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New York Rangers vs Vancouver Canucks Post Game Recap

The Rundown

Quintin Hughes finally arrived in Vancouver yesterday, but unfortunately for the fans that went to the game tonight, he didn’t make his NHL debut. However, on Hockey Is For Everyone night, fans found out Loui Eriksson was scratched for the first time as a member of the Vancouver Canucks as the boys got set to take on the New York Rangers. Markus Granlund slotted back in on the 4th line in Eriksson’s usual spot, and Chris Tanev returned to the lineup as well after missing the last 11 games. That wasn’t the only change on defense, as Derrick Pouliot was scratched in favor of Guillaume Brisebois.

Jakob Markstrom got the start in net as he tried to rebound after getting pulled for the first time all season in his last start. The full lineup for the Canucks tonight went like this.

The Canucks also came into tonight having played the last 6 games without ever holding the lead… A streak they looked to break as they attempted to bounce back from a terrible performance against the Vegas Golden Knights in their own building.

1st Period

The first whistle of the game happened quickly, as just 7 seconds in Antoine Roussel was hit up high by the stick of Tony DeAngelo. The Canucks power-play was still without Hughes, but they had a great opportunity early in the game to take an early lead.

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but the Canucks power-play remained awful, and aside from one shot by Alex Edler, never really set up at all. Looked like 2 empty minutes of hockey before the game returned to 5 on 5. 

The Rangers dominated possession for the next few minutes, but it was the Canucks who got the next quality scoring chance around the 5-minute mark. After a stretch pass just missed Brock Boeser, the puck came to Josh Leivo who took a harmless shot on goal. Henrik Lundqvist made the first stop and was forced to make a tough second stop on Adam Gaudette who nearly stuffed home the rebound.

Gaudette kept up his strong first period, and around the 9-minute mark he skated into the Rangers zone, made a nice toe drag to free up some space and took a nice shot towards Lundqvist, but Lundqvist was there to make the save.

A minute later, Roussell made an awful pass through the middle of the Canucks zone that was intercepted by Chris Kreider, but Markstrom was there to bail out his teammate. After the game Markstrom had versus the Knights, it was nice to see him come up big with the point-blank stop.

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The game didn’t get much better for the Canucks, as they were absolutely dominated territorially for the next 5 minutes, and they really struggled with their breakouts throughout the first period.

The Canucks got their best chance of the period around the 18:30 mark of the frame. Ashton Sautner came down the left wing and put a harmless shot on goal that Lundqvist stopped easily. The rebound popped right out in front and was picked up by Tyler Motte who tried to go around the goaltender and stuff it home. Unfortunately, he just missed and hit the side of the goal.

The period came to a close with the score tied at 0. The Canucks looked pretty brutal for the first 15 minutes of the period but had a couple of nice flash in the pan scoring chances throughout. If they could fix their breakout, and get the puck up to their forwards better throughout the remaining 40 minutes, they stood a much better chance.

2nd Period

The 2nd period started off slow for both teams, as a Boeser shot was the only one through the first 4 minutes of play for either side.

A terrible scene for Canucks fan followed 30 seconds later, as Elias Pettersson got hit in the jaw by a spinning elbow from Kreider. Kreider was given a 5-minute major penalty for elbowing, and the Canucks went to their 2nd power-play of the game.

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A minute into the power-play and the Canucks nearly opened the scoring. Gaudette continued his strong game and made a great pass into the middle to a streaking Tanner Pearson. Pearson tried to snipe one past Lundqvist, but Lundqvist kicked the shot to the side and kept the game scoreless.

Another minute after the Pearson chance and the Canucks took the lead for the first time in 7 games. Leivo received a feed from Bo Horvat and promptly made a beautiful no-look pass to Boeser who was sitting right on the left face-off dot. Boeser made no mistake, and ripped it over the shoulder of Lundqvist to give the Canucks the lead 6 minutes in.

A few minutes later, and still on the power-play the Canucks nearly gave up their lead after another brutal turnover in their own end. This time, it was Troy Stecher with the errant pass right to Ryan Strome, but again Markstrom was there to shut the door.

The Canucks power-play expired without another goal, but they scored right after for the 2-0 lead. Edler made a beautiful stretch pass to Motte for a breakaway, and Motte again tried to put the puck around Lundqvist. This time, he succeeded for his 8th goal of the season.

