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Monday Mailbag: Tanner Pearson and Turning Points

It depends on what you mean by “real”. Is Pearson going to keep shooting at over 20% for the remainder of his Canucks career? No. Did he suddenly forget how to score goals at the age of 26 after being a consistent contributor for the Kings for three seasons and the offense he showed with the Canucks is just a complete fluke? I highly doubt it.

I think the Canucks bought low on Pearson when he was at his absolute worst and can probably expect a couple more seasons of 15ish goals and 35ish points before his contract is up. This was a down year for Pearson and he still managed 18 goals and 27 points, so I think if anything about this season was a mirage, it was his awful start in Los Angeles.

I think there are reasons to feel optimistic about Pearson moving forward, as long as the expectations are reasonable. He spent much of the year playing with a hand injury and the Kings and Penguins both gave up on him very quickly. His career high is 44 points, so it seems reasonable that if he’s healthy and on a team where he’s going to get opportunities, he could get back to 35-40 next year.

He has 4 points in 7 games, all assists, but he’s also been a healthy scratch at times. The AHL Barracuda are a playoff team and Dahlen’s a new addition, so it’s hard to know how much to read into that; but I’d say it’s more or less the same it was in Utica. The Sharks are in a position to take a flyer on a guy like Dahlen who has upside but hasn’t put it together, and the deal may pay off for them; but he’s firmly in “meh” territory for the time being.

Yes, I do. In fact, I think handedness ought to be less emphasized for player like Hughes who have a tendency to freewheel and get creative. Hughes is a special player, and I don’t think that’s going to go away just because he’s playing his off-side. The real question is whether or not the coach or the front office has any appetite for it.

Simmonds. He’s been the better player historically but he’s already experiencing a steep decline and probably has at most three more years of above-replacement-level play in him. Myers is what he is, but he’s younger and looks like he’ll hold up a little longer. Defensemen also retain their value for longer than forwards and if the Canucks could move Gudbranson with two more years at 4 million I’m sure they could move Myers if they had to.

Great! It’s been eight months now that I’ve been doing it every week, but I had been playing spot duty for J.D. for about a year before that, so it was a seamless transition. I appreciate that it forces me to get thoughts out every week, especially when I’m too busy to spend hours pouring over data for a long-form thought piece.

I think J.D. and I have a similar outlook, but our approaches to the mailbag are pretty different, so I hope the final product is still as good as it ever was.

DiPietro is an interesting case as far as “emergency goaltenders” go, because he’s property of the organization and signed to an ELC. That makes him significantly different from your Scott Foster-types or goalie coach who has to step in to make sure two goalies are dressed. Unless I’m mistaken, he would have just been paid his share of his ELC for the time he spent with the team.

There are definitely some treat boys in the front office, but you have to think that it would be one of the players based solely on how much food a pro athlete can put away. Luke Schenn is the heftiest guy on the roster so I’ll go with him, but Jake Virtanen definitely has a puncher’s chance.

If they’re only moving up a couple of spots, they could probably do it by adding their second. If they’re moving up to third or fourth, it would probably take a roster player or a prospect. I would say it’s not worth it in this year’s draft, though, where there are no sure things after Hughes and Kakko.

I would say the talent is distributed something like this:

Tier 1: Hughes, Kakko

Sizeable Gap

Tier 2: Cozens, Dach, Byram

Smaller Gap

Tier 3: Rest of the first round

I have some thoughts on how the rest of the first shakes out, but I’m willing to admit it mostly comes down to preference and I’m not familiar enough with this year’s draft to have any strong opinions yet.

There are definitely some similarities. I’m not saying they are direct comparables in terms of play style or position, but Elias Pettersson has the potential to be a roughly Taylor Hall-calibre player, and Bo Horvat has a similar profile to Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. Brock Boeser bares a lot of similarities to a young Jordan Eberle, but the early returns on Boeser indicate there’s a good chance he’ll be more consistent. The biggest difference would be that the Oilers never really had a defensive prospect with the kind of potential that Quinn Hughes has, and could never get consistent goaltending. The Canucks also don’t seem nearly as beholden to the whims of the old boys’ club, Ron Delorme notwithstanding. When you look at the supporting cast, though, the two teams are fairly similar. I would definitely give the edge to the Canucks, though. They’ve got slightly better pieces, are invested heavily in goaltending, and don’t have the insane loyalty to former players that Edmonton has. Whether or not the results are going to be better remains to be seen, but I think the problems that have made the Oilers the laughingstock of the NHL for the past 15 years are pretty unique to Edmonton.

 

I don’t mean to seem harsh, but it’s very strange to me that someone can be a general manager for five seasons, have things go as poorly as they have for the vast majority of their tenure, and have this offseason be the “make or break” moment. We have a very large sample of what players this regime likes to target in trades and free agency, and the results have been mostly pretty bad. I’m extremely skeptical that this offseason is going to be different simply because the team appears to finally be rounding a corner.

I’m not singling you out, I think it’s a fairly popular viewpoint. I just don’t really understand it. We’ve seen Jim Benning tinker with a good team, we’ve seen him tinker with a bad team, we’ve seen him with limited cap space, we’ve seen him with space to burn. The results have always been more or less the same: overspending on bottom-of-the-lineup pieces due to a mistaken belief that they can be more. I don’t see why that would suddenly change now.

  • Burnabybob

    The general tenor of this site’s commentary is unduly harsh on Jim Benning, given that the team had 1) a dearth of good prospects when he took over, save for Bo Horvat and maybe Ben Hutton 2) has been completely burned by the new draft system and has never drafted higher than 5th in the past five years, despite finishing 2nd and 3rd worst overall in two of those seasons, 3) has assembled the best collection of young players in franchise history, and 4) has improved in the standings the past two seasons.

    • apr

      These things are cyclical. This site has been comically hard on the Benning. Benning will likely lose his job after next year, they will bring in someone new, who will revolutionize the 4th line into an analytics puck control demon. They will start winning again on the backs of EP, Bo, Hughes, and Brock – and this site will smugly take claim victory of new GM like Trump does inheriting Obama’s economy.

    • Yabble Dabble

      If I am not mistaken, Benning is now the 4th longest tenured GM in Canucks history after Millford, Quinn and Burke. Given that Benning inherited a team in similar situation to Burke and a much better situation than Quinn, isn’t it enough time to judge Benning’s tenure?

      • Kootenaydude

        So how long do you think a rebuild should take? The team got over 100 points at the beginning of Bennings tenure. The owner didn’t want a true rebuild and wanted to retool on the fly. It wasn’t until the the end of Willie D that the team even started saying the word rebuild. Everyone who posts on here knows that but many forget to acknowledge that little fact. If the Canucks miss the playoffs next year. We can all complain. Myself included. Otherwise we are right where we should be and the future looks bright.

