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Canucks luck strikes again: Vancouver with pick 10th overall

The NHL Entry Draft lottery happened earlier this evening and the balls didn’t fall in the Canucks favour once again.

Entering the evening, the organization with the 9th best odds to win the first lottery

From that breakdown, the Canucks had the following odds at each spot:

This year the Canucks have a 16% chance of landing a top 3 pick; 5% at 1st, 5.3% at 2nd and 5.7% of 3rd. The best odds, however, have Vancouver picking either 9th (48.8%) or 10th (30.7%).

Ultimately, the Canucks ended with their second most probable outcome falling one spot to 10th overall after the Chicago Blackhawks won the lottery for the 3rd overall selection and leapfrogged the Canucks, and many other teams, in the process. The New Jersey Devils won the right to select first overall for the second time in three years and the New York Rangers landed in 2nd.

Obviously, it’s a disappointing outcome for fans as they hoped that the organization would be able to unite Quinn Hughes with expected first overall pick Jack Hughes but everyone knew that the outcome wouldn’t go the organization’s way after years of also missing out.

It will be interesting to see where the organization will go with this selection, will they go the route of adding a scoring winger, a centre, or maybe slightly reach to add a defenceman. With two months to go before the draft, there will be plenty of time to dissect and break down who the Canucks with select with their first-round pick.

This was one of the most probable outcomes but fans can’t help but still feel disappointed.

  • Gino über alles

    While this is completely unsurprising for Canucks Nation all is not lost, there are still some great players available in the top 10 and, like every year, someone is bound to drop down. I have a lot of faith in the scouts and the job they’ve done lately with the draft and we’ll come out with a couple of solid players this year.

  • wjohn1925

    At least it wasn’t the Oilers or the Avalanche (via Ottawa). I can hear Benning’s take already, “We’ll get a very good player at #10”. By the way, I hear Theresa May is soon to be available at #10.

  • Gino's 3rd Cousin

    Currently in the 10 slot I like Thomas Harley, Arthur Kaliyev or Matthew Boldy. Here’s hoping Benning and staff can find another slightly hidden gem.

  • NeverWas

    I know it’s not going to happen but I would love the canucks to try something sexy like move Hutton next years 2nd for the an extra first this year or something like that. Or try to move up for hughes some way. Would be cool to see in vancouver.

    • canuckfan

      To move up for Hughes would likely cost Pettersson or Brock so no way. I would not trade Hutton either because won’t get a top 3 pick for him so too much of a gamble to trade a player you know about for a we hope they work out and won’t be in the lineup for a couple years.

  • Goon

    Benning’s batting 1000 with his picks outside the top 6 (Hughes, Boeser, and McCann) and has wiffed multiple times with a top-six pick, so maybe this is a blessing in disguise.

  • canuckfan

    I am not sad the lottery is a gimmick one that makes no sense of why it is done the way it is. Canucks will get a good player but may take a year or two before they make the lineup but still a good player.

  • Puck Viking

    At 10 we will be walking away with Zegras, Krebs or Boldy all will be top 6 forwards but I dont expect anything outstanding. Krebs will be interesting at the U18s as his team was a disaster so tough to get a read on him.

    Outside possibility we reach a couple spots and go for need and take Soderstrom but I just dont see it. U18s will be very interesting.

    I was really hoping for a top 6 pick and was hoping for Byram or Turcotte but maybe we get lucky next year…

  • B_Rad77

    So frustrating seeing these futile late season pushes that always fall short, and drop us draft spots. We might have actually slotted in the Rangers spot, or be primed to pick up Byram

    • Rayman

      yeah. Tell that to JB and Green, man.
      They will BS you with winning culture and how they want to end the season with high note, etc…

      However, we could START the next season with high note if we could get the top 3 picks…then again, who am I kidding with? We are talking about JB’s Canucks.

    • DJ_44

      Or we could have won against LA, Nashville and picked where Chicago sits in third . — primed for Byram as you say.

      It’s a lottery; luck is worth five to 10 times anything else.

