At the rate EP is going how many points do you think he’s going to end the season with?
— Laura 🏒💚💙 (@canucks181) November 26, 2018
If Pettersson were to keep up his current pace of 1.05 points per game over the remaining 56 games of the season, he’d finish somewhere in the neighbourhood of 80 points. Only 20 players were able score at or above Pettersson’s rate last season, and 6 of them played less than 70 games; so it seems unlikely to me that he’ll keep it up. Having said that, even if he regresses to somewhere around a half-a-point-per-game over the rest of the year, (which seems equally unlikely), he’d still have a decent shot at hitting 50. My best guess is he probably finishes the season somewhere between 60-70 points. That gives him room to regress while still assuming that he’s going to factor in on the offense on most nights.
Do you think Jake is playing above at or below his ceiling and where do you see him in the next few years and where is he going to fit into a future healthy lineup ? I see him top 6 and occasionally a shutdown or even 3rd line. Personally I think he’s just scratching the surface
— Angelo Verducci (@AngeloVerducci) November 26, 2018
At the moment, Jake Virtanen is on pace for 25 goals and 12 assists. So I don’t think it’s a knock on him to say the production we’ve seen from him over his first quarter of the season is pretty close to his ceiling. He’s big, fast, and he’s got a shot, so it’s not hard to envision a couple of 20-goal seasons if he can start going to the net consistently. He’s never been a playmaker, even at the junior level, so I don’t think it’s out of line to say that part of his game probably isn’t going to develop much more than it already has.
I think I’ve maintained pretty consistently that Virtanen’s ceiling is probably a 40-or-so-point-player. I’m really happy for him that he looks closer to his ceiling than his floor right now, but that hasn’t really changed.
Roussel isn’t looking awful. Right?
— Aaron (@Curious_Aaron) November 26, 2018
Roussel’s been perfectly fine so far. That’s really not all that surprising, to be honest. He’s been a useful player who can keep his head above water in a bottom-six role and plays a style that NHL general managers often covet. The only issue with the player is his contract. The dollar figure would be easy to swallow in a vacuum, but the term could be an issue. The Canucks should expect to be competitive in years three and four of his deal, and if all goes well a lot of their cap space is going to be taken up by some of their best players’ second contracts. At that point, having $3 million tied up in a 30+ year-old bottom six winger might be less than ideal. Will it kill them? Probably not, but when you look around at all the similar or worse contracts that have been handed out to other players it’s not hard to envision it causing some issues down the road.
do you see benning making a change of scenery move similar to the ones that have been made already this season (like pearson for hagelin) and who do you think would be a candidate for that kind of a deal on this roster?
— Noah | CTSW (@TeamSkullTHG) November 26, 2018
The obvious answer is Loui Eriksson, but that contract is so onerous it’s hard to see a team out there biting unless the Canucks retain salary. There are a couple deals I could see materializing, but I’ll save them for another day. Stay tuned.
People are going to hate me for saying this, but the only other candidate who really meets this description and could still fetch a decent return is Jake Virtanen. The national media has been very vocal about teams looking for a Tom Wilson-type player of late, and Virtanen looks like he could maybe be that player some time down the road. It’s not a perfect example, but Arizona was able to turn a pair of former first-rounders with virtually no NHL pedigree into Nick Schmaltz, who’s already established as an everyday NHLer and has a 21-goal season to his credit. That doesn’t mean the Canucks should be actively shopping him, but I think you have to listen to offers judging by what the market has bared.
If you were to trade a Canuck to acquire a player from another team, who would you rather give up, Goldobin or Virtanen?
— Kam Lee (@kam2046) November 26, 2018
It all depends on the situation. Virtanen might have more value on the open market than he does on the Canucks, and Goldobin probably brings more value to the Canucks than he would on the open market. So, if I’m just picking which player to add as a throw-in for a big player, I’ll probably give up Goldobin and keep the more valuable trade asset in Virtanen. If I’m actively shopping players and looking for the best return, then I’ll probably give up Virtanen.
Mark Stone this summer, yay or nay
— Rex Devereux (@rexdevereux94) November 26, 2018
Mark Stone is the kind of player you can generally get away with signing to a big contract in free agency, but I’d steer clear. The Canucks just can’t afford to add any more vets long-term until they know what Boeser and Pettersson’s next contracts are going to look like.
last week I jokingly asked when the Sedins were gonna come out of retirement and they proceeded to lose 8 straight. Anyways, why do people want Edler back so badly? Doesn’t he just clog up a spot that should go to Hughes/Juolevi?
