On the Canucks Interest in Ryan Spooner

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Photo Credit: Brad Rempel

When a Boston Bruin finds themselves on the trade block, you better believe they’re connected to the Vancouver Canucks not long after. Such was the case on Hockey Night in Canada’s Headlines segment with Ryan Spooner.

The Canucks, as an organization, value familiarity. Vancouver’s General Manager and Assistant Manager played a role in drafting and developing within the Bruins organization when they selected Spooner in the 2010 NHL Entry Draft and kept tabs on him for a few years thereafter.

That’s probably where the conversation starts, but far from where it end. If the Canucks are interested in landing Spooner, it can make sense for a number of hockey reasons. Let’s dig in.

The Player

This may come as a surprise, but Spooner is an imperfect player. He’s an excellent playmaking centre who sees the ice exceptionally well. I’d also suggest he’s a better finisher than his paltry even strength goal rate indicates. My primary concern with Spooner is that he’s historically been a net negative contributor to his club’s solvency at even strength.

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I must say, though, that I’m skeptical of just how bad Spooner looks at first glance using underlying shot attempt metrics. The problem with using relative statistics in Spooner’s instance is that you’re juxtaposing Spooner’s linemates performance with Spooner, opposed to Patrice Bergeron and David Krejci.

Line Role Time on Ice Partners Corsi For% Expected Goals For%
Ryan Spooner at Centre 231.2 Jimmy Hayes Matt Beleskey 43.79% 48.76%
Ryan Spooner at Right Wing 202.34 David Krejci Milan Lucic 56.82% 50.51%
Ryan Spooner at Left Wing 105.56 David Krejci David Backes 53.46% 52.39%

Looking at this table, we can posit a number of things. Primarily, it asserts the notion Spooner can’t move the river singlehandedly, though he won’t be the anchor on a competent line looking for secondary scoring. I also tend to weigh the last of those three data sets heavier, given its recency — that’s the line he’s playing on this season. That’s a positive trend.

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Whether Spooner can or can’t contribute positively to his club’s two-way health is a topic for debate, and I think we can at the very least surmise it’s not a strength of his. I don’t think that should get lost in the shuffle, but Spooner’s production is such that we shouldn’t discount the player entirely either.

Spooner’s produced 86 points in 160 NHL games — an average of about 44 points per 82 game season. In this, the second dead puck era, that’s production I’d feel comfortable with associating with a high-end second line player. And that’s looking at Spooner’s totals at its most base levels.

Since making the jump to the NHL in advance of the 2013-14 season, only 33 players with 1000 or more minutes at even strength have produced primary assists at a greater rate than Spooner’s .79 A1/60. Some of that’s percentages. The Bruins are a full two points clear of their expected PDO with Spooner on the ice.

As a team, the Bruins have been exceedingly lucky with Spooner on the ice at even strength. That might explain Spooner’s gaudy assist rate. By the same token, Spooner’s roughly 5% even strength Sh% suggest he’s been unlucky on a personal level. That or he’s just a poor finisher. The sample is such that we’re left wondering.

What Spooner provides as an even strength option down the middle is enticing, but it’s likely his power play prowess that drives the message home at Pat Quinn Way. If the Canucks want to address their second pair, there’s a wealth of evidence to suggest Spooner’s the guy to do it.

From 2013-17, a Bruins power play that’s featured Bergeron, Spooner and Loui Eriksson produces unblocked shot attempts at a rate of 100.5 per sixty minutes. There isn’t a single player with 100 or more 5v4 minutes that’s come within five of that mark in that span.

The Canucks could do a lot worse for a second unit power play anchor. Which says nothing of the fact that a Henrik Sedin, Bo Horvat and Spooner centre set is a trio that might genuinely strike fear into their opponent’s minds and force uncomfortable matchups.

The Cost and Complications

The Bruins are in a conundrum here. One where they just can’t secure anywhere near appropriate value for Spooner. He’s a player that traditional minds are going to see as having one solid season offensively and a history of defensive deficiencies that go as far back as his draft year.

