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Monday Mailbag: Should the Canucks Tank Next Season?

Part of me feels like the current regime just can’t get away with that again without it having a massive effect on their ability to sign future free agents. If changes are coming to the front office I could possibly see it happening but I wouldn’t count on it. I think he’ll be tradeable come July 1st when most of his money will have been paid anyway.

Goldobin just needs to score more. It’s really that simple. He’s not going to be a defensive stalwart, but if he had doubled his goal output by this stage Green wouldn’t be able to justify taking him out of the lineup. He could use to work on his shot, but honestly a lot of this comes down to luck. He’s shot at 6.7% this year and was having some of his worst luck putting the puck in the net and setting up his teammates early in the season when he was playing his best hockey. I think the tough love from Green is mostly a red herring. He needs to be more consistent at putting up offense and with some patience and a fresh start next season he can get there.

To be honest it looks more like he just uses black ink.

Pineapple on pizza is great. It’s literally my favourite pizza topping. I don’t get where the hate comes from or why people think it’s so strange. It’s common to pair fruit with meat and even to pair pork and pineapple. I get that not everyone is going to like every flavour, but its like the people who scoff at Hawaiian pizza have never eaten anything other than boiled chicken for their entire life. (Side note: that sounds like Travis Yost’s dream.)

The Canucks have burned through most of their call-ups, so unfortunately I think what you see is basically what you get until Hughes is ready to go. At this point I can’t see how they could put him with anyone other than Troy Stecher, so I imagine the pairings will look like this:

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The only team that has a real shot at Yzerman is the Detroit Red Wings. The story is that he stepped down to spend more time with his family, who have resided in Detroit for the entirety of his stint with the Tampa Bay Lightning. I generally look at the “be with my family” angle with some skepticism, but when you’ve been in a team’s front office for nearly a decade and that family still lives a three-hour flight away, there might be something to it. With Ken Holland getting older and the Red Wings in the midst of their first honest-to-god rebuild in over a quarter-century, I think the rumour that he could be the next GM has legs; but I highly doubt many other teams have a realistic shot, and the Canucks definitely aren’t among those that may.

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Q definitely seems like a Vegas guy to me. I could see Arizona or Colorado taking up that mantle if one of them can secure that final wildcard spot, but it’s not clear whether or not that’s going to happen. His fandom could actually mean a lot to a small-market team that’s struggling to pack the stands, because Where We Go One, We Go All.

I’m taking the 2011 Canucks if only because the average skill level of an NHL player has increased exponentially since the ’90s. I’ll give the ’94 squad a fighting chance if they’re facing the same beat-up 2011 roster that laced up against the bruins, but if both rosters are healthy I’d take the 2011 team with no hesitation.

I have to take Tampa. They have the strongest roster and the easiest path to the final. I like Winnipeg, Nashville, San Jose, Calgary, and Vegas in the West, but all those teams have questions in net and are likely to face a powerhouse team in at least two out of the first three rounds. Tampa’s been a lock to win the President’s Trophy for weeks, they have a whopping nine players with over 35 points and three players that are above a point-per-game, one of whom has a legitimate shot at putting up the best individual season in nearly 20 years. They also have the solid goaltending that their biggest rivals lack. It seems like every year is their year, but as good as they’ve looked in the past, this the best roster they’ve ever had.

My answer would depend on whether or not you mean the shortlist of likely candidates, or my personal shortlist of ideal candidates. Among the candidates that don’t currently serve as the GM of an NHL team, I think the most likely to end up in Vancouver include Dean Lombardi, Ron Hextall, Norm MacIver, Kelly McCrimmon, Mark Hunter, Mike Futa, and Chris Pronger. I’d add Ken Holland to that list should the Red Wings decide against re-upping on his contract. Among those candidates, I have some time for MacIver and Hextall, and would add Laurence Gilman, Ron Francis, and Steve Yzerman (but that’s not happening) to my list.

It’s still pretty early to speculate, though. There’s sure to be a number of front office changes this summer, and it’s that will increase the number of available potential GMs.; but it’s not even clear yet what the Canucks’ plans are. Some fans seem to think Benning getting axed at the end of the season is foregone conclusion, but I wouldn’t be so sure.

