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WWYDW: Philip Holm?

The Canucks can’t score to save their lives, and they can’t defend much better either. They’re in the bottom-five of the league in both categories.

As The Province’s Jason Botchford pointed out in last night’s The Provies, the Canucks have an intriguing option on the farm in Philip Holm who might be able to help in both facets of the game. Best of all, Holm can do it from the back end, where the Canucks are woefully unproductive.

The problem? The Canucks don’t have a lot of wiggle room with which to experiment. Their blue line is already packed. Ben Hutton’s been a regular healthy scratch, and Derrick Pouliot just found his way to the press box, too. They’re expected to trade Erik Gudbranson soon, but then again, Chris Tanev isn’t long for the shelf with his injury.

As Botchford points out, the Canucks have Holm on a one-year deal, and they promised him a shot at some point. And with the way the Anton Rodin and Alexander Burmistrov situation played out, another unfulfilling tour of duty in Vancouver from a European free agent, and you’ll start to wonder if any will ever want to sign here again.

There are several layers to this question and no obvious answers. That’s why I’m asking you, the loyal reader at CanucksArmy, to ponder the Holm question, and how you would solve it. You can get creative. Whether it’s by trade, demotions or even just leaving Holm in Utica — feel free to shoot your shot!

Last week I askedIf you had one New Years resolution for this team — think baby steps — to try and get things moving in the right direction, what might that be?

Forever 1915:

Trade Gudbranson asap for a scoring centre that can be part of the next core. If this is a hockey trade, then I wouldn’t expect a defenseman back and I wouldn’t want to waste Gudbranson on a goaltender with Demko/DiPietro in the pipeline. There is no guarantee that Horvat will get help in the immediate few years (e.g. Pettersson will play centre at the NHL level or that Gaudette can be a Top 6 scoring centre). Ideally, I would like to see a reasonable Gudbranson package (e.g. plus Goldobin) go to Buffalo for Sam Reinhart.

apr:

For some reason, this team plays better on the road than at home. I’d assess where the team is at after this next road trip. The most obvious issues to me is the cheap first goal and the mushroom effect has on the team. I really don’t think the team is playing that bad, but clearly they all have to play well to be competitive. Its not like the Nucks are the Oilers, whos team has no soul and players hate living there for a couple of extra bucks.

defenceman factory:

One small step which needs to be made is to replace Cloutier as goalie coach. He has successfully coached both Markstrom and Nilsson to play just like he did. Like Dan, both current Canuck goalies are skilled and athletic but lack focus. It seems they have both become less confident and less fundamentally sound under Dan’s tutelage. Make sure he never gets near Demko.

SJ:

There’s something up with the defensive system right now. I think it was working early in the season (first 15 games or so), but teams have figured it out and started exploiting it. This is was written about in the Provies somewhere, quotes and all, but I’m not paid to do research. Anyway, I think they need to switch it up, as it clearly isn’t working. This isn’t a top-tier defense, but they’re better than they’ve looked recently, and I think it comes down to the system they’re playing. Work to limit grade-A opportunities, and maybe your goalies will make some more saves, and maybe–just maybe–you’ll be able to turn the puck the other way a little more.

Sandpaper:

Pay to get Tryamkin out of his current contract and get him signed.
Bring over his mom dad grandparents and in-laws.
It would show a sign of trying to revamp the defense and goodwill for any future Russians we may acquire.

Goon:

Things *are* moving in the right direction. This team showed they could play entertaining and competitive hockey until bad goaltending and injuries threw them off the rails. We all knew the Canucks weren’t going to compete for a Stanley Cup this year, so tank for a pick, finish 27th or 28th (we all know they’re not catching Arizona or Buffalo in the race to the bottom), and cross your fingers that they actually get some luck in the draft lottery this year.

