Canucks Army Roundtable: Summer Tan
7 years ago
It’s been a hot topic in the Canucks world for past few days, of what the Canucks should do with Chris Tanev. He’s a stud defenceman, and that can get you a lot on the market. However, it’s also the type of player the Canucks have been looking for, for years. With that in mind, this week’s roundtable focuses on this topic after the jump.
Question: Should the Canucks trade Chris Tanev, and if so what would you be comfortable with in return?
Jeff Veillette
Frank Corrado and a 7th
Grainne Downey
Taylor Hall
Dylan Kirkby
There’s no way that Benning values Tanev at anywhere near his true value. If he trades Tanev, he’s going to get scammed. Tanev
is comfortably a first pairing defenceman, and I wouldn’t be
comfortable with a return less than a first and a mid to high end
prospect. Should the Canucks trade him? Only for picks/prospects,
and only if they’re ready to commit to the rebuild. That’s clearly not
the case, so trading Tanev would almost certainly just make this team
worse. In short, I love Tanev. Please don’t trade him.
is comfortably a first pairing defenceman, and I wouldn’t be
comfortable with a return less than a first and a mid to high end
prospect. Should the Canucks trade him? Only for picks/prospects,
and only if they’re ready to commit to the rebuild. That’s clearly not
the case, so trading Tanev would almost certainly just make this team
worse. In short, I love Tanev. Please don’t trade him.
Jackson McDonald
So, the obvious answer is to just say that
there’s no way in hell the team should trade Chris Tanev. He’s the rare
creature that is loved by both analytics and the eye-test alike. He’s
also, by my estimation, the league’s best “defensive defenceman”, and
perhaps one of the only such defenders who deserves to have that label
attached to him.That
being said, you’re not doing your job as a general manager if you
aren’t listening to every offer. If Tanev helps you land a future #1
centre, that’s a deal you make. If he helps you land a possible #1
offensive defenceman, you take that deal too. Trading so about
maximizing a player’s value. If Tanev is worth more to a contender than
he is to the Canucks, so be it.So
much of my opinion on the trade/FA market is based on perception of
value vs. actual value. The Nashville Predators were on the right end of
this battle when they managed to land PK Subban for Shea Weber. I don’t
expect the Canucks under Jim Benning to be able to pull of that kind of
highway robbery. How
much do other teams value a defender like Chris Tanev? My gut tells me
the answer is “not as much as they should.” His defensive impact is,
without a doubt, among the top defenders in the league. The catch is
that his game isn’t particularly physical, so he doesn’t necessarily
have the skill set that an old-school GM would covet. What
scares me about trading Chris Tanev is that the kind of GM that is
trying to land him is also probably the kind of GM that could pull off a
highway robbery. If I’m Jim Benning, Tanev is a virtual untouchable in
this lineup, due to his age and defensive value. Unless you’re
absolutely knocking me out with this deal, I’m erring on the side of
caution and retaining Tanev for as long as I possibly can.
there’s no way in hell the team should trade Chris Tanev. He’s the rare
creature that is loved by both analytics and the eye-test alike. He’s
also, by my estimation, the league’s best “defensive defenceman”, and
perhaps one of the only such defenders who deserves to have that label
attached to him.That
being said, you’re not doing your job as a general manager if you
aren’t listening to every offer. If Tanev helps you land a future #1
centre, that’s a deal you make. If he helps you land a possible #1
offensive defenceman, you take that deal too. Trading so about
maximizing a player’s value. If Tanev is worth more to a contender than
he is to the Canucks, so be it.So
much of my opinion on the trade/FA market is based on perception of
value vs. actual value. The Nashville Predators were on the right end of
this battle when they managed to land PK Subban for Shea Weber. I don’t
expect the Canucks under Jim Benning to be able to pull of that kind of
highway robbery. How
much do other teams value a defender like Chris Tanev? My gut tells me
the answer is “not as much as they should.” His defensive impact is,
without a doubt, among the top defenders in the league. The catch is
that his game isn’t particularly physical, so he doesn’t necessarily
have the skill set that an old-school GM would covet. What
scares me about trading Chris Tanev is that the kind of GM that is
trying to land him is also probably the kind of GM that could pull off a
highway robbery. If I’m Jim Benning, Tanev is a virtual untouchable in
this lineup, due to his age and defensive value. Unless you’re
absolutely knocking me out with this deal, I’m erring on the side of
caution and retaining Tanev for as long as I possibly can.