  • Rayman

    Nothing new here.
    If only we THREW AWAY last 4 meanningless games, we could pick as high as 4 or 5. or even 3. I mean, was it so HRAD to lose some games at the end of rebuilding season?

    Instead of someone we can use right away, we’ll get another so so guy who we may see in 2 to 3 years.

    So, so sad….

    • Ken Priestlay Fan

      Or if they’d been slightly better they could have been in the Blackhawks slot and moved up to third. The lottery system is terrible, but it is what it is

      • TheRealPB

        “I just believe that’s the only way it works is you’ve got to try to win the games,” GM Stan Bowman said. “I never believed in trying to lose games. I’ve said that before, and honestly, our guys want to win. And we owe it to our fans to try and win as many games as we can. Athletes are competitive. We pushed our team all year. Don’t try to worry about the draft, those things have a way of working themselves out. Obviously I didn’t know it work out this way. … There’s no question that we’re in a different category now picking in the Top 3. It’s sort of poetic justice that it worked out that way.”

      • If the NHL doesn’t significantly modify how the lottery works, the least they could do is put a cap on how far a team can move up. I would go so far as to calculate odds of winning and maximum upgrade based on point differentials rather than initial draft spot.

          • Putting a cap on how far a team can move up prevents upsets that robs legitimately poor teams from getting good players. You’re right, it doesn’t solve tanking but that isn’t the point.

            That’s why I support ideas like the Gold Plan. It aligns draft results with the competitive nature of players and coaches. You play hard until you are eliminated and then you continue to compete to accumulate points that can help you upgrade your draft position. However, this would be an example of a significant modification, something that the NHL hasn’t appeared willing to do.

  • Kanuckhotep

    Nothing new here for the Canucks tonight. Usually anyone drafted outside of the first half dozen prospects do not impact their clubs immediately and will have to wait 1 to 3 years to see if these young guns come as advertised. Besides one can never truly assess a particular draft year until several years down the road. The VC have been there before and are there again. I say: draft the best athlete available and not by position. They’ll still get a good player.

  • Burnabybob

    Benning and his scouting staff will really need to earn their money this year. It’s easy to draft well when you’re picking in the top 5, or when someone like Quinn Hughes falls into your lap.

    It will be interesting to see who the #10 pick is according to the prospect rankings. Broberg or Soderstrom might be good picks to help bolster their defense, especially as next year’s draft heavy with forwards, at least at the top end.

  • Break The Canuck's Curse

    Living up to my name today…

    Was it at least televised or do we still have to live under the cloud of this being yet another ‘questionable call by the officials’?

  • Burnabybob

    It’s worth pointing out that the dominant teams over the past several years – Pittsburgh, Chicago, LA – have all had at least one key player taken in the top three of the draft. Pittsburgh and Chicago have had more than one. The best Canuck teams of the past were also built around top draft picks – the 1994 team with Linden and the return from the Nedved trade, and the most recent Canuck finalists built around the Sedins.

    Given that, it’s another reminder to go easy on Benning. He’s done pretty well given what he’s had to work with, and that the NHL changed the draft lottery just as the team was entering its rebuild years. It would be tremendously helpful to the team’s rebuilt efforts if they eventually got a break in the lottery. Until they do, it’s probably going to be a slog.

    • Dirk22

      It’s also going to be his 5th top-10 pick in 6 years which is an unprecedented amount of draft capital in Canuck history. I wouldn’t feel too sorry for him.

      • canuckfan

        Hughes is the only player they have drafted who made the team the year after they had been drafted. Last years picks will see a couple more enter the system but others will still be in College or University such as Woo and Maden. Building through the draft has a lag time because most of the players drafted don’t join their team for at least a year and the later rounds are two to three years out. We will get a good player in the 10th spot who will replace one of the veterans in 2 years. Be nice to see Woo put in a good summer of training and make the team. If he ends up just being short of making the team to you keep him as the spare where he can train and practice with the team or do you send him back to junior, or is he eligible to go play in AHL.
        Once all of the draft picks from last years and previous years draft classes have joined the Canucks they would have added depth. Right now they are still signing players in Utica to playing contracts when they get hit with injuries as there is no one in their system that can step up.

