Canucks Army Prospect Profiles #8: Andrey Pedan

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At times, fans and media alike are guilty of undervaluing NHL-readiness when it comes to prospects. When a player has spent a number of years on the cusp of making the jump to the NHL, it’s easy to forget how difficult it is just to get that far. Regardless of how much offensive upside some of the other prospects in the Canucks’ system may have, the 13 games Andrey Pedan played at the NHL level last season are quite likely 13 more than some of the players we’ve already listed will ever play. 

Pedan’s status as a hard-nosed defensive defenceman isn’t likely to endear him to the spreadsheet and pocket-protector crowd, but the fact remains that these types of players are still useful, and remain highly sought after in the modern NHL. More importantly, the emphasis on numbers-based evaluation has on occasion led many of us in the blogosphere to underestimate young players that have made their name playing an old-school brand of hockey. When we have only 13 games of action to go on, many of which were played out of position, it’s prudent to remember that Pedan’s reputation as a rough-and-tumble stay-at-home defenceman does not preclude him from being a good NHL player in the near future. 

Well-run teams do not go out and spend money on depth. They draft well enough to be able to promote from within. That’s why having a player like Andrey Pedan in the system is a good thing. Pedan will likely be a cost-controlled option on the third pairing next season, where he’ll get a chance to prove he belongs at this level. Some players on this list will likely give the club more value than Pedan can in the long run, but few will have the opportunity to make such an immediate impact, and that’s a large part of why he’s jumped up a full 9 spots from last year’s preseason consensus ranking.

A former third-round pick of the New York Islanders, Pedan played three seasons with the Guelph Storm before making the jump to professional hockey. After an underwhelming 12-point draft-eligible season offensively, Pedan’s production exploded to a .68 PPG game over his next two seasons. Pedan also amassed a whopping 297 penalty minutes over that time, many of which were earned on fighting majors, and he was the OHL’s most penalized player of 2013. 

Despite a relatively successful OHL career, Pedan struggled to adapt to hockey at the pro level. He was frequently a healthy scratch for the Brigeport Sound Tigers, and he event spent time with the Islanders’ ECHL affiliate, the Stockton Thunder. Upon second glance, however, it’s clear he was a victim of circumstance. The Sound Tigers were loaded on defence during Pedan’s tenure. Ty Wishart, Aaron Ness, Matt Donovan, and Griffin Reinhart may not be the marquee prospects they once were, but during Pedan’s time with the Islanders’ organization they were all highly touted AHL players. Pedan also had bona-fide future NHLers to compete with as well, with both Travis Hamonic and Calvin de Haan spending time in Bridgeport alongside him.  

Clearly, something about Andrey Pedan caught Jim Benning’s eye. When Benning sent a third-round pick and infamous draft bust Alex Mallet to the Islanders in exchange for Pedan’s services, there wasn’t much cause for celebration. In retrospect, the move appears to have been a shrewd one, however, as Pedan was able to firmly establish himself as an AHL regular upon arriving in Utica, where he was able to drastically improve upon his offensive production. Impressively, in the span of just one season, Pedan was able to go from ECHL fodder to NHL call-up.

Pedan’s abillity to refine his game at both ends of the ice speaks volumes about his chances of making an impact at the NHL level. He possesses a number of assets NHL GMs covet: size, physicality, and speed. But what separates a promising prospect from an NHL player is the ability to turn those assets into a net gain for their NHL club. Thus far, there’s a number of reasons to believe Pedan is capable of doing so. All the talk of Pedan’s appeal to old-school hockey fans has served to significantly undersell his physical toolkit. Not only is Pedan an absolute behemoth, standing at 6’5″, but he also took home the title of fastest skater and hardest shot at the most recent Canucks Superskills competition. Finding a defenceman that can skate as fast as Jannik Hansen at Pedan’s size is almost unheard of, so Pedan’s physical advantages cannot be understated. 

pGPS also shines a very positive light on Andrey Pedan. Out of 38 statistical matches, 10 had some level of NHL success. Not all of the matches were household names, but surprisingly, it did feature some fancystats darlings in Patrick Wiercioch and Mattias Ekholm. The truth is, there is a precedent for players in Pedan’s cohort becoming successful NHLers, and the fact that Pedan has already seen time in the NHL bodes very well for his development. 