With Petterson and Juolevi almost certainly joining the team next year, along with the possibility of Gaudette, Dahlen, and another high draft pick joining the team (plus outside shots of players like Lind and Gadjovich), I’m hoping no one in management does anything silly. Sell Vanek at the deadline, trade Gudbranson as soon as possible, resign yourselves to the fact that this season is lost and look to the future. Pray the Canucks pull a New Jersey and move up from a ~5 overall pick to first, because holy crap does Rasmus Dahlin look awesome.

argoleas:

Tanev for Liljegren/Heiskanen and a 1st?

Not sure that could happen, but if it was available, it should absolutely be done.

BC SPORTS FAN:

Jim Benning, please trade Del Zaster and Guddy. With Petterson and Boeser next year we have a good group of young forwards, now if we can get a couple of good D-men.

 

  • Chris the Curmudgeon

    At this point, why not call him up as Tanev recovers? I think Del Zotto could use a few games in the press box to mull things over, and as much as he’s a veteran, his play has not earned him any immunity from healthy scratch territory. I don’t know that Stecher should be a lineup lock either. When a team is this woeful, there should be very few sacred cows. Please leave Hutton in, as he’s NOT the problem, and you don’t want to scratch Gudbranson or do anything else to hurt his trade value.

    That means playing Edler, Hutton, Gudbranson, Holm, Pouliot and one out of Stecher/MDZ. Not a great defensive lineup, but we don’t have a great defensive lineup.

  • Gored1970

    Why the love for Sam Reinhart? He’s a smallish 22 year old former 2OA centre who has 13 points in 43 games, has won only 35% of faceoffs and can’t skate well enough for today’s NHL. On the other hand, Jake Virtanen has 4 points less, has played in fewer games and 4+ minutes a game less than Reinhart with zero PP time, has the size and speed for today’s NHL and many are calling him a bust.

    • Puck Viking

      Reinhart is a bust but I would do that trade 1 for 1. Buffalo will want defense coming back as they have as bad a defense as the Canucks. Though they wont want a UFA unless he can be signed long-term.

      Id be looking to move Gudbranson for a defensemen prospect that has shown promise and that is about 20 years old so he fits with the core moving forward.

    • Because prior to this season, Reinhart had 42 and 47 point seasons. Now, he’s playing as a third line winger because Eichel and O’Reilly get paid $17.5M to play as the Top 6 centres. He’s a playmaking centre that doesn’t fit into the Sabres’ line-up due to positional depth and the salary cap. We have a need for a young Top 6 playmaking centre and the fact that Reinhart is local is a bonus (though not a reason to acquire him).

      Virtanen had the size, speed and shot but doesn’t (know how to) use it. He’s rightfully earned criticism because he doesn’t/can’t do what got him drafted in the first place: hitting and scoring.

      • Puck Viking

        We dont have a need for a center. We have Bo and Gaudette in the line up next season with EP on the way. Unless he is super cheap it is a waste of assets. The defense needs a full overhaul and that is where assets should be used.

        • Agreed that we need better defence but we’re assuming that Gaudette and Pettersson are slamdunk Top 6 centres. At 42 and 47 points by Reinhart as a 20/21 year old are solid 2C scoring numbers. Give him 1st line 5v5 and PP minutes and we could easily have a 60-70 point 1C. I also agree that I wouldn’t do the deal unless it was favourable (not necessarily super cheap because that won’t happen but we don’t pay a premium) – i.e. a good hockey trade.

      • DeL

        One thing acquiring a decent offensive centre would do is allow the team to play Petterson on the wing which is where he’s been playing much of the last two years. Certainly would add flexibility.

  • TheRealPB

    Agree with Chris about MDZ and Stetcher — hell with a team this poor who have been deserving most losses in this stretch, is there anyone outside of Boeser who we could argue is NOT deserving of a benching? I am not sure I’d bring up Holm if only because I agree with JD’s comment from the mailbag that he should stay and continue to succeed in the AHL as a primary defenseman adjusting to the North American ice (not that Utica is that much better than the Canucks) rather than bringing him up and be in the midst of this tire fire. It’s hard to see where we are right now, but it’s a long season. The Flyers had a ten game losing streak, a six game winning streak, and multiple short and longer streaks. None of this suggests that we are good or would make the playoffs even with a long winning streak, just to say that we shouldn’t overreact to this. For me the only focus should be on player development at this point in the rebuild; that means leaving Holm in a situation where he can succeed, rather than rotating in and out of the lineup and getting bottom pairing minutes with the Canucks.