If we’re taking a macro view of things, you could say that the additions of Brock Boeser, Elias Pettersson, and the strong performance of Quinn Hughes at the college level have been enough to save his job. There’s a case to be made that Francesco Aquilini should have cut bait a year or two ago, but I’ll spare our readers re-hashing the arguments for the time being. The fact of the matter is that for whatever reason, rightly or wrongly, Jim Benning went into this season as the team’s GM, and so any discussion of whether the Canucks ought to have gone in a different direction at some point in the past has little bearing on why he’s still the GM. So, to answer this question, it makes sense to only look at the past 6 months or so.

The short answer is that the Canucks were in the playoff battle for most of the season and Elias Pettersson has been the team’s best rookie in over 25 years, so it would have been bad optics to change lanes in the middle of the season. Things have gone downhill in the past month, but honestly, what does firing him now accomplish? They have ten games left, and can re-evaluate in the offseason. If you want to make the case that it should have happened last year or the year before I’m not going to argue with you, but there hasn’t really been any time this season where firing Jim Benning wouldn’t have been bad optics. At this point, waiting until the offseason is completely defensible.

It’s probably the best bet at this stage. They still lack talent beyond the power trio of Boeser, Horvat, and Pettersson, and even with Quinn Hughes on the way things aren’t exactly looking like they’re going to turn around any time soon. The problem is that the team is entering Horvat’s best years and would generally be advised to try to compete while he’s still on a relatively cheap contract and Elias Pettersson and Quinn Hughes are still on their ELCs.

Ideally, they would have intentionally bottomed out, and done so with purpose two or three years ago instead of trying to stay competitive and doing it by accident. Then maybe they’d have a supporting cast capable of providing some depth to complement their young forward core and more than one high-end defensive prospect. Unfortunately, that’s not what happened, and now they risk wasting the peak years of their best players if they continue to languish at the bottom of the standings. The team’s front office has basically let all their veteran assets depreciate to the point where they have little trade value, so they don’t exactly have a ton of bullets in the chamber when it comes to stocking the cupboard through trades, either. They’re stuck between a rock and a hard place, but they only have themselves to blame.

  • Burnabybob

    The 2020 draft is supposed to be quite deep at the forward positions, led by Lafreniere and Byfield. If they can add at least one more good defenseman through this year’s draft, they could be set to finally turn things around in 2020-21. It’s depressing to hear myself say that, but I think it’s realistic. Some luck in the draft lottery could help.

    • Puck Viking

      There is also two high end RHDs at this point. I honestly have no idea how they are going to improve the defense without additional 1st rounders. I have no faith in Benning to acquire an extra 1st this year to grab a RHD which leaves next season and what are the chances of everything coming together for us to get one.

      • Burnabybob

        Some of the top d men in the league, and in Canucks history, have been later round picks. Edler, Bieksa, Girodano, Keith, Subban, to name just a few. And Benning himself has done well with later round picks.

        • Puck Viking

          Yes, but you cant count on later round picks to work out. I am all for acquiring as many picks as possible to have a chance at getting another Gaudette but again zero faith in benning doing just that. Had they done this over the last few years we wouldnt have the holes we do now when trying to take the next step.

    • Braindead Benning

      Then don’t post if you Hate the commentary and posts… You know how stupid and pathetic you look always whining and complaining about a [email protected] FREE SITE.. Why don’t you sign up to apply to CA… You are the ipitimy of retardation…

      • Bucket

        Epitome… if you are too ‘braindead’ to even be in the ballpark of spelling a word correctly, then maybe you shouldn’t use that word in public. Spell check is not an excuse for ‘ipitimy’. You have just tried to apply phonics to a word you have once heard someone else use.

    • PotKettleBlack

      No troll, YOU give it rest, take a hike and show some respect – or do you need another reminder of how much Jackson hates you?…

      “Bud has generally served to make the comment section an unwelcoming place not just for the authors but also for a lot of the commenters as well. ” – Jackson McDonald Associate Editor Canucks Army

      ”the least I could do is remind Bud that CA’s readership is constantly growing and if all he is going to do is be rude to other readers he doesn’t need to come back especially because this isn’t Tim Hortons and I don’t get brownie points for smiling and being polite while someone makes the work area a nuisance to be in for staff + customers. ” – Jackson McDonald Associate Editor Canucks Army

      NOT WANTED HERE DUD… got it?

