The Roundup

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Trading a young star, stats for days, behind the Kesler trade talks, Draisaitl versus Bennett and more, all in this weeks roundup

In the roundup we go around the Nation Network and give you some of the best articles of the last couple weeks. Every once in a while it’s good to know what other teams are doing, or maybe you find an interesting article you wouldn’t have found otherwise. 

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  • Burnward

    It’s these joint articles that allows my pity for Oiler fans to diminish over the summer.

    But soon enough it’ll be November again.

    You guys might just have to accept that little fourth rounder Johnny G has a shot at being better than both Nuge and Yak.

    I’d be pissed too, but it is quite possible.

  • The Last Big Bear

    Also, these “interNational” articles are the best.

    They just turn into Calgary vs Edmonton trash-talking brawls, with occasional pot-shots against Vancouver.

    Which is awesome.

  • The Last Big Bear

    What do Malkin, Kovalchuk, and Brad Richards have in common?

    Those are all of the prospects, from all of the major development leagues, within the last 20 years, who posted a higher NHLe than Johnny Gaudreau.

    Yes, as far as I’m aware that’s the entire list.

    So while its far from a foregone conclusion that he makes it as an impact NHLer, y’all might want to start getting comfortable with the idea of the 13 year old kid from The Wonder Years scoring filthy hat tricks against your teams.

    Because its becoming a distinct possibility.

    • Do what Weight did?

      Thank you Big Bear!

      Every time I read your trolling on ON, I’ll think of this comment, and remember how credible you truly are. I just hope you guys don’t blunder big time and do something stupid like trade Gaudreau for Weber

    • The Last Big Bear

      What does an oompaloopma, every girl I’ve ever dated, and Johnny Gaudreau’s Grandmother have in common? They’re all taller than Jogny Gaudreau. He’s 5 foot tall. He will never, ever, ever make the NHL.

      • The Last Big Bear

        NHLe stands for “NHL equivalence”, and is *basically* a way of converting points scored in other leagues into how many points that would be worth in the NHL.

        Each league has a conversion factor. For example, the WHL conversion factor is about 0.3. This means that kids who score at a point-per-game in the WHL and then go to the NHL have in the past scored ON AVERAGE about 0.3 points-per-game, or 24.6 points in their rookie NHL season.

        So a kid who scores a point per game in the CHL will have an NHLe of about 25, and can be expected to post ON AVERAGE about 24.6 points as a rookie.

        Gaudreau has an NHLe of 67 (plus 1 NHL goal in 1 NHL game). Meaning he would be statistically expected to score about 67 points as a rookie.

        His 80 points in NCAA is approximately the equivalent of posting a 200 point season in the CHL.

        • piscera.infada

          I’m as excited about Gaudreau as the next guy, I really am. I have some issue with the context of your initial claim however. Isn’t NHLe typically used to examine (and compare) prospects in their draft and then draft+1 year? I only ask because comparing a player in their draft+3 season versus their draft+1 season is, at least prima facie, incongruous.

          Don’t get me wrong, the kid’s a solid prospect (draft+1, +2, whatever), and it’s hard not to get your hopes up for something special, but when were the NHLe’s for Malkin, Kovalchuk, and Richards taken from? Draft year? Draft+1? It’s not nearly a one-to-one. Still very impressive numbers though – at the bear minimum, his increase in NHLe year-over-year shows he’s trending (exploding?) in the right direction.

          • The Last Big Bear

            One of the features (an weaknesses) of NHLe is that age doesn’t matter.

            All players from a given league who play in the NHL the following season have their PPG ratio calculated (with maybe a cut-off for minimum games played).

            That’s it.

            Crosby had an NHLe of 67 as an 18 year old. Gaudreau has an NHLe of 67 as a 20 year old.

            It might initially seem unfair to compare them,, but statistically it holds true. Because we’re predicting Crosby’s production as a 19 year old versus Gaudreau’s production as a 21 year old.

            Gaudreau has an unfair advantage in his NHLe by virtue of being older, but that unfair advantage will still hold true in their rookie seasons because Gaudreau will still be 2 years older in his rookie year.

            A player with an NHLe of 67 should be (more or less) just as likely to score 67 points in the NHL the following season as another player with an NHLe of 67, irrespective of age.

            These are all just rough and average numbers, as we know. Crosby knocked his NHLe predictions of the park and scored 102 points. We’ll have to wait and see with Gaudreau.

            But it’s been a very very long time since somebody scored like Gaudreau and didn’t make a big splash in the NHL.

            (As a side note, it has been shown that there is a different NHLe for players in the AHL who are above a certain age. A 21 year old who points a 70 point season in the AHL can be expected to have a better subsequent NHL season than a 32 year old who posts 70 points in the AHL. Different career trajectories But it’s worth noting that Gaudreau is about the average age of kids coming to the NHL out of college, so his NHLe should not be affected this way).

          • The Last Big Bear

            I was asked a question about NHLe relating to age, and in order to answer that, I needed to provide a comparable. I compared Gaudreau to Crosby because Crosby had the same pre-rookie NHLe as Gaudreau. Call me crazy.

            Gaudreau just posted the equivalent of a 196 point CHL season.

            The list of comparables is very VERY short.

            I also pointed out why and how this is makes Crosby better, and how Crosby blew even those predictions out of the water, while openly acknowledging that Gaudreau might never make an impact in the NHL.

            But hey, if all you can take home from that is “Lol you compared him to Crosby”, well that’s cool too.

          • piscera.infada

            Fair enough, it was an honest question, and I fully understand what you’re saying. I just think that ’67’ number gets beaten to death sometimes – it almost loses all value. Speaking purely of the growth in his production though, it’s hard not to get excited.

  • Nuggets

    So, if Gordon’s eating tough minutes, should Mac T go get someone to help him? I see Havlat is still on the market. Hendricks Gordon Havlat. Holy crap that’s an impressive shut down line.

    • I know the NHL is making him wear a visor. I am just suggesting that it is easier to face punch other people, when they can’t face punch you back without wrecking their hands’. All the punch corsi in the world didn’t stop that rat Kassian from breaking little sammy snowpant’s jaw into a million pieces. Hope baby Nuge likes soup.

  • Mike Krushelnyski

    I used to be lost, my life lacked any meaning, I was going down a road I didn’t want to be on…until a friend showed me a book that changed my life.

    A book called “The Calgary Flames Suck”.

  • piscera.infada

    I’ll never understand why I check a website about the oilers everyday in the middle of summer. I mean, it’s the bottom feeding, craptastic oilers! Sweet baby Jesus there must be somthing wrong with me.

    Good stuff coming from the nation tho, hopefully there’s more than 1 canadian team making the playoffs this year. Bring the cup back to canada already