      • truthseeker

        the pens believed they had an “elite” D man with Pouliot and wouldn’t give him up for Kesler.

        Liljegren is a good junior prospect with zero NHL games. Nothing more. Tanev is worth way more than that.

          • truthseeker

            and I think many of you still don’t seem to realize the premium that the position has by it’s nature.

            It’s not a win at all. It’s an unproven no experience at all prospect for the best shot suppressing D man in the NHL. That’s just ridiculous.

            You need to review the trade precedent for D. Even just last year at the deadline a rental Shanttenkirk cost the Caps one of their best prospects (ranked in the top 20 in the entire NHL around the time) A first round pick, a conditional pick and a minor league guy.

            For a couple month rental!

            Now…Tanev doesn’t have the O skills Shattenkirk does, but he’s better defensively, and he has another huge advantage. He’s cost controlled til 20. At a great cap price for what he brings.

            Hall for Larrsson? Larrsson who isn’t anywhere near Tanev?

            Top D guys are insanely expensive. This is simply what the market for top D guys is.

            You people need to stop looking at these trades only in terms of talent. It’s not a talent for talent proposition. Other factors influence the trade value.

            Now, Lijegren has increased value himself because of that position he plays, but it’s still not nearly enough. They’ll need to sweeten that pot before Benning ever considers making that deal. A significant pick. A forward prospect. No way should Benning ever make a deal for Tanev only bringing back one single prospect. That would be incredibly stupid.

          • Dirk22

            Truthseeker – you need to stop with the Hall for Larsson example. One lopsided trade doesn’t set the market. Shattenkirk is also a 45-50 point dman. As good as Tanev is, he doesn’t hold the same value. I wish he did.
            Tanev for Liljegren would go a long way to set the defence up for the future.

          • truthseeker

            Nope…I don’t need to stop with it. It’s a precedent setting trade and it still influences trades today. You just don’t like it because you have no response to it and you know it makes your point harder to defend. You can claim it doesn’t matter all you want, but you’d be wrong. It does. And the Shattenkirk trade reinforces the Hall trade.

            And I addressed those differences in my post dirk. I said tanev wasn’t as good offensively. I also said Tanev is better defensively. Which he is. To which you just ignored because it doesn’t fit your agenda.

            I also explained that while Tanev doesn’t have the offensive skills of Shattenkirk he does have a factor that will help to balance that difference in terms of trade value. Namely his super cheap contract for another 2.5 years. Washington paid that price knowing he might walk at the end of the year and they’d be left with absolutely nothing for him. Yet they still paid that price. That was the whole “rental” part of my post. Maybe you didn’t comprehend what that meant in terms of trade value. No team has to worry about Tanev walking away, and in that way and that easily increases his value to an equal footing.

            I don’t know dirk…either you’re comprehension is terrible or you knowingly don’t address totally valid points and red herring over to other points you think make an argument for you. You do this a lot.

            As to your very last point. So you know for sure that Liljegren will have a successful NHL career?

  • Sit Eriksson for a few games and insert Holm as a 7th defenceman. We have no idea if Holm can handle an NHL workload but we do know that Eriksson hasn’t been earning his $6M paycheque. If Chicago can sit Seabrook, we can easily sit Eriksson. Running a regular defensive roster plus Holm doesn’t handcuff Green on the blueline.

    • defenceman factory

      I agree with the sentiment and hope Ericksson does get some press box time but not until Horvat and Sutter are back. Even without much production Ericksson is not as bad as the alternatives of Gaunce, Dowd, Gagner, Biega and Chaput.