I also wonder if the rest of the league sees Spooner as a centre or a winger. You can’t overcharge for centres to anywhere near the extent defenceman are ransomed, but it’s a premium position all the same.

That obviously plays into the Canucks hands if their interest is sincere. What doesn’t is the expansion draft. That makes this a difficult trade to pull off.

The Bruins legitimately don’t have three defenceman worth protecting, which speaks to their obvious need on the blue line. If the Canucks start this conversation with a resurgent Luca Sbisa or even Erik Gudbranson, that’s fine, but they’ll probably need an expansion eligible defenceman in return.

If that’s Kevan Miller or Adam McQuaid (and I wouldn’t discount the possibility those are players Benning covets, for whatever reason), they’re picking up some bad players with worst contracts that’ll hang from their necks for, at least, the last two seasons. Though contrary that, it could save the Canucks from handing one such albatross extension to Gudbranson, but I digress.

Then one has to wonder what the Canucks will do with their banquet of expansion eligible forwards. They’ve four forwards they can protect and have to decide between Jannik Hansen, Anton Rodin, Markus Granlund, Sven Baertschi and Brandon Sutter.

Vancouver almost has to part with two forwards to bring in one. That doesn’t necessarily mean throwing all their depth at Bruins GM Don Sweeney’s desk and seeing what sticks, but it might mean moving a player further down the road. That’s probably not the worst imaginable fate, but I can’t imagine the Canucks are overly comfortable with the notion.

So What Should the Canucks do?

I love to speculate on roster composition. I’m perhaps a little less comfortable speculating on the exact price. Based on Sweeney’s record with the Bruins, I can see him falling over himself for a player like Gudbranson, and maybe even to a lesser extent Sbisa. Is that enough to get Spooner, though? Probably for the former of those two does it.

Whatever the case, it’s a tonne of trouble for the Canucks. They have most of the leverage, but not all of it. They’d be adding a player that, at the very least, can remain afloat on a second line. That’s huge. But it might cost them a younger player in the expansion draft, and then you have to question what kind of net progress they made in totality.

Spooner’s also entering restricted free agency. I’d think that’s a big reason why the Bruins are shopping him. Getting Spooner under contract shouldn’t bankrupt a franchise, but it’ll be costly. The Bruins blue line doesn’t look like it’ll get appreciably better from internal upgrades, so that means broaching free agency. They enter next off-season with about $11-million in cap space and have to re-sign David Pastrnak.

It’s a complicated question, and not one I’m entirely comfortable with answering confidently. If I’m the Canucks, though, I do my due dilligence and see where a player like Spooner might fit in the long-term structure of the organization and whether it’s worth the short-term cost in assets and the long-term cost financially.

  • apr

    After Bartkowski, pass. Hansen and Rodin will be coming soon, and we can only protect one of Hansen Baertshi, and Granlund. I don’t know how much of an improvement Bartkowski, er Spooner is from those 3. No way Benning trades Gudrandson. And Sbisa looks like a solid 3rd pairing d-man with Tryamkin.

  • chinook

    I’m not skeptical of how bad Spooner looks from his stats, specially the current year, 3 goals and 6 assists in 25 games. And he is small. If Canucks still had Vey, that would be a fair trade.

  • Locust

    Does anyone else find these continual stories on EVERY single player put on waivers and EVERY HNC or Sportsnet rumour to be tiresome?

    If the Canucks took Canucks Army advice we would have a 100% roster turnover by now – lets keep it real.

    BREAKING NEWS: This just in. Dallas Stars replacing toilet paper dispensers in locker room bathroom. Canucks Army suggest Benning acquire them as they would be cheap and cant be any worse that the current toilet paper dispensers…..

    Geez….

    More Vanessa please…..

    • I think an analysis of every player made available is worthwhile, though the Canucks have such specific needs and constraints that most of the conclusion are predictable. Too bad we didn’t claim Paajarvi or Pulkkinen but that’s just my opinion.