11 seconds after Motte scored, he scored again! Roussel started the play and drove to the front of the Rangers goal before he was hit from behind by Brendan Lemieux. The puck squirted back to the top of the slot right to Motte, who wound up and fired a shot top corner over Lundqvist for his 2nd goal of the game. Lemieux was given another 5-minute major on the play, and the Canucks went right back to the power-play for another 5 minutes.

The Canucks weren’t able to capitalize on their 2nd 5-minute power-play, as they dropped to 1 for 4 on the man advantage, however, they had some more good looks as the power-play was strong through the 2nd period.

17 minutes into the period, the Canucks took their first penalty of the game when Pearson was called for hooking.

A minute into the power-play, Jay Beagle got entangled with Vladislav Namestnikov right in the slot in the Vancouver zone. Beagle was getting in Namestnikov’s face after Namestnikov hit Leivo in his mid section a minute earlier. Both players were given coincidental minors.

The Canucks killed off the Rangers power-play, and the period came to a close with the Canucks up by 3. A crazy period of hockey to watch. On one hand, it was good to see the Canucks came out of the 2nd with the 3 goal lead. On the other hand, 2 major penalties in 1 period against the same team right after each other? Almost as bizarre as the 7-minute power-play the Canucks had to kill off all those years ago… The Canucks still had 20 minutes to play as they looked to close out the win.

3rd Period

The Canucks kept up their strong play from the 2nd period, and 2 minutes into the 3rd they drew their 6th power-play of the game when Kevin Shattenkirk was forced to hook Granlund right by the Rangers goal.

The Canucks 6th power-play looked more like their first one of the game and didn’t generate much of anything. It also only lasted 1:30 seconds, because Leivo got called for interference after he got entangled with Namestnikov as he went off for a line change.

Things went from bad to worse for the Canucks, as right as 4 on 4 expired Stecher got called for a hook on the Rangers Brady Skjei, who almost blew right by the Richmond, BC native for a chance on Markstrom. The Canucks were now 2 men down for 1:30, and needed a strong penalty kill performance.

The home fans got just that, as the 3 man penalty kill unit was fantastic and kept the Rangers to the outside for the majority of the 1:30. They killed off the Leivo penalty, and ultimately killed off the Stecher penalty with ease to see the Rangers power-play drop to 0 for 3.

Wasn’t the last time the Canucks were shorthanded in the period however, as around the 10:30 minute mark Edler got called for interfering with Jesper Fast in the neutral zone. The Rangers went to their 3rd power-play of the period as they looked to find some sort of answer to the strong play of Markstrom.

The Rangers 4th power-play of the game finally broke through, and they cut the deficit by 1. The Canucks failed to clear the zone a minute into the power-play, and the puck found itself on the stick of Mika Zibanejad. Zibanejad made a nice saucer pass over to Pavel Buchnevic who snapped a shot over the glove of Markstrom for the power-play tally.

The Rangers came on strong around the 13-minute mark of the period, and Markstrom needed to make a couple of nice stops to preserve the 2 goal lead. The Canucks still led by 2 with just 5 minutes left to play, as the Canucks inched closer to the win.

The Rangers decided to pull their goaltender with 3 minutes remaining in the period, and the Canucks were up to the task. Motte was on the ice for 2 of the final 3 minutes and fanned on a chance right in front of the empty Rangers goal as he failed to complete the hat-trick. The Canucks did get an empty netter, as Jake Virtanen, in his 200th game and 2nd game back after his injury scored to make it 4-1. That was the final, as Vancouver bounced back after a tough loss and beat the Rangers handily at home.

Also, as far as goal calls go, this one was beautiful.

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Both photos courtesy of naturalstattrick.com

Wrap Up

The Canucks needed a win like this after a rough stretch of games saw them play from behind in the previous 6. They took the lead tonight, extended it and never looked back against a Rangers team that shot themselves in the foot after a few brutal penalties basically stole a period away from themselves.

One of the keys for the Canucks in this game was the adjustment made by a couple of the young defenders after a tough first period. Sautner and Brisebois struggled to move the puck up the ice in the 1st, and while they didn’t get a ton of ice time in the 2nd, I thought they were much better in the 3rd period. The whole defense bent, but they didn’t break and gave the team the opportunity to capitalize when the Rangers became undisciplined. It did highlight the need for a defender like Quinn Hughes in their lineup, however, as the lack of a true puck mover almost sunk the ship early for the Canucks.