      • TheRealPB

        The Canucks picked between 4-10 every year between 1977-1986 and again between 1988-1991, 14/15 years. Again 1997-1999. I’m not sure what Benning has had available at the draft is ‘unprecedented draft capital’; I would say that he’s done more with it than some of our past GMs — I think that’s probably why I tend to give a bit more leeway at some of the whiffs like Virtanen and Juolevi, because I remember what it’s like to draft the Stojanovs, Polaseks, Woodleys and Herters.

        • Beer Can Boyd

          Unlike most on this page, I’m not ready to call Jake and Juololevi “whiffs” quite yet. Virtanen is 22 and had easily his best season, and Juoloevi is just about to turn 21, and has yet to play a full season due to injuries. Seems a bit early to be writing them off.

          • DogBreath

            I’m with you, but man, they’re leaving it kinda late to make a significant difference. In the next year, Virtanen needs to be a consistent all around player who plays a physical game and nets 15-20 goals. He should be getting at least third line minutes and a legitimate option for second line minutes. Joulevi will start in Utica. He had a good start this year before injury. Next year he needs to establish himself early as a top pairing D who gets 20+ NHL games and establishes himself as an NHL top 6 in 2020.

            Only then will both be considered marginal successes.

        • Dirk22

          If I wanted to look at it from a franchise point of view I would have included the Horvat pick to make it 6 out of 7 years. I’m obviously talking about a single GM and his draft capital.

          There were three different GM’s at the helm between the ‘77 and ‘86 drafts – Milford, Neale and Gordon. 1988-1991 was all Quinn but that’s 4 seasons which by my math is less than 5. 97-99 again is 3 seasons (and 2 GM’s – Keenan and Burke).

          So as I said, (a GM) having 5 of 6 drafts with top-10 picks is unprecedented in Canuck history.

          Also our measurement for how he’s done with these picks should be done against his current peers – not the organization whose drafting is notoriously poor. Have some standards.

    • While we’re not winning draft lotteries, our core is comprised of players who would be taken higher in redrafts. Horvat (to Gillis’s credit) would have been drafted #6 instead of #9 according to NHL.com. Pettersson would have been #4 according to the thehockeynews.com (though the buzz is that our presumptive Calder trophy winner is the best player of the draft), Boeser would have been #5 according to realsport101.com. Hughes would have been #5 as per Dobbers. Demko becomes a 1st round pick (#30) instead of 2nd rounder as per wheelhousehockey.com. thehockeynews.com has Juolevi fall to #13 while McCann and Virtanen fall to #27 and #29 as per wheelhousehockey.com but all 3 are still considered 1st round picks.

      No GM is perfect and Benning hasn’t struck out on any 1st round picks yet. The fact that he has been quoted as looking for another scoring forward for several years now and is in a spot where several highly touted, high-scoring C or C/W are the BPA, we’re in a very good spot.

  • Doodly Doot

    Lucky 10! It’s not guaranteed, but there is a decent chance they get either of Broberg (my fave) or Soderstrom (my other fave). Go for D Jim! If you want forwards, target europe, NCAA and the disgruntled-youth bargain bin. Damn I want Broberg.

    • Doodly Doot

      Just discovered that Craig Button has my two D faves going at #9 and #10 (Byram was never an option). Hughes fell to us last year. Have faith everyone!

      Next year the team will begin it’s likely four-year steady but slow ascension up the rankings, battling for and making the playoffs. We should get used to picking in the bottom half of the 1st round from now on… hopefully.

      • Burnabybob

        I just pray that they pull a Chicago and get a high draft pick next season after barely missing the playoffs. Soderstrom in the first round this year, and Lafreniere or Byfield in the first round next year.

    • I’m more inclined to pick Soderstrom over Broberg. Soderstrom is a RHD, plays in the better league, and has been lauded for hockey IQ, skating, and physicality (despite his average frame). Broberg is bigger but is a LHD, plays in an inferior league and scouting reports don’t seem to indicate that he has the same level of hockey IQ, skating, and physicality as Soderstrom. Even though Broberg is ranked higher, based on what I have read, I get the impression that Soderstrom is the better player.