    • TD

      What’s the point of dressing Holm as the 7th d/potential 12th forward. Dress him as one of your 3 d pairings and see what he can do. He needs at least 5 games playing regular minutes to assess whether he can play in the league.

  • Wise Canuck

    How the hell did we go from Bieksa, Hamhuis, Ehrhoff, Salo, Edler, Rome and Tanev to this shower of sh$t on D we have now… oh yah, BENNING!

    Get this joker off our club ffs. We want playoff hockey back in Vancouver like VEGAS are getting in their first season with every other teams castoffs and no draftees playing on their roster yet!

    • Killer Marmot

      How the hell did we go from Bieksa, Hamhuis, Ehrhoff, Salo, Edler, Rome and Tanev to this shower of sh$t on D we have now…

      Here are the best Canucks defensive draft picks from 2005 to 2015 (in order from best to worst):

      Hutton (2013)
      Tryamkin (2014)
      Cannauton (2009)
      Corrado (2011)
      Brisebois (2015)

      In short, horrible drafting, particularly from 2005 to 2012.

      Any other questions?

    • Well…here’s some troll food:

      1) Edler and Tanev are still here. Don’t you watch the games?

      2) Rome and Bieksa can’t play at an NHL level anymore so it’s not a bad thing that they’re gone.

      3) Ehrhoff signed a 10 year UFA deal that got him paid $10M and $8M in the first two years…and we complain about the Eriksson contract. (By the way, Ehrhoff got bought out after 3 years.)

      4) Salo was 38 when he left the Canucks and retired in 2014…so you’re saying that Benning should be fired because we don’t have a 43 year old Salo on the blueline?

      Hamhuis was the only real miscalculation. Not trading him at the TDL and then resigning him in the off-season.

    • Silverback

      Simple …Bieksa 36, Salo 43, Hamhuis 35, Erhoff 35, Rome 34.
      Of course Edler and Tanev are 31 and 28 respectively. All but one on, the wrong side of 30 or retired. Most of our D are in their early 20’s. That tells me that the gap between this young core and the group you mentioned, the 25- 30 year old D are the ones Gillis did not draft. Gillis did not draft well (understatement) and Benning is trying to right that ship.

  • Killer Marmot

    So what will the Canucks D look like next year? Let’s suppose Edler, Tanev, Hutton, Stecher, Juolevi, Holm, and Del Zotto (but only because he has another year in his contract).

    So let’s play that roster, including Juolevi once his club’s season ends. The rest can be sat down or traded. That will reveal how NHL-ready the prospects are, what the prospects need to work on, and what kind of deals are needed in the off-season.

    • Puck Viking

      The group is brutal.

      Deal Edler(at the draft so he can pick his team and sign an extension like burrows).
      Deal Tanev at the deadline(Toronto and Tampa both need top pairing RHD)
      Deal MDZ for highest pick possible.
      Deal Gudbranson for a 1st or a decent defense prospect.

      Draft a defensemen, hopefully Dahlin or Boqvist.

      Next year Juolevi, Hutton, Stetcher, Puliot, Holm and then sign a couple of UFAs to 1-3 year deals.

      Its going to take years to turn this defense around. Tanev deal would speed things up dramatically.

          • You can’t say that Benning hasn’t been acquiring young defenceman and trying to develop them in-house:

            1st – Juolevi
            3rd – Brisebois, Tryamkin
            4th – Rathbone
            5th – Gunnarsson, Candella, Neill, Forsling
            7th – Brassard, Olson, Stewart
            FA – Chatfield, Sautner, Holm, Stecher
            Trade – Gudbranson, Pouliot
            Inherited – McEneny

            That’s a lot of activity given that he also needed to shore up the forward and goaltender position. When you strip out the prospects that are gone or likely won’t make it (i.e. Tryamkin, Neill, Forsling, Olson, Stewart, Sautner) and the current roster players, that still leaves nine defencemen (including McEneny) who could still develop into NHL players (albeit mostly Bottom 4 ceiling) in the next 1-2 years.