          • liqueur des fenetres

            The irony is that if Benning’s first draft wasn’t such a dud (swap Virtanen and McCann for Pastrnak and any 1 of 3 guys that went in the following 7-15 spots) and the team would be much further along today. Of course that assumes that the Gudbranson deal never happens, but with typical Canuck luck Benning would have managed to swap the Boeser pick for Lucic.

          • North Van Halen

            Just curious how you think a company works? Does the GM come in and tell the owner how to run his company? Or does the Owner tell the GM his expectations and the GM’s job is to try and do what is ordered from above.
            I have never worked at a company where the GM tells the owner the direction. I guess some owner hires a GM and say, blank cheque boys, let me know how it’s going. More say here’s what we are trying to accomplish this year, give me weekly reports on how we’re getting there.
            I’d say Aquillini is much more the 2nd type, no?

          • liqueur des fenetres

            What you overlook is that the interview process gave Benning a chance to see what kind of boss he’d be working for. He either got hired to be a leader or a yes man, but either way, the decision was Benning’s.

          • North Van Halen

            No Liq, I didn’t. That’s the job. Run the team as directed by the owner, no different than 99.99% of management jobs around the world. The GM is more than welcome to suggest their preferred tack, but ultimately owners decide the course and no amount of wishing, dreaming or stomping your feet changes that. Allegedly Gilllis wanted to tear it down and shortly after he was fired (deservedly after signing the Sedin contracts). Linden allegedly suggested 4 more years to compete, he was fired. Apparently the options with this GM job are like 99.99% of the management jobs in the world, the owner sets the course, the managers follow it.

          • Dirk22

            NVH – so as you’re suggesting, Benning didn’t want to retool on the fly but was forced to by ownership – lets say that’s the case.

            Is he not then accountable for the terrible job he did retooling on the fly? (Sutter, Gudbranson, Eriksson, Sbisa, Del Zotto, Gagner, Vey, Dorsett etc etc) – second worst record in the NHL the last 4 years – are we just ignoring that happened and hoping he suddenly gets better?

          • North Van Halen

            Dirk ,2 things, As I mentioned in another comment , the bottom out was inevitable with 10 years of crapy drafting. Everyone agrees the retool was a fool’s errand but for the 1000th time, after Gillis had signed the Sedins to $56mil in contracts months earlier the odds he was going to allow anyone running the team to tear it down were less than none. Aquillini wanted it and as important, the Sedins were owed it.
            Second, I do hold him accountable but not in the same way as you.
            Yes 2 + years were wasted chasing a fool’s errand but I was always more concerned about how he was setting us up for the next 3 years (from now) while navigating a meddling owner and a fool’s errand. Other than McCann, he hasn’t really given up much youth, he has completely rebuilt the worst amateur scouting in the history of the NHL (seriously anyone under 30 should go check how bad our drafting has been – I will always be grateful to Benning for that and you should be too!!) and since Guddy, I don’t think he’s really screwed up much.. That said this is how I feel about Benning as posted earlier, he’s on a short rope and if I he gives the impression he hasn’t learned from past mistakes I’d fire him tomorrow:

            Yeah, this is again the problem when trying to debate GMJB, there is 2 sides to this story and this black & white debate just isn’t reality.
            Jackson & the rest of the haters seem to think there was some magic solution to essentially 10 years of drafting ghosts and a meddling owner. There is no way to fill a 10 year talent gap but time and patience. This bottoming out was inevitable blaming Benning for it is straight up ridiculous.
            That said, Benning has been far from perfect. His free agent signings do leave me somewhat scared of a Simmonds/Myers summer and 2 albatross contracts. So far nothing he has done negatively affects the prime years of the future core but that could all change this summer. Also, his refusal to deal for draft picks when they are the easiest currency to flip when trying to augment the core really baffles me.
            Basically, while I don’t blame Benning for where we are now or for some of his moves, there’s been enough mistakes in the things he has done for that rope to be real short at this time. My hope is current management/ownership has learned from Guddy/Erickson and there will be a smart usage of the resources available to move us forward. My fear is nothing has been learned and a salary cap hell of our own making is ahead with a 3rd and 4th line making more than our 1st & 2nd.
            I do think Benning deserves one more off-season to finish what he started, however if I’m Aquilini I make sure he shows me where this team will be in 3 years with these moves and that he has a long term plan for keeping the team on top, not just making desperate moves to eke into the playoffs at the expense of the future.
            In other words, Benning needs to prove he can guide the ship moving forward or Aquillini should look for his replacement sooner rather than later.

          • Dirk22

            NVH – when Benning signed Loui Eriksson to a 6 year deal, the Sedins only had two years left on their contract. Two.

            Take another example, Henrik Lundqvist with the Rangers had three years left on his deal when the Rangers began dismantling their entire team last year. Not to say they are exact parallels but it shows it can be done. Add it to the pile of excuses the apologists offer up every time this debate comes around.

            Benning having a mandate to not rebuild earlier is a story people have made up to justify ineptitude – there’s no proof of it anywhere. And as I said, even if he took the job knowing he couldn’t do what he wanted, his incompetence in acquiring good NHL’ers after 5 years should be reason enough for a replacement.

            And did he completely rehaul the scouting ?? The top scouts, Brackett, Gradin and Delorme were all around when he was hired. Take away his first rounders (of which he has had 4 top 10’s) and, as of now, there are zero impact players in the NHL. Zero. Benning as a draft guru is so overstated.

          • North Van Halen

            McCann, Boesser, Trymankin, Forsling, Demko, Gaudette, Woo, Brisebois, Madden, Jasek, Palmu, DiPietro, Gadjovich, Lind. Rathbone. All drafted after 20, all either in the NHL or with a chance.
            Now go back the 48 years of our franchise, find one instance where there was even half that level of success after the top 20 in a 5 year stretch(hint, you won’t find anything close). Since he did it with essentially the same staff Gillis completely whiffed air with for 5 years (Hutton, thats it) just shows how much we should appreciate what he’s done.
            You mean the evidence that 2 people that have told Aqullini he needs to burn it down are both no longer employed in hockey isn’t proof? Sure man. Why is it so hard to believe our owner meddles when all indications are he does.
            If you honestly believe Aquillini signed the Sedins then was going to be amenable to a plan where pursuing the playoffs wasn’t priority 1, I don’t know what to say but I don’t believe in Unicorns either

          • Dirk22

            ‘Impact’ player does not equal played in the NHL (although that list you gave doesn’t even include all NHL’ers..and you needed to throw in 2 first rounders!)