It’s regrettable that Pedan’s 13-game stint with the big club tells us virtually nothing about what he can do as an NHLer. Not only was Pedan playing on garbage time, largely as an experiment, but he was also perplexingly deployed as a forward for much of his time in Vancouver. Using Pedan as a “swing player” was questionable at best, something Canucks Army’s Ryan Biech discussed in early April of this year:  

Good teams don’t generally have these swing players, they have enough depth in their forward ranks that moving a defenceman up to play 5-7 minutes is not needed. The only team that does this with some regularity is the Tampa Bay Lightning, but they will usually double shift a forward in the 12th forward spot and it’s usually Nikita Nesterov as the 7th dressed defenceman. 

Nesterov is then used a power-play quarterback and then rotated in for some regular shifts as a defenceman. So using the Lightning as a comparable, Nesterov has a specific role that they are trying to maximize, where Pedan is just likely meant to play big and tough. Roles that could easily be filled by incumbent NHL forwards Derek Dorsett and Jake Virtanen. Brent Burns has done this role in the past, but Burns is an elite player who played his entire junior career as a forward, thus the transition is easier.

We also profiled where the Canucks sit in regards to the forward group last week, and to summarize, it’s a crowded group for next year. So adding Pedan to that group just adds another body fighting for ice time. It also means that a roster spot is being taken away from Brendan Gaunce or Alexandre Grenier. Although both have had some struggles adjusting to the NHL, they are best served playing and having Pedan up front just puts another roadblock in their way. This is even before the Canucks go shopping the UFA market.”

In other words, Pedan appears to be a good bet to be an NHL contributor in the near future, but with a significant caveat: the Canucks are very crowded this year, both at Pedan’s natural left D and at forward. This could throw a wrench in his development.  

On the verge of making the NHL, Pedan finds himself at a crossroads. He should make the big club next year as a 7th defenceman, but should he falter at camp, he could find himself on waivers. After last year’s Frank Corrado debacle, the Canucks’ brain trust will likely be looking to avoid such a situation at all cost. That being said, Pedan will have to do everything in his power to make the opening night roster and prove he belongs in the NHL. In today’s league, injuries are a virtual inevitability, so once Pedan finds himself in the lineup, he’ll need to make the most of the opportunity. If he can do so, he may become a mainstay on the Canucks’ blueline sooner rather than later.

  • TheRealPB

    Very interesting piece, highlighting Pedan’s speed, skill and physical play. Well done. Even worked in a Corrado reference, but I forget if that earns a gold star or a thumbs down.

  • Vanoxy

    Basically a bigger, tougher, faster,younger, cheaper Sbisa, with a higher ceiling.

    So, likely traded pre-season or picked up on waivers, because Sbisa’s contract is un-tradeable.

    I hope he wins the 7th D-man job. Much higher potential than Biega. But Willie thinks Biega is Real Good for some reason.

  • Vanoxy

    After last year’s Frank Corrado debacle

    I consider that a pretty light-weight debacle. It seems clear that Corrado was of limited use to the Canucks, who were overrun with “almost-good-enough” defensemen.

    If Benning was telling the truth when he said he allowed Corrado to be put on waivers because he wanted Corrado to have the chance to play somewhere in the NHL then good on him.

    • ‘After the disappointment of losing Corrado last season…’ would have sufficed.

      it was blown out of proportion when it happened, and continues to be blown out of proportion.

      Today, if Corrado was still in the Canucks organization, would he be good enough for 3rd pairing?
      I doubt he would be inserted into the lineup before Sbisa, Larsen or Tryamkin, and he doesn’t stand out as being any better than Pedan or Biega…

      It may be disappointing to lose an asset on waivers. But to JB’s defense, he did try to trade him and nobody wanted him, but since he was free on waivers, the Leafs took a chance.

      Corrado is fringe to this point. and doesn’t deserve the ink. That dead horse must be the happiest dead horse with all the attention it has received.