      • Killer Marmot

        Edler has a no-trade clause.

        Tanev has a modified NTC, which could make things awkward, and may have many good years remaining. Keep him. He’s worth it.

        Sure you can trade MDZ, but I doubt any reasonably priced UFAs will be any better.

        • Puck Viking

          So keep the exact same D core we have had for 3 years, that is the worst in the league? Ya that makes sense. Oh no wait it doesnt.

          If you ever want this defense to be good you need to rebuild it which should have been done years ago and now we are the mess we are in.

          If you read, I said Edler at the draft knowing he has a NTC so he could pick his team like Burrows did.

          Why is Tanev worth it? He is a depreciating asset and this team will not be in the playoffs by the time his contract expires once again tell me how this makes any sense?

          • Killer Marmot

            So keep the exact same D core we have had for 3 years, that is the worst in the league?

            The exact same D core except for five of the seven players I listed, who weren’t in the lineup three ago.

            If you ever want this defense to be good you need to rebuild it which should have been done years ago and now we are the mess we are in.

            That would be the Hutton, Stecher, Juolevi, and Holm part, wouldn’t it? They need more than that for the future, but it’s a start.

            If you read, I said Edler at the draft knowing he has a NTC so he could pick his team like Burrows did.

            I don’t know what “at the draft” is supposed to mean.

        • Puck Viking

          If you think holm, stetcher and hutton are legit prospects you are a crazy person. They might be bottom pairing guys on a good team.

          Its stuff like this that makes canucks fans the worst in the league.

          • Killer Marmot

            If you think holm, stetcher and hutton are legit prospects you are a crazy person.

            Stetcher and Hutton aren’t prospects. And they might be bottom pairing guys on a good team, but could develop into 2nd pairing guys on an average team. What’s wrong with that?

            I’m working with the Canucks have now. They certainly need a couple of elite defensemen, but that’s will take time. In mean time, develop what they have as best as they can.

      • LTFan

        Puck Viking – The issue with Edler is that he has a No Trade Contract. There is nothing that can be done with him. Also, even though he has lost a step he is still an effective D. Man on most nights. In the game vs. Washington he played 26 minutes and 51 seconds – and you want to get rid of him. Are you crazy? No matter what you think of him he is a top 6 D. man on almost any team. Tanev isn’t going anywhere. His contract is for 2 more years after this season at $4.45 M per year. IMO a very good deal for the Canucks. Gudbranson will probably be traded, but the return will be lower than most fans have been hoping for.
        A number of posters are supportive of Stetcher, but from what I have seen lately, he is struggling. There are many reasons for this, coaching, who he is paired with, personal stuff among others.
        I do agree the defense is weak overall and we all can only hope it well be better next year. Juolevi makes the team and a very good D. man is drafted. Holm comes up and can play at the NHL level. I would also like to see what Wiercioch can do. Anyway, as always – time will tell.

        • defenceman factory

          I believe Edler will waive his NTC at the trade deadline in 2019 but not before. First the Canucks have to decide they are not going to re-sign him. Faced with that information Edler can use his NTC to limit which teams he might go to and if they will re-sign him at the end of the 18-19 season.

          Burrows agreed to the Ottawa trade and was immediately given a contract extension. If the Canucks don’t want to re-sign and Edler wants another couple years before retirement I fully expect he will go a similar route.

  • andyg

    It sounds like they haven’t even decided in trading Guddy yet. I would start by getting an actual direction for the organization. Building on the fly , rebuilding or trying to be competitive. Pick one and follow through.
    They should have known what they were doing at the beginning of the year. We are clearly out of the playoff hunt and this management should have an solid plan on who is in their long term plans.
    Dear Trever can’t even make up his mind about his GM. He needs to step up to the plate and show some direction. Will they screw up another deadline by being indecisive ?
    Right now the fans watch for one reason and one alone. BOESER
    They need to open their eyes.

