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CANUCKS ARMY PRESEASON GDT III – CANUCKS @ FLAMES

Well, things have been going OK lately. It is preseason after all, so none of these victories really matter. Of course, there’s only one to speak of, and somehow even that barely happened. The Golden Knights did a number on the baby Canucks who were handed their first loss of the exhibition circuit. Off they go to Calgary to take on the Flames. As Calgary doesn’t have to make a global trip to play any games this week, they’ll have a decent selection of players to choose from to toy with the Canucks.

But that’s why they play the games, and maybe this is the game where Thatcher Demko stands on his head (potentially literally) and keeps the Canuck in this one.

WATCH / LISTEN / FACE-OFF

TV: SNET-P

RADIO: SNET 650

PUCK DROP: 6:00 PM

LINE COMBINATIONS

Nikolay Goldobin will get another chance up front, and he has to be better. Goldobin won’t get too many more chances to showcase himself without the spotlight of the rest of the regulars in the lineup. Not exactly now or never but for a flashy player like he is, there needs to be substance, or it’s off to the AHL. Brock Boeser has basically earned his spot on this team but they need “good” players in the lineup and he fits the bill.

Jake Virtanen is back to the rink where his legacy began. Anton Rodin and Jayson Megna look to be his linemates this evening which may or may not turn out to be a good thing.

Demko may get the full game.

Vancouver Canucks lines courtesy of JEFF PATERSON!!!

 

Calgary Flames lines courtesy of …

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Second Guy – Second Guy – Second Guy

Third Guy – Third Guy – Third Guy

Checking Guy – Checking Guy – Checking Guy

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Def Guy -Def Guy

Goalie Guy

WHAT TO WATCH FOR

  • If the preseason was nicknamed the Igloo League like they nickname the MLB preseason leagues, Brock Boeser would be the leading scorer in the Igloo League. Tied for first with three goals and leading the preseason scoring race with five points, he’s tearing up the minor circuit before he officially becomes a threat for real in October. Boeser has been everything the Canucks have asked of him and more. This kid is something special and hopefully, he’s here for a long time.
  • On the back end, Jordan Subban is a bit of Jekyll and Hyde on the ice. He’ll amaze you with his moves and flashy scoring touch but then he gets burned for multiple goals that really, he shouldn’t have. It’s been said a lot but Jordan Subban is on thin ice (no pun there, I swear) to make the Canucks… ever. He may carve out a smaller NHL career (seriously did not mean to pun again) but the Canucks can’t be happy with just his offensive talent. He’s a defenseman and he doesn’t do defenseman things very well.
  • Darren Archibald is in the lineup or so it says on that paper. Two things will absolutely happen tonight: He’ll fight someone and he’ll score. Archibald is trying to inch his way back as a NHLer and if he stays the course he just might get a chance to be on the big club.
  • Saddledome officials shut the arena down mid-game because talks for a new stadium officially are cut off. It’s entirely possible and it might even make the highlight reel.
  • Sunday’s game against the Golden Knights may be a precursor for what the rest of the baby Canucks preseason will look like. The long and short of it is: there will be many more goals, potentially on both sides, potentially just on the other side. You’ve been warned.

WHAT THEY’RE SAYING

Well, he’s still there. Something to be said for that. I don’t know what exactly, but something. Really wish Markus Granlund had a take on this.

MY TAKE

There wasn’t much to say after the debacle against the Golden Knights. The Flames will want to show off for their fans and sticking it to the Canucks is always a priority for them. Jordan Subban needs a big game as does Olli Juolevi but Olli hasn’t had that at all this year so he’ll get another try next camp.

SCORE PREDICTION

Losing to Calgary the way they did to Vegas probably isn’t a recipe for success but it does make the post-game a bit longer. Canucks squeak it out in shootout 4-3.

    • Juice

      Ready for what, practically the same team played in the AHL together last season and they look even worse now. The farm team mirrors the big club. Utter garbage and the worst run franchise in the NHL, the numbers and results don’t lie. Praying for a fresh start with a new management team asap. No more excuses.

  • Eamon

    Brian Burke, Glen Gulatzen pulling the strings and Lack, Shink, Cramarossa, Glass, Bartkowski all looking to lay one on this brutal Canucks line up. Look also for Rasmus Andersson and Matt Tkachuk, both could and should of been Vancouver players… both will be big stars in the league for years to come.