  • SJ

    I like Pedan, hope he sticks as the 8th defenceman. Even if he has to swing up to forward for the odd game, that at least gives him a leg up on Biega for that last roster spot. Also, I think they could waive Biega without much risk. Pedan is much more likely to be scooped if you try to send him down.

  • We don’t have what Pedan brings to the table. The best teams have a variety of players with a variety of skill sets. What Pedan brings is difficult to measure. Big, strong, and tough. Mean. And he can play.

    We should start the season with eight defensemen. We have enough cap space to do this. Rotating one guy in and out of the lineup is also an option. When injuries hit, like they always do, there is an extra body around. No need to call anyone up.

    Others may disagree, but I think Pedan won’t clear waivers. He has too much to offer.

  • Spiel

    His NHL season highlight was tuning up Jordan Nolan. Something which was a long time coming.

    Pedan and Gudbranson are going to be on pest control this year – taking care of the rats.

      • Spiel

        I’m not sure Tryamkin makes the team this year. Didn’t seem to have the puck moving and decision making skills for an NHL regular. Tryamkin’s size stood out, but so did the number of times he iced the puck. Tryamkin, Pedan, Gudbranson would give this team some size and snarl, but I doubt all three will be playing in the top 6 at the same time.

        • Bob Long

          I think Tryamkin makes it over Pedan. Nikita physically handled guys better than Pedan. It was awesome to see the Ducks get manhandled and Pedan doesn’t bring that, even with his height.

          I still think Pedan will be traded and is the odd man out in the mix, not because he doesn’t have potential but because his skill set is duplicated elsewhere.

  • Dirty30

    Hutton outplayed Corrado and has developed into a top 4 defenseman. If another out of nowhere defenseman beat out Pedan and solidified his place on the team like Hutton, are people really going to be upset if Pedan is lost on waivers? I swear people are more upset losing Corrado then they are happy about having Hutton.

    That said, all I know is that whomever the Canucks put on waivers, the Leafs are going to claim them. Just wait for the Christian Ehrhoff PTO. What a joke.

    • EddyC

      Where are the stats that show Hutton as such a great D? I hope he progresses next year but I didn’t think he had the year everyone is talking about.

      I don’t think minus 21 is a good number for a D

      • Dirty30

        I was too liberal with the word “great”. Hutton was 3rd in rookie defenseman scoring, 62nd overall in d scoring (ahead of young promising defenseman like Hanafin, Trouba, Alzner, Dekeyser, Maata, etc). He also made the Leafs/Oilers (aka Canada World Cup)team of non-playoff teams. Yah Hutton did not play much, and his plus minus was brutal. But Hutton was one of the very, very few bright spots on a terribly dismal year; a fifth round pick that came out of nowhere to play top 4 minutes. Is he “great”? Of course not, but truth be told, the Canucks have never had a “great” defenseman. They have had nice defenseman in Edler, Ehrhoff, Jeff Brown, Ohlund, Lumme, and Reinhart. But no one great.

        I did like Corrado, and wish him all the best with the Leafs. I just like Hutton and his potential a whole lot more.

        • Vanoxy

          Paul Reinhart was a great d man.Injuries cut short his career but not before he captained and led the entire Canucks pin upteam in points.

          I cannot think of one other NHL d man that performed that same feat.

  • TheRealPB

    Pedan, Tryamkin and Gudbranson bring a new truculence to the Canucks backend that has been missing for sometime.

    Hutton will move the puck, Tanev will suppress shots and hopefully Edler will stay healthy, but those three will make it difficult for forwards to stay in the crease. Tough big and young

  • Dirty30

    “Even worked in a Corrado reference, but I forget if that earns a gold star or a thumbs down”.

    Are we talking the same Corrado that couldn’t crack THE LEAFS lineup?

    Thumbs down, that’s if the people that think Corrado is anything except a marginal 5% NHLer can get their thumbs out of their asses long enough…..

    If Seinfeld was still around, we’d have to come up with something like …. “whenever people continually use an old, tired example of something that is so unimportant that it numbs the brain – we can call it a Corrado”.