That Hughes line leads right into the next key to this game, which was Jakob Markstrom. Markstrom rebounded from a rough game against Vegas with a strong game tonight against the Rangers. While he wasn’t overly busy and didn’t need to ‘steal’ this game, he needed to keep the Canucks in it through the first period when they were getting out-played. He made a few key stops on Kreider and Strome and made a sneaky strong poke-check to clear the zone on the long 5 on 3 penalty kill. He was also strong for the few minutes in the 3rd when the Rangers were searching for their 2nd goal. For all the doubters out there, this game was another sign that Markstrom has really turned the corner. He was great when the Canucks needed him tonight, and helped lead the boys to the victory.

Tyler Motte had himself a game, and was the best Canucks forward in a game where a lot of players played well. He utilized his speed on his first goal, and scored a goal-scorers goal on his 2nd with fantastic shot placement to put it past Lundqvist. Ignoring his 2 goals, Motte had a number of other quality scoring chances at every point in this hockey game, and I was quite disappointed when he fanned on his hat-trick opportunity with a minute to go in the game. Other notable players from tonight’s game include Gaudette, Horvat, and Edler. 

All in all, another slow start didn’t hamstring the boys tonight, as they were able to take control in the second and never wavered. A confidence booster to the kids as the Canucks play out the season. Their next game is at home against the New Jersey Devils on Friday night.

  • crofton

    The Kreider elbow was very reminiscent of Kassian’s on Gagner, when he broke his jaw. ( I wonder how Gagner feels about having Kassian as a team mate now). I guess we should thank our lucky starts Elias was “just” cut.
    Good bounce back by Markstrom, tough way to lose the S.O. but he got the W. And Motte showed why he belongs.

  • Goon

    Just a couple of suggestions for dealing with our resident mentally-ill basement dweller:

    He’s here to antagonize. He wants you to identify his new aliases as him and get mad that he has another new account. He wants you to downvote him. Above all he wants to know that he’s annoying you.

    I admit I rise to the bait sometimes. He is very good at being annoying. But if the people who post here regularly in good faith want to be rid of this cancer on the community, we need to do the following:

    1. Ignore. Don’t downvote, don’t respond, don’t say “OH PQW ANOTHER ALIAS”. We can all recognize his aliases. Just ignore him. The fewer responses he gets the less fun it’ll be for him.

    2. E-mail Ryan. Identify yourself as a regular reader, express concern that one person is being allowed to derail so many conversations, and encourage moderation of the comments.

    That’s about all we can do.

    • kermit

      Imagine you’re playing a game of Battleship, you say B6, but there’s no response, how about G3, nothing, you keep trying but no one is responding. Eventually you give up because you can’t play Battleship by yourself. This is how the troll sees it. Any kind of response, whether it’s a comment or even a trash is considered a hit. He needs engagement, otherwise he’s just sitting there playing by himself. For months now my policy has been to not even read his posts, and he’s pretty easy to spot, even with a new alias. Don’t read, don’t browse, don’t trash, don’t comment. It will get worse before it gets better, he will even try trashing his own comments to keep the pot boiling, in behavioral psychology this called an extinction crescendo. We just have to persevere in ignoring him.

    • Gino's 3rd Cousin

      I hear what you are saying. I’ve realized I’ve wasted my time trying to respond to it. I’ve been a fan of this team since the 80s and appreciate the critical analysis that can occur in this comment section. I even have love for some of the absurd opinions people have as long as they are coming from a place of wanting the team to be better. Being a fan of this team already includes enough suffering. I’m going to try my best to ignore the troll and its many faces. It cries for attention here because it hasn’t received enough love in its life, but I agree it’s best to just let it cry unnattended in the dark.

  • Gino's 3rd Cousin

    Thank the Hockey Gods for that Boeser goal. It felt like most of his goals looked like that last year, while this year his snipes are few and far between. I hope this momentum continues for the young man.

    • Braindead Benning

      Boeser is trying to do too much is all.. Obviously being his 2nd full season the league figured his style out and he just needs to adjust and change. This season he seems to try and stick handle through the opposing team instead of just making a safe play and finding ways to get open.