      • Bucket

        I see Bud is still handing your a$$ to you. You are still losing and Bud is still a legend for getting in your head and making you obsess over him. I wonder how many women have ran away from you when you started going through their phones and quoting old text messages…

        • MattyT

          Chris, Chris Searle… welcome back coward. Tell us, how did it feel when you got outted with your name and address and went into hiding?… you ain’t fooling anyone with your newbie account and obsession with Twitter lil Cwissy lol

          • pheenster01

            Damn, you got me. Pretty obvious when you look at my twitter i guess and it’s the exact same put downs as here – see for yourself, it’s pheenster01on twitter. I am totally obsessed with Botch, JD and Taj.

          • Bucket

            Well I’m clearly fooling you because my name is Mark Rowe and I live in England, although it isn’t hard to fool you. Go on Facebook and verify, my pic is of a Bucket and I live in Preston, England. Anyone else can go verify that too. So now you just look like a paranoid and delusional little whipping boy. Bud Poile’s whipping boy, hahahahaha!

    • TRod

      Totally agree. They just signed JB to a three year contract extension last year, and the team has only improved since then. Everyone expected us to be the worst team in the league this year- now that we’re not, and showing serious signs of future potential, the old MG CanucksArmy crew is on a mission to get JB fired before we make the playoffs next season. Pathetic.

  • Killer Marmot

    The Canucks aren’t going to intentionally tank next season. Benning and probably Green would lose their jobs.

    Furthermore, it don’t know how they could do it. They could trade Tanev and Sutter, I suppose, but that probably wouldn’t be enough to drag the Canucks back down into the cellar.

  • DJ_44

    Some fans seem to think Benning getting axed at the end of the season is foregone conclusion, but I wouldn’t be so sure.

    Really? The Canucks have exceeded expectation, dramatically so if you were or are a CanucksArmy writer. They set their goal as playing meaningful game down the stretch (which they accomplished) and continue to develop their young player.

    With the retirement of the Sedin’s, the team has been carried by the top two lines filled with youth. If they had a powerplay going this year at the league average, they would be in a wildcard spot, plain and simple. They have a prospect pipeline that will continue to produce and a sustainable rate int he future. They have made excellent use of signing quality undrafted free agents (Stecher, MacEwen, Sautner). They have drafted very well. They are rebuilding.

    So they exceeding expectations while everyone around the league thinks their future is bright. But the twitter echo chamber, TSN1040, and CanucksArmy think Benning should lose his job. Got it.

      • Killer Marmot

        The Canucks are on track to finish at around 80 points this year. If they succeed, they will have exceeded the predictions of every pundit preseason prediction I know of.

        And Hockey Reference does not put the Canucks last in scoring chance differential . Chicago and Anaheim are worse. But the statistic is highly flawed, for there is no fixed method for determining what is a scoring chance. It varies from arena to arena.

        • Goon

          I’m curious what you think is not a “highly-flawed” statistic that shows the Canucks in a good light.

          They’re 27th in powerplay percentage, 24th in corsi-for percentage, 29th in scoring chance differential and 28th in high-danger scoring chance differential, 26th in goals scored, 23rd in goal differential, 24th in regulation/overtime wins, and are currently in 23rd place, one point up on Buffalo and Edmonton, which both have a game in hand. Every statistic I can think of with the exception of penalty kill (14th) and goals against (19th) places the Canucks in the bottom-ten in the league.

          Regarding predictions, everything I recall from the start of the season had the Canucks bottom-ten, but *where* in the bottom-ten was highly variable based on which young players took a step forward, how Pettersson performed, and goaltending. They’re probably going to finish around 25th place, which is pretty damn close to where most people pegged them to start the season. The Islanders finishing potentially top of their division when most people had them as a lottery team, or even Montreal possibly squeaking into the playoffs when most had them as a lottery team, qualify as exceeding expectations. Finishing 25th when a pundit pegged you to finish 28th does not.

          • Bucket

            I love this place. A place where everyone wants to tank but hates it when we lose! If we win the cup in 5 games everyone will complain that we didn’t win in 4. Truth is, people just like to use the internet to complain. See Twitter for references…

          • Goon

            Not sure how being frustrated that the team has been garbage for five years straight, and complaining that the team won the cup but didn’t have a perfect record are remotely analogous.

          • Bucket

            That will probably have to do with the fact that I didn’t mention anything about being frustrated with a garbage team for 5 years, hence why you don’t find it analogous.

          • Killer Marmot

            Yes the Canucks are a somewhat below average team and have somewhat below average statistics? What’s your point?

            Regarding predictions, everything I recall from the start of the season had the Canucks bottom-ten, but *where* in the bottom-ten was highly variable based on which young players took a step forward, how Pettersson performed, and goaltending.

