either stay the same or even drop. Teams with cap space like us may be able to pick the bones of a team like Tampa Bay which is in a real cap pickle.