Tyler Horsfall
For a team that is truly determined to make
the playoffs this season, trading away Chris Tanev likely be a big
mistake. There are very few instances where you could justify trading
Tanev will improve the Canucks’ chances of making the playoffs. There
are only three cases where trading Tanev is a justifiable option if the
Canucks are in win-now mode. The first being if they can get a
superstar forward in their mid 20s for Tanev. However, if they trade
Tanev for a forward it leaves a massive void in the back end that will
not be filled with a player of Tanev’s quality. The
second case would be if they can upgrade Tanev to a better blue liner.
As others have mentioned, the problem with this is Chris Tanev is one of
the league’s best defensive defenceman. Upgrading to a better blue
liner will cost a lot of assets that the Canucks likely cannot afford to
give up, and even then there’s a good chance that Tanev is better for
the team because of his great contract and the team’s cap situation. The
third case where it is justifiable to trade Tanev is if the Canucks can
get a player that will provide similar value as Tanev does along with
additional value (whether it be picks, prospects, or even cap space). All
of the above seem extremely unlikely, although we did see Adam Larsson
fetch Taylor Hall and if Tanev could bring a player similar to Hall then
it could be a worthy transaction. Another
thing worth looking at is the looming expansion draft, as you can
either protect seven forwards, three defencemen, and a goalie or eight
skaters and a goalie. The Canucks, as it stands right now, would likely
be protecting Edler, Tanev, and Gudbranson in the upcoming expansion
draft. There currently are no other Canuck blue liners outside of those
three who are eligible for the draft that are worth protecting. So,
there is no reason to trade Tanev for expansion draft sakes.At
the end of the day, there are very few situations where I would say yes
to trading Chris Tanev. I could get behind a Gabriel Landeskog for
Tanev deal, but the odds of Landeskog or a similar player actually being
available are slim.
the playoffs this season, trading away Chris Tanev likely be a big
mistake. There are very few instances where you could justify trading
Tanev will improve the Canucks’ chances of making the playoffs. There
are only three cases where trading Tanev is a justifiable option if the
Canucks are in win-now mode. The first being if they can get a
superstar forward in their mid 20s for Tanev. However, if they trade
Tanev for a forward it leaves a massive void in the back end that will
not be filled with a player of Tanev’s quality. The
second case would be if they can upgrade Tanev to a better blue liner.
As others have mentioned, the problem with this is Chris Tanev is one of
the league’s best defensive defenceman. Upgrading to a better blue
liner will cost a lot of assets that the Canucks likely cannot afford to
give up, and even then there’s a good chance that Tanev is better for
the team because of his great contract and the team’s cap situation. The
third case where it is justifiable to trade Tanev is if the Canucks can
get a player that will provide similar value as Tanev does along with
additional value (whether it be picks, prospects, or even cap space). All
of the above seem extremely unlikely, although we did see Adam Larsson
fetch Taylor Hall and if Tanev could bring a player similar to Hall then
it could be a worthy transaction. Another
thing worth looking at is the looming expansion draft, as you can
either protect seven forwards, three defencemen, and a goalie or eight
skaters and a goalie. The Canucks, as it stands right now, would likely
be protecting Edler, Tanev, and Gudbranson in the upcoming expansion
draft. There currently are no other Canuck blue liners outside of those
three who are eligible for the draft that are worth protecting. So,
there is no reason to trade Tanev for expansion draft sakes.At
the end of the day, there are very few situations where I would say yes
to trading Chris Tanev. I could get behind a Gabriel Landeskog for
Tanev deal, but the odds of Landeskog or a similar player actually being
available are slim.
Matthew Henderson
I happen to be a huge fan of Tanev’s game, and he provides something the Canucks have always been on the lookout for on the back-end. He’s a premier defender in the game, and on a winning team could potentially be a Norris Trophy candidate. If they do it would have to be a Landeskog-esque player in return. I understand the appeal of dealing him now for a stud forward, but I think the upside is too big to let him leave the city.
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