            You misremember. Almost every pundit went on about how the Canucks would struggle to replace the Sedins’ offense. Almost every prediction had the Canucks at the bottom of the Pacific division.

    • tempest

      I have been willing to give Benning the benefit of the doubt for most of his tenure, but I have reached the end of my rope. Honestly, there seems to be no real plan. It is true that the drafting has had some success. However, when it comes to the other areas of managing this team, there are too many disappointments for me. The truth is, this team isn’t very good and I really don’t think that is going to change anytime soon.

      At the very least, Benning needs help / oversight with the areas that he seems to be weak at. I was bullish on this team turning the corner in another two years, but I am quickly changing my mind.

      • Killer Marmot

        1. What would a plan look like? Could you give a brief example?
        2. If a manager did have a plan, would he be wise to publicize it?
        3. What areas do you think Benning is weak at?

      • canuckfan

        The Canucks are already ahead of most predictions of what their point total would be at the end of the year. The power play if better next year will win a few more games for them which will translate into more points in the standings. The defense will see changes for the better and couple that with a good number one goalie, Markstrom and a reliable backup will give us a couple more points. Injuries may still hit the Canucks but the team will have a tad more depth which should help them through these times but it will be the power play that will help them through the injuries as well as the goalies. I would like to see another draft (to add to this years draft) where we draft from a lottery position to add more depth then take a run at the playoffs but think next year we may just make the playoffs. Once we have more depth throughout the organization we can make the playoffs and challenge for extra rounds.

    • Nuck16

      Zero chance Benning gets axed. It’s funny, mid-rebuild where there expected to be at the bottom of the standings, then when they do as or better than expected some people expect heads to roll…though usually it’s the media trying to stir the pot.
      The off season strategy will have a lot to do with how well Quinn looks over his 9 game showcase. If he looks great, they may deem the rebuild over and look to sign an impact free agent. If he’s a work in progress then I think they’ll stay the course another year, and the course is to restrict signings to roll/depth players and allow our young offensive core to be the reason we do or don’t make the playoffs.

  • TD

    Of course Tampa is the favourite, but easiest path to the final? Like all 4 top teams, they will get a wild card team in the first round. But they will get the winner of Boston and Toronto in the second round and Washington or Pittsburg in the third round. Not sure how that is the easiest path.

  • Kanuckhotep

    The Canucks were in the playoff hunt for a much longer period of time than expected. They have played a mostly upbeat style throughout 18-19 and have actually been entertaining to watch. This is by a team with not much depth and a leader group who average about 21 years of age. The pundits wrote them off as I did. So for those who slam the VC and Benning I wonder what they were expecting from this year’s team from the get go. The Stanley Cup? They’re better than last year and will be better next year. But let’s not kid ourselves. There is a ton of work to do still but am cautiously hopeful for next year.

  • Holmes

    Benning and co will stay for a while I think. The bible of hockey (Hockey News) has the 21-and-under prospect and player ratings out for each team and the Canucks were third in the league behind the Leafs and Philly. Tough to argue the team is not headed in the right direction…unless you just want to argue

    • canuckfan

      There are a number of prospects who have not played for the Canucks or Utica as they are still in juniors or the college ranks, or outside of the country a couple may turn pro next year and this years draft will not likely have any players make the pros whether it is Utica or Canucks so the depth still has not arrived these prospects are closer meaning it may be another year. I agree the team is heading in the right direction and the games are getting better to watch.

  • Fred-65

    One thing that does seem to be addressed is the JB/TG combo. The Canucks are in a crucial period of their franchise. We either graduate to a top 5 team or drift into mediocrity in the middle of the pack ….. for a long time. Some one needs to explain this to Green this not about you Travis this is about the future of the Canucks for the next 10 year. We need to see more of the spare pieces and a little less of the stars. Why did they even play Tanev, why isn’t Demko in for the remaining games, Sautner and Brisebois should be getting major minutes. Give Stecher and Edler some games off. Even if I’m Mr Aquallini I’m thinking I don’t want to going this route again and again and end up with the worse situation of all a middle of the pack no hopers for season to come

    • Killer Marmot

      Green’s job is to win games and get the team into the playoffs (which they still have an outside chance of doing). If he doesn’t achieve that, he eventually gets fired.