  • Kanuckhotep

    This was the first time this year the Canucks had not one but two major penalty power plays and they took advantage of it 70 games into it. I know great players like Petey will always be targeted but am sick of the muggings and goonery thwarted at our star player. But like Brian Burke has said don’t wait for the league to do anything about it. The Canucks themselves need to solve this problem.

    • Bud Poile

      Earlier this season noticed that Petey likes to wear his helmet strap loose.
      Today’s hit to the face could have been minimised with a face shield.
      Petey could decrease some of his risk level to concussions with these two simple changes.

      • TheRealPB

        Wait, you want Pettersson to play with a full face shield? Come on, it’s a contact sport. That wasn’t a dirty play, it was a reckless one and Kreider got penalized for it. The other five minute was puzzling to say the least. Stop going on about the fragility of Pettersson. Kucherov is 5’11 x 178 pounds. He has 111 points. Point is 5’10 and 166 pounds. He has 83 points. In fact TB — far and away the best team in the league this year — has five forwards under 5’11 and 180 pounds. Their bigger forwards rarely top six feet and 200 pounds. A couple of their defensemen are big but even Stralman is only 5’11 x 190 pounds. The game has changed. You absolutely have to try and protect the Peterssons against egregious violence like the Matheson incident but the Kreider hit was careless but not totally unusual in the game. You also can’t wrap EP or any other player in bubblewrap and expect them to be effective.

        • DogBreath

          I agree with most of your comment, but most TB defence are 6’1-6’6 with most between 6’3-6’6”. Suspect having defence this size better complements having that small (but very effective) offensive core who probably play bigger than they are, knowing they are supported when the opposition takes liberties.

          Last night the refs did a good job of calling penalties on the play. Not sure I see who sticks up for the canucks on nights when the refs keep whistles in their pockets.

          • DogBreath

            The staredown is a good start, but I’m thinking they’ll need more …. I don’t see them going into next year without more muscle. MacEwen could be part of that solution but think they’ll need more team toughness or a single person who can defend teammates.

            I’m actually not a fan of fighting in hockey, but it still has a role in today’s game.

        • Bud Poile

          Half shield.Did you read full shield somewhere,PB?
          Half shields are common gear.
          Pucks,sticks,elbows,boards and fists can concuss any player.
          Players with prior concussions are susceptible and marking time.
          Refusing to even contemplate helping protect the franchise player with simple,preventable measures sadly demonstrates where head injury awareness and education is at.

          • Are you guys using the same terminology? The league made visors mandatory in 2013. There’s a difference between a visor, full shield, and 3/4 shield (e.g. Dany Heatley). I’m still trying to figure out what you guys are talking about when you say “half shield”.

            Personally, I would make full face protection mandatory rather than visors. Full shield or hybrid visor/screen, the individual player can figure it out. How many players have had major facial damage due to errant sticks, pucks to the face, or cheap shots? You can’t say it makes players look like wussies, look at any NFL linebacker and tell me they look like a wimp. Wearing a full face shield doesn’t encourage head shots, failure to enforce rules and punish offenders does.

          • Goon

            100% agree with Forever 1915. Every Canucks fan should appreciate the importance of full face shields after Malhotra’s horrific eye injury and Burrows’ broken jaw – not to mention Edler’s recent facial fractures.

          • Gino's 3rd Cousin

            You’re confusing us on this one Bud. If Petey played this whole season with no sheild it would have been a big topic of discussion. There are barely any players left in the league who don’t use a half-sheild.

          • TheRealPB

            I still don’t really know what you’re talking about. Visors aren’t new. That’s what it looks like he wears. If you’re advocating for a full face shield then that’s a different beast. And upon reviewing the hit you’re all right, it was dirty. I also agree with Forever 1915 that full cages are a good idea. Interestingly they’ve been talking about going backwards from full cages to half shields. I don’t really get why though (I know there’s reduced visibility but surely the safety factor is a bigger tradeoff).

      • Gino's 3rd Cousin

        @1915, I still think that choice should be up to the player. When I tried to switch to a visor (or half-shield…whatever terminology you want to use) from no protection, I found it extremely restricting for my peripheral vision. I imagine a full sheild would be even worse. I think there would be a lot of pushback from the NHLPA if the league tried to institute mandatory full sheilds.