      • Burnabybob

        I still wouldn’t be surprised if the Canucks pick a forward in the first round. They need help scoring goals just as much, if not more than they need help on defense.

      • Beer Can Boyd

        “An uber competitive two-way defenceman that thinks the game at the highest level, Victor Söderström is the complete package. A naturally gifted skater, his ability to traverse all three zones is best described as smooth and effortless. He never looks disinterested and it’s always apparent just how badly he wants to win. His vision and awareness is outstanding, allowing him to play a responsible yet dynamic brand of hockey. He’s a dangerous puck-carrier with a great shot. Defensively, he makes good decisions quickly and consistently, never looking out of place when pitted up against the other team’s top players. He pressures the opposition and limits options, never getting in the way of his goalie. All-in-all, Söderström’s competitive instincts allow him to take full advantage of his offensive ability and defensive prowess. He’s a game-changer.” For a team hugely deficient in right shot d-men, this certainly seems like the obvious choice.

        • Norwhereman

          what about:
          hilip Broberg – NHL Draft Projection

          Broberg has the potential to be the second defenseman taken in the draft and will likely be one of the top-five defenders. His skating is his biggest asset and he has the potential to really round out his game. Bowen Byram is likely the first defender taken, while Victor Söderström and Cam York may challenge Broberg for the next couple of picks. Broberg should be a top-15 pick, possibly even top-10, in the 2019 NHL Entry Draft. I have him going 11th.

          • Some posters at HFBoards seem to think that Broberg is overrated due to his performance at the Hlinka tournament. Their opinion is that his skating is overrated because in junior he had a tendency to skate the puck out rather than find an exit pass like Soderstrom, giving the impression that he’s an offensive defenceman. They also observed that Broberg is struggling in Allsvenskan because his skating is very linear and the lack of edgework means that his breakouts in junior are not translating well at the higher levels.

            Scouting reports that compare Broberg and Soderstrom’s slapshots seem to indicate that Broberg is hard but inaccurate and unable to get through traffic. Soderstrom’s slapshot is weaker but he can find seams to get the puck through.

            Personally, I would avoid Broberg because we’ve already done the “physical tools with low hockey IQ” thing with Virtanen. size + HOCKEY IQ > SIZE + hockey iq.

      • j2daff

        I see Broberg as a guy I’d be afraid to pick and a guy I’d be afraid not to pick. His scouting is all over the place, biggest concern being hockey sense. His game does not seem complete but he does seem to have a presence on the ice that a lot of players don’t. He could end up being the Virtanen if RHD or he could be a better skating OEL. Not a true boom or bust but a definite gamble.

        Admittedly I am a lot less familiar with Soderstrom but he does not give me the impression that he will be a star, more of a 3-4 dman, but he is right handed. Probably a higher floor lower ceiling pick, which is not my style and not a successful strategy based on my observations but again I am not as familiar with him.

        Depending on which forwards drop there is some real consideration there. I’d predict that, Hughes, Kacko, Cozins, Dach, Podkozin, Byram and Turcotte go in the top 8 so that leaves us with 2 of Boldy, Zegras and Krebs as considerations. This team needs scoring as well as deference but I’d bet we add a RHD this off-season which might make it less of a need going forward.

        Aside from the 13 players here I would not consider anyone else at 10. IN GMJB’s place my preference would be one of the forwards if my scouts believed one would turn into a play driving top line player, that is unless they convinced me that Broberg was OEL.

  • Tedchinook

    The only philosophy to adopt for the Canucks and the draft lottery is: expect the worst and you’ll never be disappointed. Apparently they could have fallen as far as 12th so 10th is a win.

  • Nuck16

    Trading up to the 1 or 2 pick would obviously be a challenge but I give even odds to us trading up in this draft somewhere
    into the 3 to 6 range, mostly because the draft is in Vancouver