    • Fred-65

      It wasn’t that Corrado couldn’t crack the line up but more a p!ssing competition between Babcock and Lamoriello. Booth wanted control of who was brough in to the club and it ended as a stand off to Corrados dismay. However I see TO has signed him again on a one way contract. Those that don’t like Corrado are likely the same that don’t like Edler and when at the game ( if in fact they ever actually go to a game )keep yelling shoot shoot as though the opposition goalie was straight out of Pee Wee 🙂

      Back To Pedan I hope they can find a roster spot for him. I recall Naslund talking about Wade Brookbank when he said “Having Wade here makes every on on the bench 6” taller “

      • detox

        Incorrect. Corrado said he damaged his shoulder in the 2015 AHL playoffs. Benning and Co. had him continue to play in the playoffs. Corrado then had surgery in late June and could not train. Benning chose his roster based on a small sample size of pre season games that Corrado played despite no off season training.

        The leafs sat Corrado the first few months so his shoulder could heal and so he could train properly. He started playing top 4 minutes and had good possession numbers in the last third of the season.

        • detox

          what I don’t understand is if he was still recovering, why wasn’t he on injured reserve? I thought you could be on injured reserve until you are ready to play- fit.

    • Dirty30

      George Costanza up-date: “I’m unemployed, live in my parents’ basement and had Frankie Corrado as the top pick in my hockey pool … Will you go out with me?”

  • Vanoxy

    Playing Pedan and forward last season made some sense if you see him as taking the 23rd roster spot. Unless he makes the top 6, knowing that he can play 4th line minutes in a pinch is worth something. It’s also an indication that the team does see him as a roster player.

    • TheRealPB

      Yes, this is what I started thinking when someone posted this idea a little while ago, it makes much more sense to see what Pedan’s flexibility is.

      I hadn’t really thought about his speed that much but that highlights package showed a couple of things that I think the article undersells. He seems like he’s got a decent shot is exceptionally mobile (the article does do a nice job of mentioning his speed) and I like the fact that for a guy who is supposed to clear the crease, he actually clears the crease. That’s something that has always driven me crazy about Sbisa — if he was brought in to add an element of toughness to the back end I think that was an abject failure because there are still too many goals where there’s a guy standing in front dumping in a rebound and Luca’s caught in no-man’s land. We haven’t really had a good crease-clearing d since Mitchell (Bieksa was a middleweight at best for all his superman punches) and that’s not Tanev or Edler’s game. I think having Pedan to rotate in to spell Larsson, Sbisa and whoever the 12th forward is (Grenier, Burrows or Gaunce?) makes a lot of sense.

    • detox

      ” to lose him to waivers would be unforgivable.”

      it would at least be disappointing but calling it unforgivable might land you a job as a blogger…

      I don’t want to lose Pedan on waivers but if a prospect can’t crack the lineup on a, as we hear it often, bottom team like the Canucks, is it really that big of a loss?

      I’d guess Pedan’s size and skating would garner some interest from other clubs and it won’t get as far as waivers.

      • TheRealPB

        Well ok, unforgivable was a little strong, but I like Pedan and would like to see him get a chance.
        It is a competitive roster at camp so its up to him, I’m just saying don’t give him away.

  • wojohowitz

    A very positive article that does not address any of Pedan`s shortcomings. As Harry Neale once said about Michel Petit; `He has all the tools but not the toolbox`. There were times last year when Pedan relaxed like the whistle had blown but it hadn`t and the other team made a play and sometimes scored. Also at times his anticipation of what`s about to happen was very weak. During the play he does not always have his head in the game. That`s why he is still talked about as a number seven defenceman and not a top four. He may never get to the point where he can `think` the game and that`s why the Islanders traded him.

    Let me add why and when Biega got his contract. During a game down in LA Henrik took a cheap shot along the boards but a big bruising King. Biega was the first and only Canuck to jump the guy. All 5`10 Biega jumped on a 6` something King because he knew he had to protect his team mate and a few days later he had his one way contract. Biega will stand up for his team mates and both Benning and Willie saw him as a team first guy and what does that say about the rest of the Canucks.