  • Steamer

    Thanks 94 – an especially insightful analysis of the Calgary lines – much appreciated! Play Goldy with Arch – gotta be some space for Nick; said for years: Subban has the requisite skill to play as a centre/winger, could play point on PP.
    First glance for MacEwen – 200 foot game, finishes checks, can shoot, deceptive stride – think he’ll be worth the watch.
    Yeah, Demko needs to pick it up – but the D haven’t been providing much support. Rodin needs goals.

  • I hope Virtanen, Archibald, Labate, Pedan, and Gadjovich realize that the Flames are the type of heavy team that they need to counter. Would like to see those guys throw some momentum-changing hits and antagonize the Flames’ top lines (though not fighting, that’s stupid), that should be their niche on the NHL roster.

  • The Flames got spanked by Edmonton in both split squad games. They also sent 21 prospects back and their projected lineup is mostly NHL talent.
    This is a tough test coming up for our young Canucks.

    Canucks need to focus on better defense tonight. Take the body and no standing and watching. Demko will be better, as long as he can see the puck, meaning defensemen need to clear the area in front of the net.

  • Wilf Charest

    !!!!!!!YIPPY KI YAY!!!!!!!
    Swami Wilf predicts this evening the beloved Canuckleheads will be hotter than a goat’s butt in a pepper patch; showing they can sure pull up their britches and throw one heck of a hoedown when they line-dance over them-there cowpokes in the sad-sack, saggy-bottom Saddledome with a twang more inclined for Vancity ears.
    Swami reckons by the time the hootenanny’s over, the tears of Stampede City will be flowing beyond their beers, down the Red Mile and into the Elbow River after a preseason loss so dag-gum humiliating at the hands of the Good Guys, even Brett The Hitman Hart will be fixin’ to leave town…
    Final Score ‘Nux 8 – Lagging Lamie-Lamoes of Lameosity 0. Dern tootin’!

  • apr

    Flames have a solid team. But Burke has a crap history with goaltenders. He tried to go cheap with Ramo/Hiller didn’t work; Elliott/Johnson instead of Bishop – didn’t work; now Mike Smith instead of MA Fleury – we’ll see. If Mike Smith blows, it will be sadder than when the Nucks had the West Coast express, Ohlund, Jovo, Lumme – and Dan fn Cloutier in net.

    • pheenster

      Agree with this. Mike Smith is massively overrated as a goaltender. Also a diva and a bit of an a$$hole to boot. Cheering for a massive face plant this season.

    • Time machine back to 2014:
      Todd Button (director of amateur scouting): “Hey Burke, that Demko guy is still on the board. We should grab him before the run on goaltenders start, right?”
      Burke peers up from Magic 8 Ball: “Nah, let’s go with…Mason McDonald. By the way, higher GAA is good, right?”

      • Missing Kes

        Although it’s true ol Burkey has a less than stellar track record with goalies, he will forever be respectfully remembered as the guy who drafted the Sedins and Kesler for us and for winning a cup in Anaheim primarily by adding Pronger to the Ducks blueline.

        Anyway, getting back to goalies, I wouldn’t say Demko is any better than McDonald right now either. Neither of them are Matt Murray caliber, but imo Thatcher isn’t the worldbeater some Canucks fans think he is, so the Burke slight seems a bit o-t-t to me. Oh, and isn’t Cloutier the Canucks goalie coach now?

          • TheRealRusty

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            Canucks reduce training camp roster by 6
            SEPTEMBER 19, 2017, 10:04 AM | RYAN BIECH
            With some pre-season games in the books, the inevitable camp cuts were soon to follow. That happened today as the Canucks assigned six players to their junior clubs this morning, the full press release is as follows:

            Vancouver, B.C. – Vancouver Canucks General Manager Jim Benning announced today that the Canucks have reduced their pre-season roster by six players.

            The following players have been assigned to their junior clubs:

            Matt Brassard Defence Oshawa Generals

            Cole Candella Defence Hamilton Bulldogs

            Michael DiPietro Goaltender Windsor Spitfires

            Jonah Gadjovich Left Wing Owen Sound Attack

            Kole Lind Right Wing Kelowna Rockets

            Dylan Plouffe Defence Vancouver Giants

            Plouffe was here on an ATO, and thus would’ve also been released.