            I’ll give you some examples of ‘impact players’ drafted after the first round from 2014-2018:

            Ana – Montour – 2nd
            TB – Point – 3rd
            Nash – Arvedsson – 4th
            SJ – Kevin Lebanc – 6th
            Car – Aho – 2nd
            STL – Dunn – 2nd
            TBay – Cirelli – 3rd
            Chi – Debrincat – 2nd
            NJ – Bratt – 6th

            Who does Vancouver have that compares to any of those? At this point the answer is zero. No one even close. That could change for sure but until it does Benning’s drafting should only be viewed as ‘fine’ or ‘pretty good.’

          • North Van Halen

            That’s fine. Pretty good is still miles better than cover your eyes frickin awful of the last 48 years. I’ve seen them all. Our drafting has sucked for every one of them until Benning. Every one. The 2011 team was almost a miracle because every decent prospect hit & exceeded expectation, Kesler, Burrows, Hansen, Raymond, Bieksa, Edler & the Sedins, were all the prospects we had during that era and they all exceeded expectations and it’s the only time we’ve had a decent core built through the draft. Even then, once they graduated the void was filled with air.
            Seriously, look into this clubs history, our drafting record for the entirety of our existence. There’s a reason for 0 cups and it starts there. So finally a guy comes and makes it so our drafts aren’t an exercise in futility, and clearly it’s not that easy or someone else woulda done it before now. But they couldn’t so apparently it isn’t easy, so I’m appreciative. That said, if Benning’s plan is to ask Aquillini for the rest of the cap space to sign Myers or Simmonds or Ferland, I’d be all for Aquillini firing him before he left the office.
            It’s about learning from your mistakes, if he has great give him a chance. If he hasn’t he can be the chief scout on Gillis management team in Seattle and don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out..

      • Burnabybob

        I’m not sure that Benning’s situation was “much better” than Quinn’s. Benning’s situation was more confusing, since the team had a winning record his first season and gave the impression that a “retool” might be sufficient. Quinn also did not have to deal with the salary cap, and trades were far more common in the late 1980’s, allowing his real talent to shine. Quinn also didn’t have to deal with a stupid draft lottery. When the Canucks finished second from worst overall in 1988, they got the second pick overall. Same in 1990.

        • Yabble Dabble

          I’m actually not anti-Benning. I just don’t think that it can be denied that after all this time a person can argue that it isn’t his team. As for Quinn, yes he did have an easier system to navigate but there can be no doubt he had less chips on the table to deal with. Those 80s teams were dim in talent and prospects.

    • FairPM

      I just *love* how benning gets all the flak for all the Linden-ING moves and Linden gets off Scott free for it all. Is it a coincidence that the team outperformed this year in linden’s absence?

    • tyhee

      I think that you’re expressing the general feeling of the commenters on this site (so I’ll get a lot of trashes for disagreeing) but, to use your framework, given

      Given: 1. the dearth of good players after the top few; 2. the high draft picks Benning has had every season but one because they were the worst team in the league over the three year period 2015-2018 (now 2nd worst in the four year period 2015-2019); 3) the numerous poor draft picks after the top few that worked out and 4) the plummetting in the standings from 101 pts in 2014-2015 to 69 pts in 2016-17, followed by small, Oilers-like improvements to 73 pts and 81 pts in the 2 seasons since, 5) the fact that the best players on the team are made up of Edler, Tanev, Horvat, Markstrom (all pre-Benning acquisitions), and three first round picks that the Canucks exercised from 2014-18, and 5) the horrid performance of the Comets, the team being filled with bottom pair defencemen and bottom six forwards and the continued acquisition of these players via trade and free agency

      I’d say this site has been fair to Benning, while much of the rest of the media has been exceptionally lenient.

      Pettersson, Horvat, Boeser and Hughes are a great start, but after them there are a few ok pieces and then the bottom drops out.

      Imo as time goes on the effect of the drafting of the Gillis years decreases. When the Canucks have chosen to sign and trade for Erik Gudbranson, Luca Sbisa, Loui Eriksson, Brandon Prust, Matt Barkowski, Tim Schaller, Ryan Spooner (in trade for another acquisition, Sam Gagner,) Michael del Zotto, Brandon Sutter et al, some responsibility for the stage of the team has to be laid at the door of the guy who’s been in charge for five years.

      Five years may be a short time to do a complete turn around, but surely in that time more is possible than hitting it right on three of your six first round picks when you’ve been picking high because of bad finishes.

      • Five years may be a short time to do a complete turn around, but surely in that time more is possible than hitting it right on three of your six first round picks when you’ve been picking high because of bad finishes.

        Just ran some pivot tables and I can’t agree with this statement. I grabbed draft statistics from EliteProspects and looked at all of Benning’s 1st round picks and adjacent picks (prior 6 and subsequent 6 picks). I wanted to see how Benning’s picks fared relatively other similar picks. I decided to use sum of career points (note that this is a player’s career, not what team their own because this was a 5 min analysis, takes too long to hunt for and verify accurate data for 73 draft picks). Here’s what the data shows, by year:

        2014 (Virtanen) – Out of 12 draft picks, Virtanen was 10th. Below average pick.
        2014 (McCann) – Out of 13 draft picks, McCann was 4th. Above average pick. One pick did not play NHL games (Connor Bleackley).

        2015 (Boeser) – Out of 11 draft picks, Boeser was 4th. Above average pick. One pick did not play NHL games (Ilya Samsonov).

        2016 (Juolevi) – Out of 11 draft picks, Juolevi is the only one that hasn’t played NHL games. Below average pick.* (*I do not consider Juolevi a bust but is below average using the points measure).

        2017 (Pettersson) – Out of 11 draft picks, Pettersson was 2nd. Above average pick. Two picks did not play NHL games (Cale Makar, Cody Glass). (Note that if one considers Juolevi a bust then Makar and Glass is as well?)

        2018 (Hughes) – Out of 12 draft picks, Hughes was 6th. Above average pick. Five picks did not play NHL games. (Note that Hughes only played 5 games compared to full seasons for Tkachuk, Dahlin, Svechnikov, and Kotkaniemi).

        I’m not sure what you’re definition of “hitting it right” is but if we look at some data, we can see that Benning was above average in 4 out of 6, with some significant qualifications. First, this is only a quick analysis of raw point production. I think it’s far to say Pettersson is superior to Hischier but points wise, Petterson does not outrank him. So some quality is missing. Second, players that hasn’t registered an NHL game yet are not necessarily a bust. I would consider Juolevi a success or bust but an “N/A” until he plays.