    • TheRealPB

      Biega got his deal because he is a decent AHL defenseman. That is why he moved from a 2013-2014 $600k/$105k to a 2014-2015 $600k/$325k NHL/AHL deal — those are great numbers to be playing in the AHL. Now he’s on a one-way deal which means he’s only making $700k/$800k the next two years but it’s regardless of here or the AHL. Which basically means that he’s unlikely to be picked up as insurance when he is exposed to waivers. The idea that “truculence” somehow got Biega this deal is sheer nonsense. He got it because he’s been a dependable and steady defenseman at the AHL level and serviceable at replacement level on the third pairing at the NHL. But it’s obvious that he struggled in anything higher than that — as with all of Vancouver’s glorified AHL d-men last year (Weber, Bartkowski, Biega) he was overmatched physically and in terms of positioning and decision-making all too often. It’s nice to stand up for your teammates; it’s nicer if you can stand up at the blue line and stop an offensive foray into your zone or keep the puck out of your net.

      Pedan has barely had a chance to show what he can be as an actual defenseman in the NHL. He spent most games on the wing and demonstrated some flexibility there. Pedan’s not analogous to Petit — Sbisa is. Though Sbisa doesn’t seem to be as much of a dick as I remember Petit to be.

  • wojohowitz

    i would not accept pedan in trade for several prospects you are rating lower than him. the fact he is closer to the nhl doesn’t make him a better prospect for me. he has almost no potential to be more than a 5-6 dman.

    being a bottom 5-6 nhl dman is beating the odds and a major achievement for the player, but serviceable bottom pair/4th liners are fairly easy and cheap to acquire. what is the trade value of a an established nhl bottom pair dman compared to a prospect still in junior with a chance to be a top 4 guy?

    maybe the statistical prospect rating systems should be looking at the likelihood of players being top 4 defencemen or top 9 forwards, not just nhl games.

    anyway, pedan looked unready last season when he got his shot with the big club. if he had gotten 20 games on defence he might have settled in but those guys so rarely do. in this case, tryamkin came along and was immediately a better more intelligent version of the same kind of player without the benefit of all the ahl training and seasoning pedan has had.

    i am not sure either of these guys is ready for a full season of real nhl hockey, but pedan is also not going to make much more progress in the ahl so i guess you either bring him along slowly in the nhl or wish him well on his travels. i am not terribly fussed either way.

    subject to training camp surprises or a trade, i think they will platoon biega and larsen on the right side, try to talk tryamkin into starting in the ahl, and, if that works, pedan will be sitting on the pine in the nhl until a left side defenceman gets hurt. if tryamkin will not agree to go down and is playing passable hockey, i think pedan gets waived.

  • Jackson McDonald

    Love his speed. Love his size. Love his shot. Love his snarl. As toolsy as they come.

    Pedan just needs to learn to process the flow of play at NHL speed and be more consistent game-to-game.

    A team with one of Gudbranson, Tryamkin and Pedan on the ice at all times would be a thing of beauty.

    In a couple of years, Pedan for Mallet may look like highway robbery by Benning.

  • wojohowitz

    I`m not one to criticize the negativity of CA writers but the article was not well-balanced. It is about an eighth defenceman on the depth chart who may be on waivers soon enough, or is it about a team that finished 28th last season and one I project to finish 30th next season.

  • Vanoxy

    “Well-run teams do not go out and spend money on depth. They draft well enough to be able to promote from within.” Amen. Every time we make a trade for a bottom 6, bottom pairing or press box guy, I always shake my head for that reason.

    I kind of disagree about the “swing” players though. Brent Burns and Dustin Byfuglien are both star players who have played significant minutes at forward and defence, and who bring an element of versatility to a lineup that can be a major advantage for a team. It’s not the same thing as just dressing 7 defencemen, which is what the Lightning do. I agree that it was pointless and stupid to do with Pedan last year, though.

    And let’s not downplay Corrado’s value too much here. The Leaves held him out to start the year (lingering injury issues), and when he came back, he was the team’s best possession defenceman. He’s a bona fide NHL defenceman, probably in the #4-5 range, which is more than we can say about a good chunk of the guys vying for NHL jobs with the Canucks next year. It’s time to get over it, sure, but it was still a fairly significant screwup, both at the time and evaluated in hindsight.