            None of these cuts are surprising, as the OHL and WHL seasons kick off this weekend. By making the cuts now, all of the aforementioned players can make it back in time to suit up for their junior clubs.

            Michal DiPietro will assume the starters role for the Windsor Spitfires, while Kole Lind and Jonah Gadjovich will look to take that next step and force their way onto Team Canada’s WJHC rosters. Cole Candella took a step back last season for the Bulldogs, and with this being the last year that the Canucks have his rights, he is playing to earn an ELC. Matt Brassard returns to the Oshawa Generals and hopes to take on a larger role for them.

            It’s worth mentioning that Kole Lind and the Kelowna Rockets will play the Vancouver Giants at the Langley Events Centre on November 18th and 24th, January 13th, and March 16th.

            The Canucks will face the Calgary Flames tomorrow in pre-season action, before the team in China plays the L.A. Kings early Thursday morning.

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            apr
            1 DAY AGO
            I’ve got my half season tickets to see Lind play the Royals this year pretty stoked. Any update on Dahlen? Is he practicing with the team or still sidelined?

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            Jabs
            1 DAY AGO
            Lind sure demonstrated that he has a very high skill level. He just needs to get stronger to be able to handle NHL checking. He is definitely a very good prospect imo

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            That’s My Point
            1 DAY AGO
            Still have the Sedins so can’t really improve this team. Trade the Sedins for youth/picks is the only way to win in the next 3 or 4 years.

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            Ragnarok Ouroboros
            1 DAY AGO
            Sedin’s can’t be traded. They have a no trade clause and have stated quite emphatically that Vancouver is their home and they will retire as a Canuck.

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            WT?
            1 DAY AGO
            Not that I don’t feel the same frustration, but I don’t agree with this angle at all.
            Benning’s job is asset management- letting (the Sedins) go for nothing (to early retirement) isn’t going to help player development, create (needed) cap space, or win games. The Sedins have made it abundantly clear they will not be traded, therefore they are only an asset as long as they are still playing for this team. Strategically speaking, it doesn’t make sense to get rid of them until you have better assets to replace them with. Next year, the Sedins can easily be serviceable as 3rd liners at a fraction of their current salary. They are future Hall of famers, current top 100 NHLers and they are an excellent mentors for players like Boesser, Virtanen and Granlund. Until Dahlen and Pettersson are competent enough to take this role from them- the Vancouver fan base has gots to chill. How does replacing them with Lind/ Gadjovich, Chaput/Megna or Upshall/White make the team any better?

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            Forward Thinker
            1 DAY AGO
            Exactly. They will only be traded if the request such a trade and they have said they will not. They are good players and should make a great second line this year and next. The year after they might still contribute as third liners. No reason to keep bringing up a trade. They have earned the right to decide their future this year.

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            KCasey
            1 DAY AGO
            The near sightedness of all the people the people who would so easily cast the Sedins off to another team for peanuts is just disturbing. Sometimes theres more to the life of pro sports than just bean counting and being a robot making shrewed business deals. Did you know that since the inception of the NHL there have only been 108 players to play an entire career with one team. The memebers of that list is a pretty remarkable ensemble of players. Joe Sakic, Nick Lindstrom, Pavel Datsyuk, Mario Lemiuex, Rocket Richard to name a short few. The only ever Canuck was Stan Smyl who with all due respect, never had the accolades that not one but both Sedins have had in there careers yet all this time later he is still talked about as some mythical being in Canucks history. That is what is at stake for these 2. Trevor Linden should have been part of that heritage here but got shipped and in a small part now has an asterisk with him as an all time Canuck. Wrap your head around the fact the Sedins are about to join the company of some all time classy players and legends of the game. You wanna be cut throat businessmen than work on wall street where stepping on people pride is rewarded. This is Hockey, theres a code and honor that runs deeper than mere wins and losses.

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            Break The Canuck’s Curse
            1 DAY AGO
            well said

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            Missing Lou
            1 DAY AGO
            Someone needs to mentor the next gen…. I can’t think of better players than the Sedins to usher in the next era. Sedins = Canucks until they retire!