        Based on this quick analysis, Benning was generally above average in his 1st round picks. Virtanen was sub-optimal but not a bust. Juolevi is still be determined (although I would have drafted Tkachuk). Trading McCann was a mistake but is above average given his draft position – hard to say since he played on different teams but at least Benning drafted a player that fared better than higher or similar picks (e.g. Dal Colle, Fleury, Scherbak, Quenneville)

        • tyhee

          You’ve done a good job of making your point, but it answers something different from the point I was making.

          I wasn’t saying he’d drafted badly in the first round. I was saying that was about all he’d done right was those three first round picks.

          There’s more to job performance than the first round of the draft.

    • Dirk22

      Burnaby Bob – are you really nice complaining about the Canucks draft capital?! With reference to where they’ve made their first pick they’ve had the 4th best draft position over Bennings tenure….and guess what…the other teams around them have also put together a collection of good young talent. It’s inevitable when you’re bad…hence Team Tank. Benning has punched above his weight on a couple picks for sure but the overall drafting grade would be a B at best. Its also very common when you’re good to have a shallow pool of prospects – see Capitals and Penguins. This shouldn’t need to be explained.

  • canuckfan

    When has Benning ever been able to tinker with a good team? If it was the year they made the playoffs I would argue that they were not a good team at that time and it was Miller who got them to the first round not a good team.

    • Goon

      They made the playoffs that year *in spite* of Miller, who struggled and posted below-league-average numbers. He was better the following year but the rest of the team was a tire fire.

    • Goon

      It’s actually more arguable that Eddie Lack got them into the playoffs, not Miller. Lack and Miller both played about 40 games that season, with Lack posting a .921 sv% and Miller posting a .911 sv%. Team save percentage for the season between both goalies was right around the league average of .915, which suggests the team made the playoffs on their own merits, not because of elite goaltending.

  • ClassOF2011

    The ONLY question that needs to be asked is how in the HELL can EIGHT NHL teams (so far) clean house one day after the regular season ended and the Canucks are not one of them??!!

    Seriously, how can Benning (especially), Green, Brown and Baumgartner still be in jobs while almost one third of the league are already taking out their trash. It’s totally unbelievable.

    • Killer Marmot

      Because the Canucks had a good season, considering where they were at the start of it. They exceeded most pundits’ expectations, and the team looks stronger now than in the fall. There are pretty good reasons to feel optimist.

      I haven’t gone through the complete list of the fallen, but I suspect almost all were on teams that performed below expectations this season.

      If the Canucks don’t make further progress next season, then you might see some house cleaning.

      • ClassOF2011

        Really marmit REALLY!? – is the bar so fc..uk-ing low that 25th place and no playoffs again (for four straight years) is acceptable because it ‘exceeded pundits expectations’…

        How about the GM’s expectations Marmit…

        This is year 2 and by our 4th (2017-18) or 5th (2018-19) I hope and expect that we are right there with the elite teams in the league” – Benning

        “I’m not a patient person. We expect to win because we hate losing. I can’t watch losing hockey. I can’t.” – Benning

        “The bottom line is our goal is win games and to be competitive to make the playoffs. That’s what we’re here for.” – Benning

        Yes Marmit, after five years under Benning this team has finished bottom third in the league, 25th in Goals for, 22nd on the PP, 17th in GA and a MINUS 29 in goal diff ffs. They have some of the worst 5v5 and advanced metrics in the league.

        WAKE UP ffs, or are you just another non-game going troll who just wants a game to watch on TV? If so, at least show some respect to those who support this trainwreck franchise with their hard earned cash guy!

        • Killer Marmot

          If they wanted to fire Benning, they would have done so at the end of last season. But to keep Benning one more year, and then to fire him at the end of it after the club has taken a big step forward, makes no sense.

          And that’s M-a-r-m-o-t to you.

          • Goon

            Last year the Canucks had 31 regulation and overtime wins, and finished 26th. This year they had 29 regulation and overtime wins, and finished 23rd.

            I’m not sure that constitutes a “big step forward”.

          • Killer Marmot

            Last year the Canucks had 31 regulation and overtime wins, and finished 26th. This year they had 29 regulation and overtime wins, and finished 23rd.

            This year they had 35 regulation and overtime wins.

            But progress isn’t just measured in games. The Canucks introduced Pettersson, Demko, and Hughes into the lineup, all of which may one day be considered elite players.

          • Alex G

            Too often people judge the progress and results of the team by points improvement from the previous year. As I pointed out on another site, I think we need to look at progress in more relative terms. What’s matters most is where your team winds up in the standings relative to other teams. In short, they need to do better than their competition.

            There was a lot more parity this year in the Western Conference. Last season the Canucks missed the playoffs by 22 points. This year they missed it by 9 points. That is a pretty good trajectory and there’s little reason to believe that they won’t keep improving as their younger players continue grow and improve. JB still has plenty of work to do, but this off-season and draft will be very interesting, much more so than the last few years. This team finally appears to be turning the corner, and it will be exciting to watch this team progress even more next season.

          • TD

            I would judge The season as ampn improvement because of who led the team. Yes Edler and Markstrom had good years, but the team was led by Bo, Brock and Pettersson. Last year the Sedins had 50 and 55 point seasons in their retirement year. Vanek and other players that won’t be part of the future were also amongst the leading scorers. Beyond the big 3, Virtanen, Pearson and Leivo all put up mid teens for goals. Even the much maligned Granlund put up 12, which is good 4th line production. The team needs more talent, but they outperformed last year with the kids led the charge.

          • Goon

            Uh… Marmot… you might want to double check that.

            Canucks had 35 regulation, overtime, and shootout wins. They had 29 ROWs. Last year they won more games in regulation and overtime, but won zero shootouts.

          • MM

            Plus addition through subtraction like Guddy. Also i think we have a decent 3rd line now with Gaudette leivo and pearson. none of which existed at the start of the year

      • Freud

        Killer Marmot thinks having the worst scoring chance differential in the league means “the Canucks had a good season.” The pundits said they would not be good. How is having the worst collection of skaters in the league exceeding most pundit’s predictions?

        They were near the bottom in differential in the beginning. They were near the bottom in middle. They were near the bottom in the end. They were near the bottom when healthy, they were near the bottom when they were injured. They even ended up at the very bottom with a marvellous season from Pettersson that few saw coming.

        The team had the worst collection of skaters in the league. Adding Hughes and two more Benning type players in free agency might move the differential needle to 25th in the league? Add in similar goaltending and the team can finish 19th in the standings! Hooray! Just what they need, with no real impact prospects in the pipeline.

        • Killer Marmot

          I have this image of you rummaging through the dozens of different team statistics available trying to find which ones the Canucks are the worst in, and coming back with that one lone cherry in your basket.