— white boy eric (@Einthecar) November 26, 2018
I think part of it is emotional attachment. Edler never really got the love he deserved in this city, but he’s now the only tangible piece left from the best Canucks team ever assembled and I think some people just aren’t ready to completely move on from that era. The left side has also been a bit of wasteland behind him until Ben Hutton started to put things together this year. With Del Zotto on the last year of his deal and many ready to move on from Derrick Pouliot, I can kind of understand the thought process. It’s expected that Hughes will be on the team next year, but Olli Juolevi is still a wild card and it seems like some fans are waiting with bated breath to throw Ben Hutton back under the bus at the first sign of struggle. Personally, I have no issue with the team running Hutton, Hughes, and Juolevi on their left side next year, but I can see why some might be more conservative. If you don’t think Juolevi is ready, and believe Hughes needs to be brought along slowly, then Edler makes more sense than going after someone in free agency or re-upping Michael Del Zotto or Derrick Pouliot, especially if it’s a short-term deal.
The real priority on defense this year needs to be figuring out what exactly Olli Juolevi is. If he’s not ready, the team is going to have to start looking elsewhere, and if they want stability I can see the case for Edler. It’s not something I’d pursue, but it’s not completely outlandish either.
— jackson (@JacksonCanucks) November 26, 2018
I’m in favour of moving Jake to his off-wing, but not enough to bounce Goldobin off that line after all the chemistry he and Pettersson have displayed. Until it definitively stops working, the open spot on that line should be the other winger. With Boeser out of the lineup, I think there’s a strong case to be made that Jake deserves to be that winger, but once he’s back I think it’s his spot to lose. On paper, the line just makes sense. Goldobin’s proven to be an adept playmaker thus far, so putting him with two players who can rip the puck is putting all three guys in a position to succeed.
I’m going to keep hammering this point home until we get to see it: If you want to see Jake Virtanen in an offensive role, put him with Bo Horvat. They both love to rush the puck, but Virtanen gives that line a legitimate shooting threat, and Horvat’s willingness to get to the dirty areas mitigates the downsides of Virtanen’s propensity to shoot from anywhere and everywhere. It’s been a long time since we’ve seen the Baertschi-Horvat-Virtanen line, and I think they’re all finally at the point their careers where it could work. (Once Baertschi is healthy, of course.)
when will pouliot be more reward then risk on the ice?
— Jordan D, T.C. (@Jdconservative) November 26, 2018
This is a tough one, mainly because I’m not 100% sure how I feel about Derrick Pouliot right now, let alone what he might be in the future. The numbers don’t really point a clear picture one way or the other. He’s winning the shot-share battle at even-strength and has a positive goal-differential, too. Then again, the team has also conceded better chances than they’ve created with him on the ice, and he’s been the recipient of favourable deployment over his Canucks career.
I guess my best guess is… maybe never? Pouliot will be 25 in six weeks. There’s a good chance he just is what he is.
When was the canucks last good free agent signing?
— Nicole Cann (@NicoleCann2) November 25, 2018
Just over a year ago, when they signed Thomas Vanek. Trading him didn’t work out quite the way some had hoped, but he was a home run at that price. That’s really not that long ago. The Canucks have definitely missed on deals in the past but they’ve had a few hits as well
Why won’t Green give the Rush Line a fair shot? 5-6 games, not a period or two here and there. At least until Brock is back. If it works you can put Brock with Bo and have two threats. If it doesn’t you’re no worse off than you are now.
— Jeff Zack (@jeffreyzack) November 25, 2018
I don’t know if it’s accurate to say they haven’t been given a fair shot. Virtanen has been Pettersson’s third most common linemate after Nikolay Goldobin (who’s spent virtually all his even-strength time with Pettersson and play the opposite wing) and Loui Eriksson. Unfortunately, I don’t have the means to break it down shift-by-shift, but judging by how much time Eriksson got with Petersson before his injury, my guess would be Virtanen and Eriksson have been getting comparable minutes with Pettersson over the past few weeks.
At this point, I’d probably prefer to see Virtanen stick there over Eriksson, too; but I wouldn’t be surprised if Travis Green just hasn’t been particularly satisfied with either player on that line. I can see the case for rotating them both in and out if that’s the case. They’re very different players that each give the line different looks.