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            truthseeker
            1 DAY AGO
            I think you guys are missing the point of “that’s my point”

            He’s a moron. A troll. A moronic troll….

            This has nothing to do with the sedins. It has to do with an idiot posting on an article.

            See…treat it like that and you won’t even feel the need to respond.

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            Angry Anderson
            1 DAY AGO
            After that humiliating debacle against the Vegas prospects they should all be cut except Boeser who should be flown to China while Dorsett is flown the other way. Time to stop messing around with these pathetic split squad games and ice your best possible team. We need to more than the 30 other teams, that’s a given.

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            WT?
            1 DAY AGO
            How do you propose playing on 2 continents simultaneously?
            Teleportation?

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            Angry Anderson
            1 DAY AGO
            The split squad games in North America which as we have seen are full of sub par scrubs should never have been scheduled in the first place, end of. They are an insult to the paying fans, as we saw at Rogers against Vegas. Ice your best team in China then finish back in N.America and stop trying to mug us fans that actually pay money to watch the team.

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            kablebike
            20 HOURS AGO
            Did you not get your money’s worth with all those goals?

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            Bobaner
            10 HOURS AGO
            Anyone who bought preseason tickets either knew or should have known that most of the team was going to playing in China. Caveat Emptor.

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            TD
            1 DAY AGO
            This is the China effect. Normally both split squads have lots of vets, with the top players stacking the home exhibition games. This year, the majority of the vets and top players are in China. I would expect two more weak performances against Calgary and Edmonton this week. There won’t be much NHL experience or talent in the Canucks line up.

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            DJ_44
            1 DAY AGO
            Full props to CA. This new “Ignore” button works great!!

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            backup bob
            1 DAY AGO
            You would think cuts are made after the split squad games are done. That being said, cuts come as no surprise.
            We have some nice prospects to watch in the future.

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            Steamer
            1 DAY AGO
            Thanks Ryan. Is Stukel still in camp? Think he & Candella are both needing a big year to earn an ELC; would not be surprised if either or both go back into the draft unless this season sees a dramatic improvement.

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            Ryan Biech
            1 DAY AGO
            Yes – Stukel and Mckenzie are still here

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            DJ_44
            1 DAY AGO
            Is stukel eligible for Utica/kalamazoo. He was drafted D+1 no? If so can he be offered a minor league deal so as not to use up one of the 50 slots?

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            Ryan Biech
            12 HOURS AGO
            Yes – Stukel and McKenzie are eligible for the AHL/ECHL as they turn 20 prior to the end of 2017.

            If they sign AHL only deals – that doesn’t count towards the 50 contract limit

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            Forward Thinker
            1 DAY AGO
            The price to watch the Canuck squad in NA should be minimal since the talent on display is not up to par as shown against Vegas. I get they want to show case NHL hockey in China but preseason is not the time yo do it if you are still charging for second rate talent here. Maybe they should hold the World Championships in Asia or the Allstar game. But if you are charging fans yo watch, you should be icing a competative team and that is not what is happening now in Vancouver.

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            DJ_44
            1 DAY AGO
            But people have been screaming ad nauseum about letting the kids play. You get to see the kids. Preseason Tix are a lot lower proceed than reg season.

            It is not like they didn’t publish the preseason schedule a while ago… You thought there NHL would send rookies and ahlers to China to showcase the sport?

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            Confused Canuck
            1 DAY AGO
            I’m confused. Why would the NHL want to showcase the game in China using the second worst team in the NHL, Vancouver?

            To be fair, why would the LA Kings be the other choice as well because they are one of the dullest teams in the league. Why not at least use the Pens or Hawks (6 cups), Oilers or Leafs for the wow factor (generational star players). Vancouver and LA is a bizarre, confusing choice… isn’t it?

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            SJ
            1 DAY AGO
            They’re using LA and Vancouver because they are huge market teams on the west coast, with huge Chinese populations (Vancouver is 18% Chinese-Canadians, LA has over 500,000 Chinese-Canadians).

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            Bud Poile
            1 DAY AGO
            Iv’e been to China via YVR (and vice-v) dozens of times.
            1% caucasian,99% Asian.
            We are a Pacific Rim nation and China is directly across the pond.
            SJ is right on the money.
            Dud (now Angry Dud) has no clue.

