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WWYDW: Brock Boeser

With the additions of J.T. Miller, Micheal Ferland, and Tyler Myers via trade and free agency, the Canucks have found themselves in a tight spot when it comes to their salary cap situation. This is especially true in the case of Brock Boeser, who remains unsigned, with the Canucks currently having just over $5 million dollars in cap space to get a deal done. He’s far from the only RFA who’s still waiting for a contract, and he isn’t eligible to sign an offer sheet, so time is on the team’s side, for now. Having said that, even the most conservative estimates would suggest $5 million isn’t  going to be enough space, so chances are the Canucks are going to have to do some creative manoeuvring to open up the space to get Brock Boeser signed.

How would you handle the Brock Boeser situation? 

Last week I asked: Who should Ferland play with next season?

Rodeobill:

The crux of this comes down to line chemistry and situation. Assuming he finds chemistry with Bo and EP, it should vary from game to game. Against teams with 2 good scoring lines, he should be with Horvat to push the needle on line 2 and change the tone of the game for the other team from scoring to “protect yourself from injury” rather than score. If the team is a one line wonder, he should be put on EP’s line to neutralize the opposite teams checking line in the offensive zone and create space for EP and Boeser while hopefully retrieving pucks off the boards and screening goalies.

J-Canuck:

This is a tough one!
While I would like to see a tough guy that digs pucks out of the corners play with EP and Brock. Th thought of adding a playmaker that can score 20+ goals in Miller would give the Canucks a true top line.
Ferland would be a great addition to play with Bo and Tanner and make a 2nd line that is a beast.

DJ_44:

Play Ferland with Pettersson and Boeser. He will create space for both and provide net front with finishing ability.

Play Miller with Horvat, probably on his right wing, with Baertschi or Pearson on the other side.

MajorFawlty:

I’d aim high and have Ferland play with Pettersson for the first stint of season to see if they find any chemistry. Ask him to retrieve pucks and agitate other team’s top lines like Burrows did for the Sedins. He brings a different dimension to the Boeser-Pettersson tandem that may prove more fruitful than Goldobin or Leivo. If that doesn’t pan out Miller gets a shot and Ferland would still upgrade the middle six. When Roussel is healthy the two could make it miserable for the opposition, up and down the lineup.

Beefus:

I wonder if Ferland would be a good fit to play with Elias Pettersson and Loui Eriksson. He would provide protection for both and may give Loui a chance to rejuvenate his career.

At the very least Eriksson would put up some numbers that would make him more attractive to some team as a trade acquisition.

Hockey Bunker:

Gotta be with EP and BB. Defensemen will be in survival mode watching out for Ferland so much they’ll lose sight of the shooters.
It’ll make both of them better as they are quick strike opportunists. Can’t say Goldy had the same impact, LOL.
Given the make up of the Canucks, teams are going to mark the game down on their calendars as ones to keep your head up in.



  • Killer Marmot

    This is especially true in the case of Brock Boeser, who remains unsigned, with the Canucks currently having just over $5 million dollars in cap space to get a deal done.

    It’s over $6 million, as signing Boeser means another forward would get removed from the roster, freeing up $1 million or so. But if Boeser signs for $7 million (a common figure thrown around) then they have to find another million in cap space. Trading Schaller would do the trick, but I don’t think a lot of teams want that contract.

    My suggestion: If they can’t move a player, go into opening day with a roster of 22 players. They will soon be able to return to 23 as the injured reserve provides cap space relief.

    I’m sure someone will tell me, though, why the CBA prevents that from working.

    • DJ_44

      Jackson is either trolling or absent of math skills, or both: let’s give him the benefit of the doubt.

      with the Canucks currently having just over $5 million dollars in cap space to get a deal done.

      Without really doing anything except going with a 22-man roster — with Boeser representing 23 — (I know, we are thinking outside the box here) the Canucks have about $ 6.95 M in cap space.

      Not enough? Set the roster so it is at $81.5M – put Rousell on LTIR and boom …. you have another $3M at your disposal (albeit only until late Nov/Dec). Last I checked, pretty sure $10M will provide the room.

      • Killer Marmot

        Roussel doesn’t provide cap relief until after the season starts. But the Canucks have to hit their cap target on opening day, when no LTIR cap relief has been accumulated. That’s the problem.

        • Tellmore

          It’s not a problem unless they give Boeser more than Pasternak, Gaudreau, Karlsson or Monaghan. He hasn’t had a full season and he hasn’t hit 30 goals. He’s full of potential, but that’s the next contract. I hope they play hardball and don’t grossly overpay.

        • DJ_44

          But the Canucks have to hit their cap target on opening day

          Hitting there cap hit opening day is not an actually requirement. You can place Roussel on LTIR on the last day of training camp. There is actually no requirement to be cap compliant (including LTIR) on the first day of the season.

          Even so, they may not have to even dip into LTIR.

          • Killer Marmot

            That. I beleive, is incorrect.

            As I understand the CBA, you do have to be at or under your cap ceiling on every day of the season. But it’s your averaged cap hit over the season up till that point with cap relief for players on the LTIR.