    • defenceman factory

      I respectfully disagree with your assessment of the situation. It does accurately reflect what Linden has said but in no way reflects what is actually happening. The Canucks did nothing to commit to winning this season. They signed a bunch of cheaper FAs to plug the holes and have continued to be patient with prospects. Moving out Hansen and Burrows last year was a clear sign of direction. They are drafting for maximum ceiling not quickest to contribute. Just doesn’t seem reasonable to expect Linden to get in front of a camera and start listing off who they are shopping around. I strongly suspect there is a lot of negotiating going on right now. I also don’t expect him to get on TV and tell everyone they are going to purposely tank this team as best they can. Has any hockey ops president ever said that?

      I don’t think Linden is in a position to comment on Benning’s employment at this time. I seriously doubt Linden hires the next GM in Vancouver. If ownership is contemplating a management change Linden is likely the first departed. If Benning is extended it might not be Linden that signs that contract. Linden is a decent and loyal guy. Many moves by this franchise look like Linden loyalty moves. This includes Willy, Cloutier and perhaps even Benning. I also believe he is a significant contributor to the “rebuild on the fly” approach as he was loyal to his twin friends wanting another chance at winning.

      • Fortitude00

        The owners and Linden are tight and talked almost daily before Linden was hired I doubt Linden is going anywhere anytime soon. He is the guy they want to lead because he is well respected in the Vancouver Community. As far as selling tickets he is the best guy for the franchise regardless how some view the rebuild.

    • andyg

      Guddy has struggled to stay healthy since being here. They need to make a decision and if it is a trade then sit him in the press box. If he gets injured they will be looking at a total loss. No one needs to see this guy play. They will all have a book on him. Sign him or sit until traded. As far as Linden not being in charge. If he is not then we truly have a ship with no rudder.

    • The Guru

      This is a disaster. The Canucks are a joke of the league now. This what happens when you hire a rookie President, rookie GM and 2 consecutive rookie NHL coaches. Lenning will be fired at season’s end for sure.

  • Spiel

    Call up Holm after clearing out some the replacement level D we already have. Gudrbanson is at the top of the list to be traded due to his pending UFA status. I’d be listening on everyone else too including Hutton and Stecher. Not sure where those two fit long term – what role can they play? At least Pouliot looks like he could be a guy who can put up points.

    • Bud Poile

      Stay on the couch,Freud.
      I’d venture to guess very few to none of the posters here today ever played D.
      You’ve got two primary centers that play 60-70% of every game.
      They act as the third d man,taking their check or a winger in the defensive zone.They gain possession on f/o’s.
      When the team have offensive-minded or defensively inept centers the goalie and d-men get hung out to dry.
      Benning immediately secured Dowd which was a good move and limited the damage since Bo followed Brandon down.
      Defensively superior pivot men are labelled ‘foundational’ because of what we have witnessed for the last 15 games.
      Once Bo and Brandon are back on their games the B-rated tenders make more saves and the C-rated d-men start ‘overachieving’.The team wins many more tight games that are now losses.
      JD and Jackson reach for material,writing entries on how useless and overpaid Brandon Sutter and GMJB are and Dud supports them by insulting everyone that disagrees under 15 different pen names.
      That’s JD’s Canucks Army.

      • Freud

        Bud, you post under different names. You admitted it. Beers after.

        You were invited by the writers to leave, yet, you’re still here like a lap dog with Benning’s DNA all over your lapel. Once again, have some pride, man.

        You also told us to trust Benning because he played defence. After 5 years, Benning appears to have assembled the worst defence in the league.

        And are you drunk? What does your incoherent, irrelevant and pointless response have to do with Holm or Benning losing numerous players to Europe?