          • Kootenaydude

            Bahahahaha! That’s funny but you know it’s soooo true. Kinda reminds me of a baseball commentator trying to come up with a stat to make the Blue Jays sound like a good team.

          • Freud

            lol!

            Says the person who graced us with their “20 goal scorer model”.

            Your model assured us the team would continue to be elite during the 2015-2016 season.

        • Hooray! Just what they need, with no real impact prospects in the pipeline.

          That’s right because it’s better to have theoretical impact prospects in the pipeline than actual impact players on the roster (i.e. Horvat, Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes, Demko).

          • Freud

            ? What kind of simplistic reply is this?

            With all those “impact players” on the roster – still 31st in the league in scoring chances.

            So, what’s next? Internal improvement from 31st to top 5?

          • It’s ironic that you’re saying I’m simplistic when you’re saying we have the “worst collection of skaters in the league” while only quoting a “scoring chance differential” statistic. Using traditional measures such as league points, player/goaltender statistics, and advanced metrics, we’re not “worst collection of skaters in the league”.

            Pettersson is the presumptive Calder trophy winner. Boeser was a nominee last year. Horvat led the league in face-offs taken. Markstrom was 5th in TOI and had GAA/SV% and Quality Start % comparable to Price, Dubnyk, Hellebuyck and Fleury (the only goaltenders who played more). Hughes and Demko had very good statistics despite the low number of games played. Gaudette was 19th overall in scoring for players who averaged 4th line minutes (<11 mins TOI) and played more than 5 games. We were 5th in man-games lost to injury (based on non-retired cap hit).

            Not going to dispute that we're bottom 10 in the league in many team categories but we're trending upwards and none of our core players are even close to reaching their prime yet.

          • Freud

            26th in score adjusted corsi
            27th in Fenwick
            27th in shot share
            28th in 5 on 5 goal differential
            28th in expected goals for
            30th in high danger goal differential

            I like scoring chance differential the best. Hockey at it’s basic core is about creating and limiting scoring chances. Goalies and luck decide if the puck goes in or not. So if you’re the worst at doing the basics of hockey, you’re the worst.

            There’s lots of evidence they are a very bad team with every decent prospect already playing except Hughes. But you only want to focus not he fact they might not be the very worst? Yay! At least we have that.

            And I hate to burst your bubble, but Horvat and Boeser are in their prime. They aren’t bringing much more.

            If you think 3 other young guys can pull a team out of the bottom 5 by just getting to their prime, you’re going to be heartbroken, Edmonton style.

          • Freud, while I can’t disagree against statistics, what I will do is refer to leading indicators. Are the Canucks bad? Yes, they’re bottom third in pretty much every category. Will they stay bad, regress, or get better? My answer is, they will get better.

            You think Boeser and Horvat have peaked. Moreover, you’re assuming that Pettersson has peaked. You’re assuming that other players like Gaudette and Demko won’t be factors or better than the stop-gap players or mistakes that Benning made (e.g. Eriksson). You ignore the prospect pool that’s still in development (e.g. Woo, Madden, DiPietro, Rathbone, Juolevi, hopefully Lockwood, Lind, etc.).

            Your assumption that every player must be an impact player (because every other team has every prospect turn into an impact player immediately) is pretty delusional. You can run with whatever narrative you want but you have grasp of the context or current direction of Benning’s tenure.

  • Killer Marmot

    Convince me the Canucks aren’t the embodiment of the 2010 Oilers. A few good young pieces, not much else…

    The Canucks could use a few more elite players to really compete. Hopefully this year’s draft will help with that. But they have decent secondary scoring among their forwards. Beyond Pettersson, Boeser, and Horvat, there are maybe ten forwards who could plausibly put up more than 25 points in a season, and some considerably more. I expect the team to lose one or two this summer, but forward depth is pretty decent, and I think Benning is intent on preserving that. The Canucks went through a couple years of filling the bottom lines with AHL players, and I don’t think Benning enjoyed it.

      • Killer Marmot

        I don’t recall what I said back then, but I’m deeply flattered that you remember my ancient comments. I imagine you keep some of them pinned up next to your Justin Bieber poster.

        • Freud

          I recall, it’s hard not to because the posts were legendary in their stupidity.

          You’re the chief cheerleader and excuse maker here. You’re unforgettable for all the wrong reasons.

          Your insistence the team was on the right track was endless back in 2015. I pointed out endless concerns.

          The pattern continues today.

          We all know you pretend to not remember because you’re too embarrassed.

          Now counter with some evidence of your own, instead of deflecting with replies like this….

          • Killer Marmot

            Do you have the slightest inkling of how pathetic you are, going through other people’s ancient posts so that you can triumphantly call them on it? It’s moronic, there’s no other word.

          • Freud

            Killer? I asked you to counter my claim with your own evidence instead of deflecting. You wrote a second “poor me” deflecting post? I’m sorry I broke you.

            First you said you didn’t remember the 20 goal model, now you’re claiming I dug it up? Which is it buddy? I didn’t dig anything up. It is just tattooed on my brain because it was stunningly, what’s the word, ah yes, “pathetic”.

            You were proven a fool then. You’ll excuse me when I dismiss your unfounded claims secondary scoring won’t be a problem next season as well.

            If you can’t handle the heat, stop insisting everything is OK.

  • Killer Marmot

    We have a very large sample of what players this regime likes to target in trades and free agency, and the results have been mostly pretty bad.

    I’ve been impressed with Bennings’ dealings in the last year or so. I didn’t like the Gudbranson re-signing last spring, but since then he’s been solid.

    There haven’t been any block busters. Benning has been playing small ball, preferring a series of singles rather than swinging for the fences. But Roussel, Pearson, Leivo, Motte, and Schenn were all acquired without giving up much in return, and in aggregate they’ve made a considerable difference.

    Schaller hasn’t worked out too well, but the damage is minimal. The Beagle contract is too long for my taste, but again the risk isn’t extraordinary. I think smaller deals suit Benning.

    • FairPM

      Anybody who thinks the canucks did not exceed expectations needs to really assess their expectations of the team. Did you honestly think they were going to make the playoffs with that roster?

      • ClassOF2011

        Can you not READ or COMPREHEND troll, or are you just that dumb…

        “The bottom line is our goal is win games and to be competitive to make the playoffs. That’s what we’re here for.” – Benning’s OWN WORDS

        “”Our goal is to be a playoff team. We came up a little short this year.” – Benning 2 days ago!

        Hello, helloooooooo, HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Marvin101

    benning has passed on trotz, gallant and now quennville. jimbo undermined linden and he’s deathly afraid of a highly regarded coach undermining himself.