    • Dirty30

      So let’s say you’re right and Benning goofed … What’s the outcome? Do we jump in the hot-tub time-machine and go back and change things? Do we tune the pitchforks and chant for JB to be sacked?

      Do you get to say “I told you so!” until the end of time and in every multidimensional universe even those in which most inhabitants are still using stone tools?

      Should we pass the hat and get you a one-way ticket to Toronto so you can be reunited with Frankie and frolic in the leafs together and send us “me and Frankie” Tweets that would make Bieber puke?

      Or can you just man up and let it go?

      Benning goofed. Big deal. He has done worse and will likely rinse and repeat until he is retired to where ever it is used GMs go.

      If he wins the SC for us all will be forgiven. If not, it’s just another walk of shame for some GM to the nearest exit.

    • TheRealPB

      It actually astounds me that we literally cannot discuss a single Canucks prospect or trade it seems without referring to the mythical Corrado. I’m trying to think of a single player in the history of the franchise who has generated this much angst. It’s almost Neely-esque. Except we’re still talking about a 6th-7th defenseman.

      No matter how much revisionist history you want to spin, that’s still what we’re talking about. Yes he was coming off an injury. And yes it was what turned out to be an unnecessary loss–at least temporarily since Higgins could have been assigned to the injured list. It likely wouldn’t have mattered in the long run since he got bypassed by Hutton on the basis of performance and Bartkowski and Weber didn’t look like the total tire fires they turned out to be at the start of the season. Let’s face it, he wasn’t even the best d in Utica the previous year — Sanguinetti, Biega, Huskins and Negrin were and Clendening and the others played much bigger roles in the playoffs.

      You can say that the Leafs were being more careful and conscientious about the injury except that’s not what was being talked about at the time — people were openly wondering if the NHL needed to redo the waiver rules so that someone couldn’t pick up a player and just stash them and then give them a fictitious injury rehab stint in the AHL. Did he get to play with them? Yes — when they traded most of their D and couldn’t play Reilly and Gardiner every single shift. Was he decent — yes in limited relatively sheltered minutes he was perfectly fine. He is the equivalent of Biega. Or Ryan Stanton. Or any number of other fringe d-men who come and go off of every roster.

      Has everyone forgotten that Corrado was waived again THIS YEAR? That the Leafs took him to arbitration and signed him for less than Pedan? That they had so much confidence in him that they re-signed noted pylon Roman Polak?

      Corrado seems like a perfectly decent player just not one to lose so much damned sleep over.

      • wojohowitz

        The point isn’t Corrado specifically. The point is that I believe that Benning’s mismanagement of the team is akin to death by a thousand paper cuts. Many of his moves haven’t been catastrophically bad viewed in a vacuum (though some have), but there is a constant pattern of destroying value, steadily eroding assets such that all of the smaller screwups are starting to accumulate. Benning’s defenders invariably come out with the retort “that was a minor mistake, not a big deal” which is a great red herring from the broader point that while Benning hasn’t necessarily gotten crushed on any trades (though some have that potential), he’s lost almost all of them. That’s a major concern.

        • TheRealPB

          I agree that one has to look at the macro view. In that macro view I would contend that Benning has built and replenished a prospect pool and divested us of bad contracts over the course of three years. It is an overstatement to say that every single transaction has been negative — to my mind the poor or unnecessary ones are the Shinkaruk-Granlund trade, the non-moves of Hamhuis and Vrbata last year, the unnecessary loss of Corrado, and the re-signing of Sbisa. Those are countered by the trades for Baertschi and Etem, the trading of Kesler, Bieksa, Lack and Garrison, the drafting of Tryamkin, Olson, Demko, Boeser, Gaudette, and the signings of Stetcher and Gaudette. Mixed or insufficient data on the Gudbrandson trade, the Virtanen and Juolevi picks, the gambles on Vey and Clendening. But by all means just stick with a hopelessly un-nuanced view.