      Giving younger players like Demko a little more ice team right now is not going to do that much for their careers. They’ll get plenty of playing time down the road. It’s certainly not going to make the difference between the Canucks having a successful future or not over the next five years.

  • Dirk22

    It’s hopeless. The Canucks could have the worst record in the league the last four years running, not net any extra picks – in fact have a net negative, not make any trade of significance to put the team in a better position to compete, repeat mistakes at free agency and people would still support management………….oh wait.

  • Adamemnon

    I really don’t understand why a majority of you commenters spend time reading this site. You clearly disagree with the perspective: evidence based statistical analysis that in conjunction with traditional scouting tools seeks to expose the shortcomings of conventional hockey wisdom in an effort to provide more insightful critiques about league trends in general and the direction of the Canucks in particular.

    If all you want is to hear pundits like Don Cherry and Andrew Walker spout the same old cliches about how to win championships, then go somewhere else! This isn’t the place for you! You’re welcome to your opinion, and you’re welcome to voice it here, but in my opinion wading through your negativity directed at bloggers who work hard to provide this analysis on a volunteer basis is beyond pathetic, it’s insulting!

    What I also find insulting is the thick-headed inability of many commenters here to read that writing on the wall, even after Canucks Army bloggers have clearly illustrated in many, many articles. Again, if you disagree with them, maybe this isn’t the place for you. Your obtuse and incessant regurgitating of Canucks management’s party line interferes with those of us who want to engage in intelligent discussion about the future of the team, and the many nuances that are being ignored by Jim Benning’s guileless managerial style.

    Yes, he has drafted well at times. No, that doesn’t make his overall lack of a coherent strategy any more acceptable. In fact, it only sharpens the criticism that he should have been more proactive in stockpiling more picks earlier on in his tenure, instead of trading them away for busts like Sutter and Gudbranson, and signings like Beagle and Eriksson, that just make it harder to stockpile assets, and for the assets that they do have to properly develop into useful roles on the team.

    The simple fact of the matter, is that, as Jackson has outlined above, this team is at best, if all goes as well as could reasonably be expected, headed for a long run of mediocrity — potentially eking out the 6th – 8th seed and then hoping to go on a run and “see what happens.” That’s not a coherent strategy. Yes, sometimes low seeds like the Senators and Flames and Kings go on surprise runs. But even in analyzing those teams’ runs, it becomes clear that building for mediocrity, ie. attempting to compete while your team is clearly not good enough to compete (and making the mistakes listed above, like not stockpiling draft picks while you’re finishing at the bottom of the standings), dooms you to waste the best years of promising players like Pettersson, Horvat and Boeser. Much as we did with the likes of Linden, Bure, McLean, Naslund, Bertuzzi, Jovanovski and Ohlund, etc., etc., etc..

    Many teams do, and are doing this currently. But stack up the Tampa Bay, or Winnipeg, or even Toronto, Nashville or San Jose’s roster with ours, even plugging in the best prospects we have and assuming that they exceed expectations. We’re not even close! Even if you think Horvat, Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes and Demko can match the likes of Stamkos, Kucherov, Point, Hedman and Vasilevsky, or Scheifele, Wheeler, Laine, Byfuglien and Hellebuyck, not to mention Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Rielly and Andersen — what about the depth players? You think Gaudette, Madden, MacEwen, Leivo, add any other prospect, match up even remotely with the bottom six of any of those teams? If so, we need to talk about some great investment opportunities I can connect you with vis a vis bridges and Florida swampland.

    Jim Benning has been a failure. This is hard for many to comprehend because: life is complicated. Not every single thing he’s done has failed. But even though ownership likely has some blame, perhaps even the lion’s share, there’s still no excusing that in terms of building a potential contender — instead of a perennial: “let’s hope we make the playoffs and then anything can happen?” team — his tenure has been nothing short of a bust. Full stop.

    • DogBreath

      Not sure whether to like or trash your commentary. Obviously an honest, well thought out perspective. A great presentation of your thoughts to debate. Nicely done. Wish I had your talent.

      It appears obvious that you’re frustrated with the debate and you see things fairly black and white. In fact these debates are about shades of grey, built around a generally shared goal getting the team better. Personally, I like the constructive debate on this site and wish they’d find a way to block those who just seek to antagonize.

      Having spent a good part of my career working with statisticians, I have more than enough evidence of modeller bias and imperfect models that are used to explain outcomes. Further, my view is the team is the sum of parts that includes different components, some of which are well explained through models. There are some fantastic analysts and writers, and some who rely on stats to explain their opinion, almost to the point of it being religion. These are the analysts I tend to disagree as their analysis is incomplete (and generally presents the same tired, incomplete narrative).