        • There is always a trade-off when incorporating new gear. In this case, it’s safety vs. functionality. Here are some questions that one can ask prospectively and retrospectively: Would you play in the today’s NHL without a helmet or goaltender mask? For those who sustained serious injury, if you could go back in time, would you have worn safety gear that would have prevented your permanent, debilitating injury? Heck, how many lives has an inconvenient seat belt saved? Hockey players have to wear full face protection in juniors and in the NCAA. This isn’t something radically new.

          Moreover, much technological innovation is driven by sport. If you don’t believe me, look at how much wheelchairs have improved because of top-end competitive disabled sports athletes. Making something mandatory at the highest level of competition will drive improvements in the sport’s technology. There will be an incentive to make the technology stronger, lighter, and more ergonomic. Look at the NHL’s own evolution of goaltender masks and padding, sticks, and skates.

          • Gino's 3rd Cousin

            I hear your opinion and understand where it’s coming from. There is also a lot of sentiment that the helmets in the NFL have been turned into weapons and are the cause of a lot injuries/concussions. Back in the leather helmet days players would be a lot more careful about diving headfirst into their opponents. I can also see the possibility of players being even more careless with their sticks, elbows and checks to the head if everyone is wearing full face shields. Anyways, I could be wrong, but instinctually that’s how I feel it would play out.

          • I don’t think that headshots would increase *if* rules were properly enforced. One major problem is that rule enforcement sucks in the NHL. Referees should make good calls on the ice and NHL head office should follow-up with discipline as an additional measure or if the referee missed the call on the ice. A high stick or elbow to the face shield should still be called, I could only see the pseudo-macho old boys’ network of the NHL (e.g. Colin Campbell, Don Cherry) being resistant.

            I come from a background where safety is always first (e.g. firearms, motorcycles, martial arts, etc.) for yourself but also your fellow opponents/competitors/participants. You can have as much fun as you want blasting away at stuff at the gun range but if you break one safety rule, don’t be surprised to any entire firing line turn against you and the range officer give you a good tongue-lashing (and usually end your shooting day prematurely). I guess I come from a different culture that sees safety as paramount because the consequences of a safety failure are potentially fatal. Though the risk is more likely a remote severe non-fatal injury (e.g. stick in the eye, broken jaw/teeth from puck), I personally can’t see why hockey can’t co-exist with a safety-first culture.

  • TheRealPB

    Ah a game between two non-playoff teams in mid-March with a bunch of injuries. That was not exactly the most entertaining, especially since the second and third periods devolved into extended power play time throughout. Motte and Granlund should have had a couple of more goals each. I thought Virtanen looked great and EP looked shaky after the hit — which I didn’t think was intentional but I also wondered why they brought him back out. His timing was way off after and he missed more than a few passes and plays. I thought Stecher had a particularly poor game. Having Tanev and Edler out there during the 5-3 reminded me just how good the two of them are and how atrocious our defense will be without them. I know the desire for more picks but if development is really what we are after, having the two of them as safety nets (along with Hutton and Stecher assuming they both remain on the upswing) will be really good for Juolevi and Hughes to have protected minutes next year.

    Also Namestnikov is a real piece of work. I liked Beagle chirping him. Leivo to me has been one of the best pickups we’ve had. He is far more dynamic on the PP than EP and Boeser who basically are just trying to set up their own shots, Horvat who just carries and retrieves and Goldobin who loses the puck too often. I also like the fact that Leivo will get in someone’s face, like the aforementioned Namestnikov. I remember his dad playing for the Canucks and not being this kind of a douche.

    • Killer Marmot

      EP looked shaky after the hit — which I didn’t think was intentional

      That flying elbow was intentional as hell. These are professionals at the highest level. They know how to make something look accidental. Fortunately, the refs were also professionals at the highest level, and they weren’t buying what Kreider was selling.

      • canuckfan

        Totally agree it was intentional you don’t swing that elbow like that without the intent of hitting someone with it. No one goes out and tries to injure but when you swing an elbow like that at someones face you are looking to inflict pain on your opponent.
        I think Petey is tired of being targeted Canucks need a BIG winger on the other side of Petey. Someone who is not afraid to stand up for their team mate and one who can create more room. I wonder if McEwen could be a fit.
        With Gudbranson gone and Roussel out for the rest of the season Canucks will need someone like McEwen to be in the lineup, especially with Hughes coming in.