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            Rodeobill
            1 DAY AGO
            I live and work in Taiwan (Republic of China), and Hockey is more exciting than any sport in the world, with so many facets to appreciate, but most the people here don’t get behind it because they don’t come from a place where the ponds freeze in the winter, and skating (or skiing) hasn’t been part of their history. Once i have some friends over and explain to them it becomes a great game to watch for them, they just need some exposure and to learn about it. I would assume with the success of the KHL Kunlun team, the NHL is thinking toward the future. The NBA and MLB are so popular over here, and growing up in Canada you can’t even imagine how densely it is populated over here – full of people, no, families (because that’s how people work and subsist over here), the have money to spend on stuff they are interested in. If the NHL can tap into a fraction of what the NBA has over here then they have struck gold. Especially the Western seaboard teams with high populations of Chinese people.

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            JarkkoRuutu
            1 DAY AGO
            Not to troll, but people living in LA of Chinese descent would be American not “Chinese-Canadian”…

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            WT?
            1 DAY AGO
            Not really confusing at all…
            Which teams are closest (in proximity and accessibility) to China?
            Which of these cities have the largest Chinese demographic?
            The two teams that are currently in China.

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            Confused Canuck
            1 DAY AGO
            I’m still confused. Research shows that San Francisco/Bay Area (Sharks), New York (Rangers) and Chicago(Hawks) have the largest Chinatowns and overall Chinese populations outside of Asia in the US. LA is comparable to the bay area, but the Sharks are a far better, more marketable team than the Kings.

            In Canada, Toronto has 500,000 Chinese compared to only 300,000 in Vancouver, and a team light years better with bigger stars.

            To suggest that the Chinese are going to hop on a plane to Vancouver to watch a dull, cr@ppy, non-playoff bottomfeeder team thousands of miles across the ocean over the aforementioned bigger and better teams is arrogant, ludricrous, laughable and a downright lie… isn’t it?

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            Eamon
            1 DAY AGO
            What relevance does this have to selling the game in China guy? The NHL want to sell their product to the Chinese in CHINA not LA, Vancouver or Salem Oregon. 2 billion Chinese don’t give a hoot how many of their ethnicity live in Van or LA, therefore the league would be better off actually showcasing some top NHL teams with genuine superstars to excite the locals. North American based Asians are already in the loop so it’s totally irrelevant.

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            Gerald Diduck
            1 DAY AGO
            Hockey is still an acquired taste outside of certain countries and it is admittedly hard for the untrained eye to follow the puck on tv – remember the glowing puck on Fox in the 90s – lol, but I think the Asian demographic would perhaps be more interested if they had a star player they could relate to like Yao Ming was in the NBA and Guo Allun is now. There are a few Chinese players in the NHL, so maybe the league needs to focus on that angle to make it work in the future.

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            Green Bastard
            9 HOURS AGO
            of course you’re still confused, that’s your little game when you’re not playing kissy tag with the boys at recess

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            Forever 1915
            1 DAY AGO
            Better to cut the guys who have no chance of playing and have nothing else to show asap. I think major junior schedules start this week so it’s better to let them prep with their clubs.

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            natevk
            1 DAY AGO
            Does anyone know what is going on with 2016 pick Brett McKenzie? He wasn’t on the Canucks training camp roster after playing in young stars. I’m sure the info is out there I just can’t seem to find why he wasn’t at main camp.

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            Forever 1915
            1 DAY AGO
            I thought McKenzie graduated from the OHL but Eliteprospects is listing him on the Battalion roster. I guess he’s doing a 5th year in junior.

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            Eamon
            1 DAY AGO
            He is another Benning bust guy. Did you know that the Canucks have zero picks in four drafts on their roster right now? Not one is in China. That’s a success rate of 0%. Tragic isn’t it…

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            Bud Poile
            1 DAY AGO
            Re: L.A.(San Fran) and Vancouver

            What is the significance of Metro Vancouver becoming the most “Asian” city outside Asia?

            Forty-three per cent of Metro Vancouver residents have an Asian heritage, which is a much higher proportion than any other major city outside the continent of Asia.