      You should share your views more often. The dialogue on this site would benefit from your perspective.

      • Adamemnon

        I appreciate the response. And yeah, as with most times when I’m frustrated in life you’re right, there is a clear proactive step I could be taking to make things better instead of just whining. I just kinda felt like a good rant I guess, it’s been awhile ; )

        That said, I have no problems with debating shades of grey (I simply happen to believe that we have all the evidence we need concerning Jim Benning’s reign as GM at this point. It’s strange to me how many of Jim Benning’s defenders were the same people calling for Mike Gillis’s head, and on-ice results are incomparable).

        I also appreciate your bringing up cognitive biases, we are all subject to them, even — or especially — the smartest among us. An interesting conversation to have would be getting a little more granular about the shortcomings of some of the statistical models used here. I feel like the writers here would certainly be open to it, they constantly hedge and remind us that these models are not meant to completely replace the eye test, but to augment and complement it. It seems to me they are still so deluged with negative and disingenuous mis-characterizations of their arguments that there is simply no time or energy left to get into more interesting discussions about the particularities of analytical models and styles. Or other more interesting topics, like how important is it really that a D-man play on his natural side? Or is this trend toward smaller players inexorable, or part of a pendulum swing and if so, how and when does it swing back? Or what exactly is the NHL trying to achieve with the current playoff format, and is it working?

        That’s what’s frustrating about the level of discourse in the comments, to me. We could be inspiring more and more interesting articles rather than bickering amongst ourselves about the same crap ad nauseam. There are other places for people who don’t want intelligent analysis, aren’t there?

        The fact that smaller players like Hughes, Keller, Gaudreau, Point, etc., etc., etc., are thriving while the role of the dedicated goon has been completely phased out over, what, less than five years? Along with the success of the Maple Leafs, Predators and Lightning’s management philosophies and ideas like weaponizing cap space and focusing on puck-possession metrics rather than simply counting stats germinated and espoused by sites like Canucks Army being not only valid, but standard practice in the NHL now — proves that the debate about the efficacy of the stats-based analytical hockey philosophy is over. The question is simply how, and how much you integrate it with your old-school tools.

        • DogBreath

          I’ve asked CA several times over the years to dive into the strengths /weaknesses of their models, including aspects of the game that analytics don’t cover well. No word as of yet.

          I continue to believe Benning is the right GM for his phase of the rebuild because this is largely about finding the young core and key support players. His drafting of 18 year olds has largely been effective relative to most others in the nhl. Most of his trades have been mildly effective, a couple of misses, not unlike most nhl gm’s.
          My biggest beef is he’s yet to hit a home run on one of his trades, something he really needs to do to turn this thing around. I’m curious to see what he’s going to do this summer to address the RHD.

          Given the above, some might say I’m a Benning apologist. Honestly, I cringe every time I hear him speak. He’s far from smooth and probably reinforces the notion that they’re not current with leading thinkers in the game. I wonder sometimes if Benning sounded/ looked less country and more city, whether he’d be more appreciated by the base.

    • DJ_44

      Wow. A combination of incoherent ramblings and giant leaps in logic, with a healthy dose “you are disturbing my echo-chamber; this is supposed to be my echo-cahmber — leave”. All capped off by patronizing drivel.

      PQW without the cap-locks.

      • Adamemnon

        Funny, I think this comment characterizes your posts quite succinctly DJ. That’s psychology for you. But if you care to actually point out what in my argument is drivel, incoherent, or a leap in logic we can have a discussion. I wouldn’t want to disturb your echo-chamber, however, so I won’t hold my breath.

        • DJ_44

          You didn’t make an argument: that would require some modicum of fact and intelligence. You expressed an opinion (albeit poorly thoughtout)…. coupled with insulting anyone who disagreed — even questioning why they would be on this site.

          You are PQW —— just with a new keyboard; or someone who figured out have to turn off the cap locks.

    • Bucket

      But maybe we would have conceded 50 more. Who knows, what if’s don’t exist so who cares. I could get all anxious and stressed about it, I suppose, but we would still not have Tkachuk, we would still not have the Stanley Cup and I would just be stressed and anxious over something I could never change. I suppose I could come on Canucks Army and complain about it though, that’s an option.