      • DeL

        I have a tendency to agree with you. I’ll go one further, I wonder how many posters here have played anything more competitive than beer league. I played some defence in minor hockey and it wasn’t easy. I played pick up when an adult twice a week with guys that all came thru the minor hockey system for most of their childhood, I started playing when I was seven, and the speed was phenomenal with the pick up crew. I can’t imagine what it would be like in the NHL. The Canucks had nothing when Benning showed up on the scene. Sometimes I think the arm chair GMs figure a turnaround happens overnight. Remember who these guys are dealing with in the owner. Aquilini thinks he’s Jerry Jones, forgetting the Cowboys have only made the playoffs what, once in the last ten years. I’d extend Bennings contract another three years and see where they’re at then. Take a look around the league there’s a lot of dogs out there.

  • Cageyvet

    I appreciate everything Biega brings to the team, but let’s be realistic. If we are focused on the future, then you utilize your assets to the best of your ability. Next year’s roster should not have Biega on the team. If that means he goes down to Utica this year to make room for Holm, then you do it. There aren’t a lot of options that allow you to give him the extended run both he and the team need to see if you are to ink him next year.

    Here’s my squad next year based solely on available assets, not a wish list, if we win the lottery you can add Dahlin and dump someone. I’ve shown the team by listing everyone that I think matters right now, and only kept 6 for the big club, everyone else has a comment for where they’d go. In no particular order:

    Tanev
    Edler
    Pouliot
    Stecher
    Hutton
    Juolevi
    Del Zotto – found money, trade him or waive him to make room
    Holm – would happily have him make Hutton expendable
    Biega – in Utica for depth
    Wiercoch – in Utica for depth or gone
    Gudbranson – traded
    Brisebois – hopefully first injury callup from Utica
    Chatfield – hopefully ready for a callup from Utica

    I’d be happy to trade Del Zotto at the deadline, he’s not keeping us from losing and is not part of the future.
    I’d take offers on Hutton or put him in a package deal for the right price.
    I’d make sure Holm got a shot this season.
    I’d trade any of our current D for the right price, including Tanev, although it’s a scary thought to take the best defenseman off this team.

    With today’s lineup, I’d have Edler, Tanev, Stecher and Pouliot locked in my top four. Two proven Dmen, even if Edler makes me crazy, and two kids with good potential to keep improving, IMO.
    Everybody else can fight for the leftover ice time, and that should include Holm. He’s adjusted to the smaller rink and done very well in the AHL, now let’s see what he’s got.

  • Holly Wood

    The difference between the Canucks current d-men are the rest of the league is they are lacking that stud defender who can play 30 minutes a night and contribute on both special teams. Edler is now playing that role and is realistically a #3 guy surrounded by a group of 5-6. They don’t grow on trees so you either draft and develop one or you overpay in a trade for an aging vet. Looks like Seabrooks time is coming to an end watch for Keith’s wheels to start to wobble

  • Fred-65

    At some point we can no longer ponder where this guy is in his development, he’s not a youngster and at the end of of a contract so between now and the end of the season the ‘Nucks need to sort the wheat from the chaff and give the likes of Holm, Gaudette and maybe Dahlin a run to see where they are before the summer, draft, trades FA signings

    • Sandpaper

      Expansion is coming and you want to bring in players like Gaudette and Dahlen.
      How about we wait for next year so that they won’t need to be protected because of playing a few meaningless games at seasons end.
      Asset management.

  • tyhee

    From the article: “As Botchford points out, the Canucks have Holm on a one-year deal, and they promised him a shot at some point. And with the way the Anton Rodin and Alexander Burmistrov situation played out, another unfulfilling tour of duty in Vancouver from a European free agent, and you’ll start to wonder if any will ever want to sign here again.”

    He’s been doing pretty well in Utica. Assuming it is correct that he was promised a chance sometime this season, then imo the real question is when to give him that chance and how.

    Right now the Canucks have, in no particular order, Gudbranson, Hutton, Edler, MDZ, Pouliot, Stecher and Biega, with Tanev out injured. Gudbranson is apparently on the trading block, though I don’t remember seeing anything from the Canucks’ management to suggest that. The defence as a whole has not been very good.