    • FairPM

      So he undermined Linden to produce a season that exceeded most ppl’s expectations… I don’t buy the Linden claim that he wanted to rebuild from the start. If he did, nmc vets would have been traded a long time ago. The prez does not let the GM call the shots on trades and free agent signings for 3 years before quitting. It’s the other way around. But ppl love Linden and he’s their choir boy…

        • DJ_44

          …..and yet Ed still has yet to develop a solid narrative as to the differences Linden was advocating for versus what Benning has said and done this season.

          The whole “accelerating the rebuild” made zero sense at the time, and makes even less sense today.

  • Freud

    If a team is the worst in the league over 3 seasons, and a train wreck over 5, they will naturally accumulate prospects due to the high draft picks. To credit Benning for this is ludicrous. To ignore the fact Benning was trying to compete while becoming the worst team in the league is also foolish and ignorant.

    You can argue move by move. The issue is Benning’s decision making process. He is uneducated and ignorant. His public statements contradict previous statements. He makes moves based on antiquated notions that have been empirically proven mythical. But he still believes in those notions and shows no penchant for change.

    Even the most ignorant GM will have the odd move work out in his favour. To point them out as some sort of justification that he knows what he’s doing just makes Vancouver the next Edmonton. Fans cheerleading garbage and lapping up the owner’s messages just enables this team to continue down the wrong path.

    • Bud Poile

      “To ignore the fact Benning was trying to compete while becoming the worst team in the league is also foolish and ignorant.”Freud

      Benning’s overall record
      175 W 186 L 49 T/O/TL
      410 GP 399 Points

      Within three years and without lottery luck this team has been mostly rebuilt and is competitive.

      • Goon

        It’s interesting that you think 29 ROWs (tied with last-place Ottawa), a 23rd place finish, sub-.500 even with the loser point, and ten points out of a playoff spot in a year that required the fewest points to actually make the playoffs in the West in over a decade, is competitive.

  • wojohowitz

    Too many blame Benning but Aquilini wanted the quick turnaround and Benning spent his first couple of years trying to do the near impossible.

    Then there`s Linden as president – a novice that Aquilini could manipulate until he quit. Aquilini does not want an experienced hockey executive taking control – for him no president or a figurehead is better.

    It could always be worse like Melnyk and Dorion in Ottawa.

    • DeL

      Not much. The Canucks are a toy that Francesco’s daddy bought for him. Unfortunately for us he hasn’t tired of it like most children do when they get a shiny new bauble

      • liqueur des fenetres

        To say that Benning picked Virtanen because he was forced to by ownership basically says that you think Benning’s a lackey. At least those critical of Benning take issue with his moves, not his character.

        • Defenceman Factory

          Yes because anyone who has had to do something they didn’t agree with because their boss insisted is of low character.

          That is absolutely ridiculous.

          • liqueur des fenetres

            What’s ridiculous is that an owner hires a guy to be GM and then tells him who to draft, and that GM sticks around so he can be told to do more things.

          • TD

            LDF, there were only 30 GM jobs then, soon to be 32. I would stick around, wouldn’t you? Maybe Ken Holland wouldn’t, but any former assistant GM getting his first chance would take the job and put up with owner interference. Are you really trying to say you would quit as an NHL GM and lose that rare job and 7 figure salary?

        • Kootenaydude

          Why don’t you Twitter McLean or Burke on sportsnet and ask them if the owner made a decision they didn’t agree with, but had to do it anyways. Then your question would be answered by a real GM.

  • Bud Poile

    “Last year the Canucks had 31 regulation and overtime wins, and finished 26th.
    This year they had 29 regulation and overtime wins, and finished 23rd.
    I’m not sure that constitutes a “big step forward”.” Goon
    2018-19: 35W 36L 11 T 81 Pts
    2017-18: 31W 40L 11T 73 Pts
    No Sedins.
    No Vanek.
    No Dorsett.
    Veterans Tanev(27 games),Sutter(56 games) and Edler(26 games) injuries.
    19 year old rookie playing 2C.
    Rookie Goalie played 9 games.
    A total of nine young players that are defined as NHL rookies were introduced into the Canucks lineup.

    This season was “transitional or a leap forward” for all these reasons.

    • ClassOF2011

      Re: This season was “*transitional* or a leap forward”.

      “The team is *rebuilt* and competitive within just two down years. From talent waster/franchise destroyer to rebuilt,exciting hockey squad in record time.” – Dud Poile

      “All that matters is the playoffs” – Dud Poile

      WTF!!!… troll, liar, hypocrite, idiot, concussed….
      … or all of the above? Seriously wtf???????????

      Go away and DO NOT come back clown, as Jackson has already told you!

        • ClassOF2011

          Damn right I’m angry punk. Sick of the losing, lies, excuses, no playoffs and YOUR trolling BS double-talk. It’s time you left, and that’s NO JOKE.

          “The volcano has nothing to do with Ubud – hours away. I’m going to the beach for lunch, buy a fuc’ing clue” – Bud Poile

          Yesterday and last night in UBud it was very rainy with strong winds and the air is thick with volcanic ash clouds. In Ubud, we witnessed people wearing masks to protect themselves from the ash that was billowing into the air and crossing the region – CBC News Report the same DAY!

          What a pathetic little sh*tstain you are.

          • Wanda Fuca

            It is unfortunate that you are so angry, sad, and lonely, but we didn’t do this to you. If all you can do is dish out abuse, you need to get counselling. Only an extremely damaged person behaves as badly as you do in almost every post. I can’t imagine how unpleasant it must be to be you. The misery. The rage. The delusional belief that everyone but you is a fool, that no other viewpoint but yours is valid, that you have entered into some kind of exclusive contract with the truth. None of it is real. We all know it. Just stop. Get help.

          • ClassOF2011

            Go back to your Habs creep… you said you were done here, but here you are back and WHINING with your #fakenews again. Who needs help again…………… :-p

  • Beer Can Boyd

    Unless you are blind, or a willful contrarian (and there are several of those on here), I think we can agree that the team now is far more competitive and fun to watch on a nightly basis than they have been over the past 4 seasons. The RGW years were unbearable. Many players made substantial strides in their play this year, including Hutton, Stecher, Leivo, Markstromm, Motte, Gaudette, Virtanen, and Roussel. The young guns all had decent years, and the 4 stars are still reaching their prime. Baertschi, Pearson, and Edler had bounce back years. Goaltending looks to be set for the next few years, pending a new deal for Marky. Obviously some changes still needed, I’d be happy to see the backs of Tanev, Granlund, Spooner, Sutter, Goldobin (he had his chances), Pouliot and Schaller. I’d also like to see Baumgartner and Newell Brown shown the door. The biggest concern is GM Benning making another stupid free agent signing.Please, no Tyler Myers 6 year deal! Excited for the draft, a top 5 pick would be sweet.