          • Whackanuck

            I don’t have an un-nuanced view. We just disagree. I liked the Baertschi move from day 1, I made that clear. I don’t think Etem’s much of a player (impressed me very little last year), the proceeds of the Kesler trade have been frittered away (or sucked to begin with, in the case of Sbisa), the Bieksa trade was fine but it was actually worse than it should have been after the Ducks/Sharks snafu. The return for Lack was below market at the time, Garrison is a top 4 defenceman that we could still use (he had a bad year under Tortorella, and somehow never got any benefit of the doubt for that, but has been good for the Lightning since) and got us a dud in return in Vey via a draft pick. We lost the Bonino trade, we will end up having lost the McCann trade, the Shinkaruk trade was just stupid, we lost the Kassian trade (if only because we threw away a draft pick and Prust was so crummy here). Tryamkin, Olson, Gaudette and Stecher are all just question marks right now. I like Demko, Boeser and Juolevi for sure, and have consistently said on this board that I wish Benning would use his draft picks rather than trading them away, because I think his drafting is worlds better than his trading (though getting good players in the top 10 because the team is lousy is like kissing your sister). If we were calling him “Drafter Jim” instead of “Trader Jim”, based on his proclivities for the former instead of the latter since becoming the GM, I think we’d be in far better shape, but all of the trades have made us far worse than we would be.

          • detox

            Being a Canuck fan, in many trade proposals I see on the internet involving Canuck players, I often see we overvalue our players.

            when I read, “The return for Lack was below market at the time”, I am confused about what market people are talking about? JB talks to other teams about players he wants to move, he lets other teams know when he is seeing interest in one of his players to create competition and drive up the return for the player.

            When you move a player, you usually move them for the best return possible. (maybe you don’t move them to division rivals unless it is a huge return).

            So when I see the return on Lack was at below market value, it is confusing unless the person who posts it knows of a better deal offered. If there was no better deal offered, the return was market value.

          • TheRealPB

            Perhaps it’s unfair to call it un-nuanced. It just seems hopelessly negative on everything and unfair in a lot of the assessment. You’re right perhaps it’s just a difference in assessment. I think Etem is decent — not overwhelming, but he came on especially as the year wore on. Nick Jensen still hasn’t shown squat at the NHL level. Lack continues to be a backup — it’s clear that Talbot on the other hand was likely worth it (the worst of those young goalie trades without question was Lehner, a serious overpay). Garrison had an ok first year but had 11 points in 72 games last year for TB and is currently the 5th on their depth chart making the most money. Bonino was underwhelming until the last month of the season (and playoffs) when he got Kessel and Hagelin on his wings and took off. Context matters. Kassian is a fourth liner (even though I’ll agree that Prust is terrible). And arguably Benning got as good or better value with his lower picks than his higher ones.

            You may disagree with what Benning has done — and he certainly has had some missteps — but I think you have to be a little more fair in your description of a lot of these moves.

          • Dirty30

            Perhaps, but I’d just like to restate my overarching point which is that Benning has not really killed it on any of the trades (save Baertschi, again, which I have unwaveringly praised), whereas I’m pretty happy with his drafting and think he’s clearly got some skill for it. So, please please PLEASE, stop trading draft picks and young draftees away, and keep them around to develop instead. Perhaps there’s an ownership component there (ie: win now), but Benning needs to stand up for a plan of winning what we can now, but not at the expense of building for the future. Benning will certainly not introspectively acknowledge that trading isn’t his strength (as compared to evaluating pre-NHL talent, for example), but I am perfectly willing to state it for him.

            Jim, you’re a draft guru. So, use your draft picks, and try to get more of them while you’re at it.

  • Whackanuck

    Its too early to worry about losing Pedan or any of the lesser defensemen. None of Pedan, Tryamkin or Biega showed much in the way of possession numbers and the two Russians were still adapting to the NHL. It is unlikely any would be protected in the expansion draft although I think Tryamkin is ineligible.Let us see which one or two stand out in training camp.

    CNucks have third pick in the season opening waiver draft so a better player may emerge, including the lamented Corrado