Canucks reduce training camp roster by 4

Following their first pre-season game last night, it was announced earlier this morning that the Canucks have further reduced their training camp roster.

Defenceman Jordan Subban and Ashton Sautner, as well as forwards Wacey Hamilton and Carter Bancks were assigned to the Utica Comets.

The assignments of Sautner, Hamilton and Bancks were not surprising simply because Sautner was down on the defensive depth chart and the forwards were signed to AHL deals.

The Subban assignment isn’t surprising either, but will be met with a bit of frustration from fans simply because they are excited to see the young defenceman. With that being said, Subban does need to work on his decision making and defensive zone positioning, both of which will be something that he can focus on in Utica.

Subban did not stand out in Young Stars, but according to Jon Abbott of TSN 1040, did well in the un-televised game in San Jose last night. It is worth noting that Subban did post a 22% CF% last night, which was worst on the team.

Due to the depth on the backend, Subban wasn’t really in the conversation to make a team, so it’s once again, it’s not really a shock to see the Rexdale, ON native being assigned to Utica.

Subban is just entering his second year of his ELC, patience is still needed for the offensive defenceman.

With this round of cuts, there are now 56 players at Canucks training camp.

    • detox

      At least on spot on the third pairing is up for grabs and many say Sbisa shouldn’t be a lock either.

      Larsen sounded like a lock at one point on the third pairing but I think he has to show he can be steady and responsible in his own end.

      I didn’t watch the game and was wondering if our defense struggled, gave up lots of shots, or if it was more the team? Bo was great in the dot.

      Surprised there isn’t a little write up on the exhibition game.

      • chinook

        “I didn’t watch the game and was wondering if our defense struggled, gave up lots of shots, or if it was more the team? Bo was great in the dot.

        Surprised there isn’t a little write up on the exhibition game.”

        I’m surprised too, there is no game report. Likely because there is no video. I listened to 1/2 the game. Yeah, defence struggled but so did the team except for the Horvat line. Especially Billins was exposed on D. Seemed like Pedan and Tryamkin improved as the game went on, but hard to tell without video and , as I said, didn’t listen to all of it.

      • SJ

        Pretty hard to do a write-up about a game you couldn’t see…

        No issue with Subban going down. There wasn’t going to be much room for him to get into the limited preseason action. Hate to break it to some of these fans, but Subban’s probably going to spend at least another full season in the AHL, probably 2, maybe more. Most smaller defensemen don’t make the jump to the NHL until at least their age 23 or 24 season. Subban is 21.

  • Dirk22

    I’d love to see what Subban can do as a forward. He might make a fine power winger.

    Wingers with experience as defensemen can be especially valuable since it allows defensemen to go to the net, knowing that the winger will fall back and do a good job covering for them.

    Perhaps the coach can experiment with Subban as a winger in Utica.

    • Dirk22

      power winger? All 5’9 of him hey..

      Burns and Byfuglien – players that have and can play both positions. Besides that I can’t think of any really successful transitions from dmen to forward and vice versa. Let’s just keep him on defense.

      Besides that, I don’t really understand the decision making here. Subban was never going to make the starting roster but why wouldn’t they want to get him more pre-season games just for developments sake. What’s the hurry with sending him down?

      • DJ_44

        “Besides that, I don’t really understand the decision making here. Subban was never going to make the starting roster but why wouldn’t they want to get him more pre-season games just for developments sake. What’s the hurry with sending him down?”

        They saw Jordan at the Young Stars and camp, as well as the first pre-season game.

        The pre-season is shortened because of the WCOH, and with only six games left, that really only leaves three to get all the kids in, with the final three left for regulars to get in work as well as bubble guys.

        I hope he works hard (which, as far as I know, has never been a knock on Subban) and improves his defensive game.

        Let’s not make more of this than it is.

      • LTFan

        “Besides that I can’t think of any really successful transitions from dmen to forward and vice versa. Let’s just keep him on defense.”

        Red Kelly – but that was long ago. All-Star D-man to Center ice man.

      • wojohowitz

        This would might be good time to try something different. If Subban is too questionable on defense then the Canucks have little to lose.

        At any rate, they tried Andrey Pedan as a forward last year in the NHL. Subban makes more sense to me than Pedan did, and Utica is better place to try it.

  • DJ_44

    I like the tough love that management is showing Subban. Not everyone is in the same development curve and maturity level. Some guys need exposure to the NHL to build a sense of urgency to develop their games. Subban does not need that given his brother. I think the Nucks are doing the right thing by putting a chip on his shoulder to develop his game.

  • SJ

    he’s been told for two years to improve his defence. he goes to the young stars and looked bad defensively against kids. he comes to camp and continues to play nothing but offence and does the same in the game where he produces a 26% 5on5 corsi.

    they’ve seen enough to know his offence is ready and his defence is not and one doesn’t compensate for the other. maybe also they think he needs a message.

    the other comment i have is that he is a puck hog who tries to run and gun every transition and gets involved on every offensive play. that is desirable longterm but it must get in the way of evaluating other prospects (including forwards).

  • chinook

    Subban is exactly where he should – in Utica developing his pro game under a very good coach in Travis Green. In other organizations 2-3 years in the AHL is commonplace. Here in Vancouver it is reason for fans to commit ritual seppuku. The kid is a fourth round draft pick. He may NEVER make the NHL. If he does, it will be because of prolonged effort at the AHL level to refine his game.

  • wojohowitz

    The Sharks iced an AHL lineup, outshot the Canucks 36-15, controlled the play and worst of all the Canucks came out of it bloodied, bruised and injured.

  • wojohowitz

    more cuts

    Darren Archibald Left Wing AHL
    Kevin Carr Goaltender AHL
    Cole Cassels Centre AHL
    Derek Hulak Left Wing AHL
    Yan-Pavel Laplante Left Wing AHL
    Evan McEneny Defence AHL
    Danny Moynihan Left Wing AHL
    John Negrin Defence AHL
    Marco Roy Centre AHL
    Mackenze Stewart Defence AHL
    Curtis Valk Centre AHL

    The following player has been assigned to their junior club:

    Rylan Parenteau Goaltender Prince Albert WHL

  • wojohowitz

    Travis Green knows more about Subban than anyone, he knows his weakness thus so do the Canucks management. It is pretty obvious WD and JB and TL want two-way responsible players. Until Subban fixes his defensive game he will stay in Utica.

    Of those mentioned that transitioned from defense to forward, they are all sound defensively. One dimensional players are not going to find a spot on the Canucks, it has been made perfectly clear.

    • TheRealPB

      All of them played defense in the NHL, so of course they all were sound defensively.

      But Subban might never make into the NHL if he insists on being a defenseman. Further, what is considered “sound defense” for a defenseman is quite different than what it is for a forward. In particular, on offense a defenseman must show considerably more discipline than a winger.

  • TheRealPB

    Which fans are frustrated to see Subban sent to the AHL? Is there an outcry? Is it so terrible that he’s being sent to the AHL for more seasoning, especially given (as others have pointed out) the truncated preseason schedule?