    • Beefus

      Unfortunately due to the unfair NHL draft lottery system the Canucks have zero chance of landing the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, or 8th picks. Time for a change to the draft lottery.

      • Fred-65

        The worse part of the draft is frankly we’ve maybe seen the end of our top 5 drafting position. From now one it’s going to mediocrity and draft pick in the 20th slot. Our opportunity of hitting a home run is diminished after this year. This year we will not get a step right in a player, more like someone that’s going to 2-3 years away.

    • North Van Halen

      Yeah, this is again the problem when trying to debate GMJB, there is 2 sides to this story and this black & white debate just isn’t reality.
      Jackson & the rest of the haters seem to think there was some magic solution to essentially 10 years of drafting ghosts and a meddling owner. There is no way to fill a 10 year talent gap but time and patience. This bottoming out was inevitable blaming Benning for it is straight up ridiculous.
      That said, Benning has been far from perfect. His free agent signings do leave me somewhat scared of a Simmonds/Myers summer and 2 albatross contracts. So far nothing he has done negatively affects the prime years of the future core but that could all change this summer. Also, his refusal to deal for draft picks when they are the easiest currency to flip when trying to augment the core really baffles me.
      Basically, while I don’t blame Benning for where we are now or for some of his moves, there’s been enough mistakes in the things he has done for that rope to be real short at this time. My hope is current management/ownership has learned from Guddy/Erickson and there will be a smart usage of the resources available to move us forward. My fear is nothing has been learned and a salary cap hell of our own making is ahead with a 3rd and 4th line making more than our 1st & 2nd.
      I do think Benning deserves one more off-season to finish what he started, however if I’m Aquilini I make sure he shows me where this team will be in 3 years with these moves and that he has a long term plan for keeping the team on top, not just making desperate moves to eke into the playoffs at the expense of the future.
      In other words, Benning needs to prove he can guide the ship moving forward or Aquillini should look for his replacement sooner rather than later.

      • Fred-65

        The best thing going for JB is Markstrom game has taken a turn for the better. A good goalie can be the difference between success and failure. Benning will get this year I’m thinking and I’m OK with that but just make sure the one glimmer of life the team has … Judd Brackett remains

  • Fred-65

    When it comes to coaching Florida has just hired Quennville, Vcr sticks with Green. Last year The Isles went with Trotz who despite losing Taveres made huge progress. So next season who progresses the most Green or Quennville

    • ClassOF2011

      Great post Fred, and bang on. EIGHT teams have fired failed coaches already and we arent one!!!!… and let’s not forget only TWO GMs in the history of the Canucks have failed to make the playoffs in FOUR straight seasons… Jim BENNING……….. and the other was Bud Poile – oh the irony. :-p

        • Kootenaydude

          There are too many variables with the Panthers regarding free agents. Otherwise Quenville will make Florida better. Our youth will also get better. Still sticking to my guns. Both teams will have an equal increase in points. Not gonna lie. I wanted Quenville too, but complaining about it. Won’t give us Quenville

    • LemonHart

      To answer your question Fred, Florida.
      However I think most people would agree at this stage Florida has a better group of players than the Canucks do.
      And even though the Islanders made a big improvement under Trotz, that isn’t any guarantee that would have happened in Vancouver under him. Maybe NYI were greatly underachieving and he was able to make them reach their potential. But if that potential doesn’t exist then no amount of coaching is going to make it exist. It’s the great unknown when trying to determine what’s what with teams.

  • Macksonious

    Benning tinkered with a good team?

    False: The Canucks weren’t a good team anymore.

    He tinkered (in 2014) with an aging team that was past its best before date, one that was overdue for a rebuild.

    To his credit, they got back into the playoffs that season. Unfortunately, they (ownership and management) chose the wrong direction.

    Thanks to some solid drafting, this franchise is in much better shape now. Hopefully, they’ve learned from this.

    • Jim "Dumpster Fire" Benning

      I like your last sentence. Just imagine where the team would be without half the bottom 6 redundancy and #5-9 dmen and a bunch more draft picks the past 3yrs….

  • Jim "Dumpster Fire" Benning

    “We’ve seen Jim Benning tinker with a good team, we’ve seen him tinker with a bad team, we’ve seen him with limited cap space, we’ve seen him with space to burn. The results have always been more or less the same: overspending on bottom-of-the-lineup pieces due to a mistaken belief that they can be more. I don’t see why that would suddenly change now.”

    100% correct

    Nothing in his 5 years here points to a change in thinking. That’s what’s just so sad.

    Refuses to give consideration to expanding front office.
    Cannot find a way in 5 years to accumulate additional draft picks.
    Is clueless to the issues surrounding Utica and player development.
    Ect….ect…ect…

    • Freud

      Just heard Jim was blaming injuries only 7 seconds into his year end press conference today.

      Just like he did in April 2016, April 2017 and April 2017. In September 2017, September 2018 he also assured us he felt he had addressed the depth issues to deal with injuries. He appears too stoopid and weak to remember his own statements.

      It’s so hard to listen to someone so weak.

      His response? – I think we need to re-sign our 33 year old, often injured defenceman. A three year contract would be good. That’s 3 years of injury excuse protection!

      • Jim "Dumpster Fire" Benning

        He stated this morning that “winning teams have players between 26-35 in age”. His head is stuck in 1990’s NHL thinking pre salary cap

        • Freud

          Here’s the headline out of LA today..

          “I did a bad job.” Kings GM Rob Blake took responsibility for the Kings’ miserable season, and now he must find a new coach and flush the team’s attitude of entitlement.

          Benning made an excuse 7 seconds into his first answer.

          Rob Blake acted like a man when he played and acted like a man today. Benning played like a mouse and acted like a mouse today.

        • Bucket

          Maybe he is just casting his mind back simply to last year when the Caps won the cup with Ovi 35 years, Holtby 29, Wilson 25, Backstrom 31, Oshie 32, Carlson 29, Orpik 37, etc. I think you left your brain in the 90s.

          • Jim "Dumpster Fire" Benning

            Good to see you did 30 seconds of research to go all the way back to…..last year, also known as the one outlier of the past 10 years. Well done clap clap clap. And look, you have 5 cheers from other Benning apologists that always rush to each others defence and immediately go rogue and bring up Gillis when Benning gets slammed with hard facts.

            From PITB (now you can go and deflect on your opinion of their articles instead of focusing on the simple facts stated ha ha):

            “When the Penguins won the Cup in 2009, Jordan Staal was 20, Sidney Crosby and Kris Letang were 21, Evgeni Malkin was 22, and Marc-Andre Fleury was 24. They were supported by veterans like the 38-year-old Bill Guerin, 34-year-old Sergei Gonchar, and the 30-year-old Ruslan Fedotenko, but the core of that team was 20-24.

