Canucks Army Podcast - Episode 7 - 2016-2017

Satiar Shah
December 15 2016 10:00AM

In this week's episode of the Canucks Army Podcast we speak to Jason Botchford from the Vancouver Province.

We delve into a number of juicy Canucks topics, including Willie Desjardins' job security and what potential changes we could see in the front office.

Of course we also talk potential trades and whether the management group has full autonomy to make any deals at this point in time. 

There's plenty more, including some thoughts on Brandon Sutter and Erik Gudbranson.

Have a listen, it'll be worth it.

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#1 Fred-65
December 15 2016, 03:27PM
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Assets, strip down, tank & prospects, sure doesn't sound like a person that is currently spending a dime on attending games to Rogers Arena. Why would any one want to watch juniors or saliva over assets. That's not what you pay NHL price tickets for

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#2 Forever 1915
December 15 2016, 04:16PM
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"Sure sounds like Travis Green has had a very positive affect on Virtanen who couldn't stop raving about his coach in Utica." (From Carol Schram's Hockeybuzz article from today that won't link)

Still not convinced that Desjardins *isn't* the problem? 4 goals in 5 games and one happy player. Unlike the Vancouver Canucks.

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#3 Chungus
December 15 2016, 05:07PM
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@Forever 1915

"Still not convinced that Desjardins *isn't* the problem? 4 goals in 5 games and one happy player. Unlike the Vancouver Canucks."

Still not convinced....the NHL is on another level to the AHL. Green and Desjardins have very different mandates. Green is in the AHL to develop players. Desjardin is in the NHL to win games. You don't see people calling for Coach Green to be fired when the comets are on a losing streak. The things Green is working on with Virtanen are things Virt should already know at the NHL level. Desjardin was also a successful coach at the AHL level.

Green is continuing to do a great job as a development coach, but you aren't going to convince me that Virt was playing like crap in the NHL because of Desjardin. Especially not with one out-of-context quote. The kid simply wasn't ready and the coach isn't the one who sends players up and down.

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#4 Braindead Benning
December 15 2016, 05:13PM
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The things Green is working on with Virtanen are things Virt should already know at the NHL level.

and i think this sums up why JV is exactly where he should now, and where he should have been at the start of the sesaon

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#5 Riley Miner
December 15 2016, 08:16PM
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I honestly do think that the Canucks win more games with a coach other than Desjardins with line-up decisions alone. Leaving Sutter w/ the Sedins basically renders the first line useless (for the most part), they scratched Baertschi who was part of the Canucks' best line, refused to scratch Skille or Chaput during their horrible stretches (yeah, Skille's looking okay now) and who knows if there even is another line? Might as well not exist. Granlund has been invisible, Eriksson w/ Granlund has also been invisible, Megna's been okay at times, though the underlying numbers says he hasn't... Plus, this team is virtually incapable of flushing out high-danger chances. All of that to me is coaching flaws, and remediable with better lineup decisions and better systems play. To me, writing off the bad season to personnel is unfair to the front office. With a better PDO and better coach, this team is on the bubble. I have no doubt of this. Is that a good thing? Well, that's an entirely different story.

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#6 Forever 1915
December 16 2016, 12:36PM
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Chungus wrote:

"Still not convinced that Desjardins *isn't* the problem? 4 goals in 5 games and one happy player. Unlike the Vancouver Canucks."

Still not convinced....the NHL is on another level to the AHL. Green and Desjardins have very different mandates. Green is in the AHL to develop players. Desjardin is in the NHL to win games. You don't see people calling for Coach Green to be fired when the comets are on a losing streak. The things Green is working on with Virtanen are things Virt should already know at the NHL level. Desjardin was also a successful coach at the AHL level.

Green is continuing to do a great job as a development coach, but you aren't going to convince me that Virt was playing like crap in the NHL because of Desjardin. Especially not with one out-of-context quote. The kid simply wasn't ready and the coach isn't the one who sends players up and down.

I agree that Virtanen wasn't ready. But what Desjardin should have done was to say "This kid isn't ready. Send him to Utica and give me a player who is ready, either a prospect like Grenier or one of the UFA depth players like Chaput." But he didn't do that, he either left him in the pressbox or gave him limited fourth-line minutes. Desjardins is partly to blame for Virtanen and is definitely responsible for a lot of the Canucks on-ice failings. And coaches are like players too, you can have a successful person who is successful in junior/NCAA/AHL but can't make the leap to the NHL. Desjardins is proving that - it's not like you're seeing failed executions of plays on the ice, you're not seeing any semblance of any coaching strategy.

Benning and Linden also have that too by making too many decisions that emphasized the current season rather than loading up for the next core that should have been ready about now (i.e. 2-3 years from when he took the job). Let's hope they don't make further mistakes like overpaying Gudbranson or extending Miller.

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#7 Tavvytav
December 17 2016, 11:29AM
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Like listening to your podcast. Botch was a good edition. If I could give a little bit of constructive criticism, JD try to sound more enthusiastic. Sometimes you can sound a little monotone. Otherwise it's good content. This podcast + pat cast + GTD leaves me with great content all week long. Keep up the good work.

Ps: sat , great editions. Nice to hear your opinions more, here, and on TSN. Love to hear you call out Pratt!!!!!!!

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