Why are offensive defensemen who are bad at defense considered worse than defensive defensemen who are bad at offense? Risk aversity?
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Canucks Army Monday Mailbag: August 7th – Part Deux
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By J.D. Burke
Aug 7, 2017, 19:00 EDTUpdated: Aug 7, 2017, 16:51 EDT
Coaches, in general, are some of the most risk averse humans on the planet. Whether the decision to hold offensive defenceman who struggle with defence in a lesser regard than defensive defenceman who contribute nothing offensively makes sense or not, they’re almost destined to lean towards the latter of the two options.
A big part of it, from the perspective of most coaches, is that it’s likely far easier to shelter a player who can’t contribute offensively from the back end than it is one who can’t defend. If there’s an icing and the offensive defenceman happens to be caught on the ice for it, there’s nothing the coach can do to remedy the situation.
Why are defensemen who dont contribute anything offensively labeled as defensive defenseman despite their numbers showing they suck at D too
This is a great expansion on the question Jyrki asked, and I like it.
One of the biggest hurdles for talent evaluators is finding out how they evaluate a player as strong defensively. The inputs that would make one defender so valuable to one segment of talent evaluators are often classified as liabilities by others in that same role. Think about the Kris Russel debate, for one example.
It’s easy to point to a player’s point totals and believe you’re getting a reliable approximation of their offensive contributions. Whether that’s thorough or not, there’s some level of consensus. You can’t say the same of how a player contributes to their team’s solvency in the defensive zone. I know what I value, but I’m willing to bet it strays from your average NHL coach or general manager covets.
When do the prospect profiles countdown start?
It shouldn’t be too much longer. It’s that time of the year, right?
brandon Sutter has bad analytics but Isint he actually kinda not good intangible wise either ("goldobin balls" comment, calling Sedins girls
Well, in the interest of fairness, Brandon Sutter was the Canucks most valuable player through the lens of GAR (Goals Above Replacement). I’ve many thoughts on that, but Jeremy Davis’ article on Sutter near the end of the season does an excellent job of explaining why that ranking is inflated, so I’ll leave it at that.
As for Sutter’s intangibles, I don’t generally get carried away in making that a part of my analysis or even something I focus on with much intent. Character is one of the most transient attributes in the entire sport. Ryan Kesler was a hero in Vancouver and a great locker room guy, until all of the sudden he wasn’t. That’s one example of “character” being a fleeting attribute, but I’m sure I could come up with many more if pressed. Besides, it’s highly subjective too.
In a vacuum, I thought Sutter’s comments about Nikolay Goldobin’s balls were in poor taste. I don’t recall anything about Sutter calling the Sedins women, and I’m not going to go out of my way to search it out, but if he did use that language then shame on him. That would be a pretty ugly and consistent theme of casual sexism, were that the case.
I think GAR is a game-changing metric. I love its utility as a starting point, but I tend to use it as just that. It points me in the direction of players who might not otherwise register on my radar, and then I look at what’s under the hood to see if it all checks out.
There isn’t another stat, which I’m aware of, that shows Sutter’s “true value”. As a rule, I don’t think any one singular stat could ever accomplish that with any accuracy either.
I have no clue what’s going on with Jake Virtanen’s weight, and I don’t particularly care. The most difficult part of his summer regimen is on the way anyways with training camp. Honestly, props to Virtanen for taking part in the Pride Parade. That’s all I care about with this new set of photos.
I’d hit up one of Ryan Biech or Jeremy Davis. They’ve got all the summer hockey scoops. And Biech has the .gifs too!
Which Canuck prospect impressed you the most during the WJH Showcase?
*shoulder shrug emoji*
What do you think the Canucks lineup should be? I would like to see Boeser Granlund and Boucher have a go. All can pass and shoot.
I feel like I’ve answered this question at least three or four times already this summer, but I’ll humour you all the same with my version for August 7th.
D. Sedin – H. Sedin – Eriksson
Baertschi – Horvat – Boeser
Goldobin – Gagner – Granlund
Gaunce – Burmistrov – Sutter
Edler – Stecher
Del Zotto – Tanev
Juolevi – Gudbranson
Nilsson
Markstrom
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