            When the Blackhawks won the Cup in 2010, Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane were 21, Niklas Hjalmarsson was 22, Kris Versteeg was 23, and Troy Brouwer, Andrew Ladd, Brent Seabrook, and Dustin Byfuglien were 24. Again, they had some great veterans like 28-year-old Patrick Sharp, 31-year-old Marian Hossa, and 26-year-old Duncan Keith (who barely fits into the 26-35 bracket), but the majority of their best players were 21-24.

            Then there’s the Bruins in 2011, which is a touchy subject in Vancouver. They had an older team in general, with 33-year-old Zdeno Chara anchoring their defence, 36-year-old Tim Thomas in net, and 42-year-old Mark Recchi at forward. You look at their leading scorers, however, and you see a lot of youth.

            Brad Marchand and Milan Lucic were 22. Also, they had 19-year-old Tyler Seguin in a supporting role. David Krejci led them in scoring in the playoffs at 24. Patrice Bergeron was 25, as was Nathan Horton. Describing the Bruins as 26-35 would miss a huge chunk of their best players that led them to the Stanley Cup.

            The Kings in 2012 were a bit of an older team too, but they were led in scoring in the regular season and playoffs by Anze Kopitar, who was 24. Drew Doughty was 22. Those are arguably the two best players on the team and the most important to their Cup win, apart from 26-year-old Jonathan Quick. It would be bizarre to describe the 2012 Kings as being 26-35.”

  • MM

    I think Benning’s last 2 signings (Leivo and Pearson) are a good sign of a change in the right direction. They may still be 3rd liners on a good team, but we definitely did not over pay for them. I think like many here on the site, we are just hoping he doesnt go out and sign Myers to a 6 year deal for $7 per… or maybe sign Myers at all! His record is shoddy, but his last 2 signings are going in an encouraging direction.

    • Freud

      Goldobin last 25 games played: 3 goals 3 assists 359:46 TOI
      Leivo last 25 games played: 3 goals 3 assists 451:12 TOI

      Leivo – 49gp/ 18pts playing with Pettersson
      Leipsic – 45 gp/ 18pts playing with Iafallo

      • North Van Halen

        Goldobin last 25 games played: 3 goals 3 assists 359:46 TOI cheats defensively, puts up 3rd/4th line points while being diaper soft to play against
        Leivo last 25 games played: 3 goals 3 assists 451:12 TOI – plays hard & in both ends, not a dream to play against

        Leivo – 49gp/ 18pts playing with Pettersson – see above
        Leipsic – 45 gp/ 18pts playing with Iafallo cheats defensively, puts up 3rd/4th line points while being diaper soft to play against

        fixed it for you

    • Dirk22

      Leivo was basically put in Benning’s lap by Dubas because he knew he’d play here in Vancouver.

      Pearson was the take back in a salary dump – getting rid of Guddy’s contract.

      Both improvements on this roster but hardly due to Benning targeting players.

      • You have to give Benning some credit for at least acquiring Leivo We got him for a career AHL guy. Dubas could have traded Leivo to other teams because Leivo was deemed to be a real steal as a potential Top 9 player. Benning built a good relationship with Dubas and was on the ball when he had to make the deal.

        With Gudbranson, Benning was never the instigator on either deal. Tallon suggested a Gudbranson trade and Rutherford wanted Gudbranson. I think we were lucky to get anything back at all, the fact that we got Pearson on the cheap was a nice outcome. But I will give Benning failing marks on both Gudbranson trades for being passive.

        • Freud

          Give Benning credit for Leivo? Dubas gave Leivo the option to pick his team. He picked Vancouver because they were so weak and he’d get minutes. Dubas gave him away to do a sold for Leivo. Giving Benning credit is ridiculous.

          Benning gave up Leipsic to make a roster spot for Leivo. Leipsic outscored Leivo. Leipsic played fewer minutes with lesser players.

          • What is your source for Leivo’s input? Benning took advantage of Nylander’s situation, Dubas had a day to clear a roster spot. Leipsic had potential and had some highlight reel stuff but he’s a liability on a regular basis that doesn’t use his teammates. Not sad to see Leipsic go and would rather have the bigger, harder working Leivo.

      • FairPM

        Classic. No credit for a good move but all the credit for a bad move… Just the same as ppl giving Delorme for drafting pettersson. Yes, that Delorme that missed consistently for several years

      • Locust

        You are the epitome of how sucky this site is. Run by a spineless wonder, supported by trolls and douches who are laughingly small in every sense of the word.
        Take your lifetime of participation medals and try the other hand, you know, it’ll be like you have a girlfriend.

  • Kanuckhotep

    Consider how many man-games some of the contending teams in the NHL have played together as opposed to the Canucks. Stammer/Kucherov/Hedman/ or Pavelski/Vlasik/Burns or Ovie/Backstrom/Holtby have played together for 100s of games and it shows. Petey, Brock and QH have precious little time played together in comparison but we’ve all seen their 3 on 3 magic. Already. There is much to look forward to for 19-20. Now Jim Benning and Travis Green gotta get it right.

  • LTFan

    I have just read through the posts on this site. What is disturbing is all the sniping, backstabbing, name calling etc. between a number of posters. The site should be for intelligent discussion on the various issues raised and responded to by Jackson. Different opinions are fine but what some of you say about other posters is plain dumb.

    Jackson and Ryan should warn some of the dumb commentators and if they continue – ban them. There are some good commentators with constructive and well thought out opinions. Unfortunately, there are certainly some bad bad dudes commenting or slagging some one else. Grow up or go away.

    • TheRealPB

      Agreed — the mailbag itself was pretty interesting and I thought even-handed. But to wade through all the dumb comments (especially the newest incarnations of PQW and the resurrection of Fraud) just makes it not worth it.

      • Gored1970

        This site used to be an integral part of my morning sports reading. Although IMO the overall tone of the majority of articles embrace “the glass is half empty”, the comments section provided a number of thoughtful insights. I looked forward to comments from TheRealPB, the great cheerleader Bud Poile and others. Unfortunately this site doesn’t check or ban the immature trollers who add nothing to the discussions but revel in personal attacks on others. It’s difficult to slog through that crap so now I occasionally visit CA and it’s sad to see what the comment section has become.

  • Green Bastard

    LOL What a great thread. Hilarious to see the likes of Killer, Bud, Locust and totally owned and humiliated by Freud, PQW, Fred and Goon. Fun times.
    See ya, wouldn’t wanna be ya lol.