    • chinook

      I am OK with the articles for the presentation of a player’s abilities and deficiencies but I’ve become jaded on the conclusion that most guys on another team’s trading block, or on waivers, look pretty good. And that 1/2 the Canucks’ roster is lousy, overrated or overpaid (Sutter, Dorsett, Gudbranson, Skille, Eriksson, …. )

      • I am Ted

        This. There’s a reason most of the guys that were waived have made it to the AHL. Seriously, I know many of you guys are young and dumb but think…just a little…THINK!

  • I am Ted

    Gudbranson for Spooner? I think what little credibility J.D. has just been knocked down another bit. That and the regular assault on the English language and we have another doozy of an article here!

    I don’t mind the rosterbation over guys that come along and are made available. Present the facts and try not to make yourself bad by suggesting Gudbranson for Spooner is something close to resembling a fair trade.

    Also, wouldn’t Spooner need to be protected in the expansion draft? Canucks are in decent shape there but can only protect 2 of Hansen, Sven and Granlund. I’m hoping Benning is looking to deal Hansen for this reason and maybe get a 2nd round pick back. Perhaps Benning could package Hansen + and get a more significant player in return.

    • Andy

      JD’s offer of Gudbranson for Spooner is completely reasonable in his mind as McCann + 33 overall was already considered an overpay by GMJB.

      If the NHL overvalues Gudbranson and the Canucks decided to go about things the ‘Analytics’ way, I hope they’d hold out for another prospect or draft pick.

      But best case scenario, Boston loses enough defends men and gets desperate enough that we can throw a Sbisa, Biega, or Larsen in exchange for Spooner.

  • Steampuck

    Could Spooner be the Morrison to Virtanen’s Bertuzzi?

    We bemoan the absence of a replacement plan for Henrik, but almost more than a legit 1C, we need a playmaking C. For all Horvat’s emerging strengths, he’s not the playmaker the Canucks’ wingers need. Neither is Sutter…

  • Chris the Curmudgeon

    If we acquired Spooner, that would mean that we are either protecting at least 4 centers in the expansion draft, or we are exposing one of Sutter or Spooner at season’s end. While I don’t necessarily think unloading Sutter’s oversized contract would be that negative (i do respect that he brings something to the team, I just think he’s overpaid), you know that Benning will protect him if he’s still in charge, meaning that whatever we gave up for Spooner would be for 3/4 of a season’s worth of him. Unless you’re getting him for cheap, which you wouldn’t, I’d say to pass. Above all, no entry-level or junior aged prospects or draft picks involved, please.

  • Friendly Neighbourhood Canucks fan

    Edler – Tanev
    Hutton – Stecher
    Sbisa – Tryamkin

    I am perfectly fine with this core if we move Gudbranson for a young impact forward. I don’t think Spooner is worth it especially given how public he is being shopped. But given the emergence of Stecher, I do not want to give Gudbranson a multi-year multi-million dollar deal to be a 3rd pairing defenseman so we should entertain any possibilities of adding a skill upgrade

  • Rodeobill

    Even though Gudbranson has not had a great year so far, I’m not ready to give up on him yet, and I DO believe in the intangibles he brings (especially now Dorsett is gone), but not only in the “policeman” sense of security he may bring. I am scared of what he might be expecting from his next contract though, and that may be a similar situation to Spooner’s. I am also not sure if maybe his partner Hutton is having a sophmore slump defensively.

    Part of me thinks… it’s hard to know what Vegas will draft from our team. At the end of the menu, the last couple teams on the list, they probably will be drafting from “what’s left that we need”. We must try to protect who we can, but that shouldn’t stop us from trying to collect players and prospects to find those diamonds in the rough and improving our team. All teams will suffer the loss of one player, can’t change that. Keep doing buisness as usual and who knows, by the time they get to our team, they will be looking for a good penalty killer or an energy 4th line forward?

    Is there somehow a way for us to capitalize on every other team looking to prepare for the expansion, maybe gain 2 or 3 players and loose 1? I don’t know. Talking outta my butt today.