            But on opening day, your “average” is your total roster payroll (plus salaries of players sent down over about $1 million), and you have collected no LTIR cap relief, so injuries don’t buy you any room.

          • DJ_44

            Nope. I was also under this impression but not the case. CBA Section 50.10(d) — look at Illustration #4 which sets out this example.

            This is why the Leafs can sign Marner at any time between now and camp and still be cap compliant.

  • Beer Can Boyd

    He’s a 22 year old winger who has played all of 2 years in the league. His defensive play is still suspect. Rumours are that the 2 sides are far apart. $7 million per should be the max they offer him. At that price, sign him for as many years as he will agree to. If he wants more, then its either a bridge contract or a trade.

  • Defenceman Factory

    The short answer to the question is Already.

    Can’t move Eriksson move Sutter, can’t move Sutter move Baertschi, can’t move him move Tanev. Find the space.

    Get Boeser signed for as long as possible for a little as possible, 8 years at 7.25 is fair. Use the Roussel IR if there are still cap issues until you can get Sutter or Eriksson traded.

    Get on a plane and go watch Da beauty pond hockey and make sure Boeser knows he is badly wanted in Vancouver and he needs to be in excellent condition.

  • J-Canuck

    Spotrac has estimated cap space a touch over 5mil. What is terrible is the 3+. Mill retained for Lou. I still don’t agree with punishment to this Canucks team because the last group found a loophole in the Cap rules!
    That being said, Schaller can be put in Utica getting close to 7mil and a few minor tweaks will get it done. Or there might be a Tanev trade on the horizon then asking Quinn or Jordie Benn.
    The best plan would be find trade for Sutter or pull an Oil and trade Loui for a similar, but buy out worthy contract.

  • Hockey Bunker

    Boeser’s only power is to hold out, Canucks have the hammer. However using that hammer can destroy a relationship. He’s probably worth about 5 million in the current market. 6 is the Canucks internal max. He knows it so it’s all about term. At least that’s how it appears to me. A probable lockout in two years is a complication, but likely just means a heavily front loaded contract.
    Right now he’s a proven under 30 goal scorer with the potential to be a 40 goal scorer. Will he be paid for the proven or the potential?

  • rediiis

    I really like the fact that there is no trash its or love its on this post. Boeser will get his money, it will slide in after a few other RFA’s are signed. Benning has the ship out of dangerous waters finally. He still needs to do some work on some forwards. Sign ’em, trade ’em or send them down. In another month it might be different.

  • Ragnarok Ouroboros

    At the end of the day the Canucks are running a business and should pay players like Brock a wage that is fair to the player, but also make financial sense to the team and their aspirations of winning a cup. You look at Edmonton and how so much of their cap space is allocated to two players (McDavid and Drasaitl) and it is no wonder they are not competitive even though they have the best player in the game. The player agent is only interested in maximizing the contract their player gets and they don’t care about winning a cup, and they will try to leverage any angle they can to maximize the dollars.
    Canucks do not need to do anything with Brock other that insist on offering a fair contract. They should wait as long as it takes to get a fair contract even if it means he doesn’t play during the regular season. IE they should do what Toronto did with Nylander.
    If the player is more concerned about dollars than winning a cup, then the team is better without that player. The Canucks have improved the team enough that they can start the season without Boeser, and Boeser can decide whether he wants to chase dollars or a cup.

    • Beer Can Boyd

      100%. I don’t like the way the league is going, every team is going to have 3 guys making obscene money, and everyone else at 3 mill or less. Hardly a recipe for dressing room camaraderie.

  • Ragnarok Ouroboros

    I think you are getting too bent out of shape about mistakes in the article. You are not paying to read the article, and the guy who wrote is probably not making much off of it. So what if his cap numbers are a bit off, the cap numbers are not the point of the article. Try to offer constructive criticism, instead of getting personal and calling for the guy to get fired.

    • Tellmore

      This article is absolutely about the cap. It’s about how we would sign Boeser with only 5 million in cap space. But that’s not true.

      This is about the fourth or fifth article he’s made that “mistake”. And the comments section of all of them have been full of constructive criticism, such as the elaborate explanations I’ve made showing how we have nearly 7 mil in cap space. McDonald is either ignoring the issue, or deliberately spreading bad information because he’s smearing Benning. I have plenty of criticism for Benning, but I don’t need to present falsehoods to do it. Canucks Army should be above printing lies to advance its narrative. And if he isn’t lying, he’s being lazy and not doing his research, which is just as bad.

  • jaybird43

    Well, he needs to be signed at the start of the season.

    Market value would seem in the range of 6.5 to 7 mill, and that’s ok for a term of 6 to 8 years. Get him signed with at least 3 weeks before preseason, but make your cap space moves before that, a la Eriksson or similar (or prostrate yourself before Bettman to get the Lougo relief), but do it before the signing forces Benning to do something gross (I.e. Virtanen as a “throw in” for a cap relief trade).