            Based on Statistics Canada reports, the number of those with Asian roots in Metro Vancouver will continue to grow at a faster rate than the non-Asian population.
            http://vancouversun.com/life/vancouver-is-most-asian-city-outside-asia-what-are-the-ramifications

            Around the globe, the only major cities outside Asia {*with more than 1.2 million residents} that come close to Metro Vancouver for their portion of residents with Asian backgrounds are San Francisco (33 per cent Asian), London, England (21 per cent), Metro Toronto (35 per cent), Calgary (23 per cent) and Sydney, Australia (19 per cent).

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            DJ_44
            1 DAY AGO
            McKenzie is still at the main camp. Skated with the second group today; I think he played on Sunday.

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            DJ_44
            1 DAY AGO
            How is a 7th rounder right out of junior bound for the AHL a bust?
            You keep using that word….I do not think it means what you think it means.

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            Bud Poile
            1 DAY AGO
            Tragic troll.

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            Eamon
            14 HOURS AGO
            A bust is a failed draft pick who is not making the neccesary steps towards playing for the NHL team he was chosen to play for. No excuses, “i picked you so show me”!

            Zero players making the big team in four drafts on a rebuilding team desperate for ‘any’ draftees to step up is as bad as it gets. That’s a zero per cent success rate in FOUR drafts. It’s so simple even simpletons should be able to comprehend and acknowledge it…

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            Bud Poile
            13 HOURS AGO
            You’re mindless trolling is confusing you again.
            Tryamkin-3rd rounder
            McCann-Gudbranson
            Virtanen
            Baertschi-2nd round trade asset
            Boeser
            There’s five draft picks that play(ed) for the Canucks via Benning’s drafts.
            Simple trolls that can’t count,let alone acknowledge reality are boooooring.

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            Rusty
            5 HOURS AGO
            Bud Poile said
            “You’re mindless trolling is confusing you again.
            Tryamkin-3rd rounder
            McCann-Gudbranson
            Virtanen
            Baertschi-2nd round trade asset
            Boeser
            There’s five draft picks that play(ed) for the Canucks via Benning’s drafts.
            Simple trolls that can’t count,let alone acknowledge reality are boooooring.”

            Bud “GMJBTL jockstrap” Poile is at it again! LOL
            If one were to use your measurements for what counts as a “successful” draft pick, GMMG would have to his credit:

            Christian Ehrhoff – Patrick White
            Keith Ballard – S. Bernier/M. Grabner/2010 1st rounder
            Chris Higgins – Evan Oberg/2013 3rd rounder
            Zach Kassian – Cody Hodgson/ A. Sulzer

            To but name a few… And we all know that GMMG was not great at the draft (LOL). LAME BUD LAME…

        • apr

          Well there Burkey in TO examples as well. Toskala? Raycroft? Your success as a player has nothing to do with being a coach. Gretzky was a coach; Babcock a fringe player. That said, jury is still out on Cloutier as a coach.

        • Demko had a rough start but was better near the end of last season. His numbers were 2.68 / .907 on a pretty bad Utica team but trending up. Compare that to 2.72 / .897 by McDonald in the ECHL. Historically, Demko’s numbers have always been better than McDonald at a higher level of competition. Given that McDonald is struggling in 2nd tier minors, I can’t see how you can think he is a better goaltender than Demko.

          • Missing Kes

            Like i said neither are earth shattering but until McDonald plays in the AHL all bets are off on both him and Demko being anything more than question marks. Therefore, to belittle Calgary over their choice is totally ignorant, arrogant and premature. Demko has proved absolutely nothing to crow about.

            The problem is, Canucks fans talk like Demko is the second coming of Patrick Roy or another Matt Murray. He isn’t. That’s my opinion and no one can convince me otherwise until i see it with my own eyes.

  • Dinsdale

    Oboy, another rule-breaking preseason lineup with just three veterans in Megna, Chaput, and Bachman (insert laugh track here) joining the Comets + prospects against a Flames team with names I recognize from TV.
    I wonder what the over-under is on this lopsided tilt.
    Whatever it is, I’ll go with the over.
    Oh well, got the PVR set up for the real team’s on-ice debut tomorrow so I’ll have even more to agonize over.