        • TonyBeets

          Aww poor lil ‘petey’ – lets tuck him under a blankie with milk and cookies or send him out of harm’s way yeah…

          “I want to see Elias recover as fully as possible and then preferably spend another year back in Sweden or the AHL. Elias’ health and future has been compromised. Once your brain is injured there is no going back to mending it.” Bud Poile

          Pathetic troll and anti-Canuck fan. Get rid CA or shall i do it for ya?

    • kermit

      PB, you must be a person who likes to give other people the benefit of the doubt, which is an admirable trait actually, but in this case, Petey was sidestepping the check and Kreider tried to make himself bigger by spreading his elbows. It’s like a player who misses a check sticking his knee out.

      Lemieux’s match penalty was a different story, Lundqvist swept Roussel’s skates out from under him with a failed poke check and Roussel fell face first into Lemieux, who was just standing his ground. Roussel’s injury looked a little like Petey’s in Montreal where his leg folded under him, although it looks like it’s more serious.

      • TheRealPB

        Yup, as I said above, my initial reaction was just to what I’d seen during the game. Upon a closer look I was wrong, it was a dirty play, as evidenced also by the huge fine levied by the NHL (that will show Kreider…)

  • Locust

    How can you watch the game (?), write the story, post the replays and then say EP was hit on the jaw?
    Bloody obvious he got beaked right on the nose.

    • russb

      Sadly I don’t think he will….the Canucks have been run over for years with little or no pushback. For all Gudbranson’s many faults, he at least had some ability to go after the other teams and now he is gone. Zack MacEwen came up, dropped the gloves and immediately got sent down again.

  • wojohowitz

    Very surprised by how undisciplined the Rangers played. Second most penalized team in the league. They are not going to win many games playing like that. Second year coach Quinn isn`t going to last long.

    Motte versus Granlund; one stays and one goes.

      • wojohowitz

        Look ahead a couple of years. Seven good young forwards with Leivo the oldest at 27. Now fill out the bottom five (or six counting the thirteenth extra). Who gets to stay and play. Build this team not for next week or even next year but two years later when all the young guys mesh into a unit.

        • Killer Marmot

          If recent history is anything to go by, the bottom half of the lineup will change dramatically and unexpectedly over the course of the next few years. Trying to fill in the names today is a futile exercise. Saying “Granlund is expendable because they’ll be no room for him in two years” is getting too clever.

      • MattyT

        Well said Brainer. The most expensive player on the team, 6 MILLION a year US with a No Trade and bonus laden contract which makes him effectively buyout proof, is now a healthy scratch and the staff and windowlickers here barely give it any air time… says a lot doesn’t it.

        “When we signed him, we expected him to be a consistent 20-goal scorer. He hasn’t done that. That part, that’s been disappointing.”- Benning on Eriksson

        “Green has been sour on Eriksson since he got here. Source said he told Loui last year that he doesn’t deserve his contract.” – Harrison Mooney

        One of the worst FA signings in Canucks history. What a complete mess. #firebenning

    • Hughes is articulate and thoughtful when he speaks. Compare him to a Virtanen interview. Night and day. It’s a very refreshing change from the “umm, it was unbelieveable, uhhh, we need to work hard and play a 200 foot game, ummm” and all that cliched speech.

    • kablebike

      Yes, he seems a confident, young man. On the other hand, it is probably 1-2 years before he starts spouting the common 10-15 cliches for CYA purposes. Interviews of sports athletes … ugh. At least D. Murphy throws the odd bomb out (looking at you Leafs fans).

      • Kootenaydude

        The interviews between periods are all crap. The questions are crap. So the answers are crap. How hard is it to actually have a couple interesting or meaningful questions ready for an interview?! Then these hacks criticize Pettersson for giving them the death stare. Do they not realize he gives them the death stare because they ask stupid questions. I just record the game and fast forward thru the interviews.

  • Rodeobill

    They should think about giving Markstrom the “A” next year. I am left wanting to see more of Gaudette, but he doesn’t get many shifts. Maybe they could ease up on Petey just a little bit to let him catch his breath, he’ll probably play better for it. Sautner looks alright, Biega too. Briseboise didn’t see much ice, but I’m thinking he could probably season a bit more. I wonder who comes out for Quinn.