  • j2daff

    He’s likely looking for 7+ on a bridge length deal and the team is likely looking for max length at around 6. For a max length Boeser would be looking for more than 7M at this point. Yes the team has leverage but if you want him to be part of your core going forward you simply have to pay him more than you payed guys like Myers and Edler or you risk damaging the relationship. His agent will be all over this team with comparative contracts this management has signed and others around the league as well. Depending on what you look at you could argue that 6 is the right number but you could also argue that 8.5M is the right number as well.

    Odds are the deal comes in around 7M on a “Bridge deal” or between 7-7.5M on a 7-8 year deal. Both of which the team has to do some work to make the contract fit under the cap. First thing they have to do is paper down the players that don’t need to go through waivers to start the year dropping the roster to 21 players and staying under the 81.5M cap. Once they pass that hurdle of “opening day” they can put Rousell on LTIR for the relief, call back up the guys they papered down that made the roster and move anyone that did not make the roster but was kept up to stay under the cap for “opening day” cap compliance.

    At that point they are running cap compliant until Rousell is back and longer if there is another significant injury in the mean time. They have to continue to try to move LE, Sutter, Schaller, etc. from now until the end of the season and hope that one/some of them build some value so they can be moved without paying a team to take them before all the LTIR relief is gone or they will have to move a player they don’t want too. I would imagine that moving Tanev will be explored this season as it’s the last year on his current contract and they may be able to get value back. We have to remember that they have to also move out enough salary to not face penalties if bonuses cause them to go over the cap at the end of the year.

    This management has a lot to do this year and have to be on top of it and not sit on their hands. They will not have a lot of cap space next summer without moving money before then unless they let guys like Marky, Stecher walk without replacing them with anyone paid more than league min so avoiding cap penalties is a major priority. Hopefully they get lucky and can move Sutter and LE but I’m betting that one if not both are still here to start next season.

  • rediiis

    Boeser is a solid forward, but not above 6 for 6. I have no problem with that contract. If he wants more, we do have a logjam. He is a winger and most of the teams that pay too much for wingers get in cap hell. Wingers score but they are the easiest to replace. If Benning could recoup a couple of 1st rounders it would really show signs of today and the future. A move like this would keep the team with nice cap space without mortgaging the future trying to get rid of Eriksson and Sutter.

  • Hiatus

    Damn, I hate when my view appears to be the “odd man out” view; but when it comes to what Brock Boeser is worth in both dollars and term, I apparently disagree with most.

    Brock’s played two seasons (on a bad team), he hasn’t scored 30 or more goals (yet), his back checking or two way game is mediocre, but was better last season than his first.

    Yes I get he’s young, and I too believe he has all the potential, he needs time and better players to prove it (one down).

    I wonder if there is a creative way to pay a player (via incentives/bonus) more money, but not like LE contract were it’s guaranteed.
    For example if a player scores 30 goals he gets (for lack of a better term) a scoring bonus of say $1 M, if he scores 40 goals he get’s a second scoring bonus of an additional $1 M, this could be for assists or any stat i guess.

    I checked the CBA tab on the NHLPA web site but got no hits when I searched for said type of bonuses or incentives, so I don’t know if they are allowed but it might be an option. Not sure how this would impact/affect the CAP issue.

    Please don’t think I’m hating on Brock, I love guy, I believe that from his short stint in the NHL and that he’s not scored 30 goals a season yet, not to mention injuries, that his true value is somewhere between $5 M and $5.5 M with the bonuses (or something like them) as an incentive for Brock to take the money on the table if he’s able on a 5 year term.

    The league, player agents, players and yes at times owners, not to mention the media and fan’s over inflate what a players market value is, which is evident with some of the monster contracts in the past few years, only to have the team trying to unload them years before they expires, because either the game has changed or the years of wear and tear on the player as lowered their value and usefulness, it’s a no win situation for anyone.

    • DJ_44

      I wonder if there is a creative way to pay a player (via incentives/bonus) more money, but not like LE contract were it’s guaranteed.

      Nope. Not allowed. CBA Section 50.2(b)(C) [pg 248-249]. Performance bonuses can be paid to ELC contracts as per set schedules; or to 35+ contracts; or to vets coming off big LTIR signing a single year show-me.

  • Kanuckhotep

    If the two parties are as far apart in negotiations as purported, what is the stumbling block? Term or money? I suppose those of us in the real world cannot see how not taking, say, $6M per season for 6 years to play a kid’s game is reasonable. I understand market value considerations come into play but maybe Brock’s agent is simply playing hard ball. As much as I love Brock’s scoring touch he’s still only semi-proven and not fully proven for not so big sample size. 6×6 and no more IMHO.

  • Holly Wood

    BB will get something north of 5.5 per year on a 5-7 year term. He is an elite finisher but does not drive the play at all, supply any grit, kill penalties, or provide anything towards the defensive side. Canucks need his scoring but I don’t think you need to break open the vault. Kyle Conner with the Jets is a comparable

  • rediiis

    I’d trade BB for Kyle Connor in a heartbeat. That kid can do it all. BB, I like, but he is a one trick pony. iii test. I really don’t think this kid should be given big money without some consistency and playing full seasons. As always, just my opinion.