    If one of the current defence gets traded without a current NHL defenceman coming back, then after the trade it is fairly easy to make room for Holm on the roster for a while and how you get him into some games depends on the injury state and who is playing well at that time. Even without further injury, the way the Canucks’ defence has played this season there is no shortage of players who could join a rotation sitting for a bit, even if healthy, while Holm gets his look in the big league. Realistically, the only one that everyone would probably agree that if healthy he should play is Tanev. I have a couple of others that I think should be playing if healthy and others will have their views as well, but beyond Tanev there will be a wide range of opinions about who they are. The point is, based on play this season there isn’t a shortage of players that can be parked in the pressbox to give Holm his chance and who that might be depends on the situation at the time the chance arises.

    I don’t see a problem getting him into the lineup for a a shot once a player (presumably Gudbranson, but it could be someone else) is traded. I could see him having to play his off-side, which could pose a bit of an issue as it appears Green appears to try to keep defencemen on their forehand sides.

  • tyhee

    From the article: “As Botchford points out, the Canucks have Holm on a one-year deal, and they promised him a shot at some point. And with the way the Anton Rodin and Alexander Burmistrov situation played out, another unfulfilling tour of duty in Vancouver from a European free agent, and you’ll start to wonder if any will ever want to sign here again.”

    He’s been doing pretty well in Utica. Assuming it is correct that he was promised a chance sometime this season, then imo the real question is when to give him that chance and how.

    Right now the Canucks have, in no particular order, Gudbranson, Hutton, Edler, MDZ, Pouliot, Stecher and Biega, with Tanev out injured. Gudbranson is apparently on the trading block, though I don’t remember seeing anything from the Canucks’ management to suggest that. The defence as a whole has not been very good.

    If one of the current defence gets traded without a current NHL defenceman coming back, then after the trade it is fairly easy to make room for Holm on the roster for a while and how you get him into some games depends on the injury state and who is playing well at that time. Even without further injury, the way the Canucks’ defence has played this season there is no shortage of players who could join a rotation sitting for a bit, even if healthy, while Holm gets his look in the big league. Realistically, the only one that everyone would probably agree that if healthy he should play is Tanev. I have a couple of others that I think should be playing if healthy and others will have their views as well, but beyond Tanev there will be a wide range of opinions about who they are. The point is, based on play this season there isn’t a shortage of players that can be parked in the pressbox to give Holm his chance and who that might be depends on the situation at the time the chance arises.

    I don’t see a problem getting him into the lineup for a a shot once a player (presumably Gudbranson, but it could be someone else) is traded. I could see him having to play his off-side, which could pose a bit of an issue as it appears Green appears to try to keep defencemen on their forehand sides.

    This season is a write-off. It isn’t as if they need to break a promise to give him a chance, if indeed they made that promise, so that they can play their tried and true winning (?) players to try to finish a spot higher in the standings. Give him a realistic chance, at least several games playing regularly.

    If he wasn’t given that promise, then they should still probably give him a try of some kind, if only to avoid the appearance, right or wrong, of yet another player returning to Europe thinking he should have had more playing time or a better chance.

  • bushdog

    I sure see a lot of people here who simply trash everything the team is trying to do. I wish they would go away. we can trade anybody we want to for mcgenius and that other guy…right? there is so little knowledge and so much mouth that I wonder why any of us respond to their nonsense. but I do it too lol. there was absolutely nothing in the cupboard when benning took over and he had serious cap problems. there were 2-3 years where he really couldn’t do anything. NTC’s and huge wages for low level players…you know the story folks. the past 2 years there have been a couple of questionable picks according to many. but he went after a quality d-man who will be here for quite a while. what good would another forward do when there isn’t anyone on d? a lot of the people coming up are later drafts, still developing their skills. anyone who bags the drafting better be able to show that 20 or more teams have done better under similar circumstances. one more thing – linden and the aqua-guys were great friends even before he was hired. benning might not Want to come back…think about That, you hockey geniuses who really know nothing more than to hit letters on a keyboard.