Canucks Army Draft Lottery Podcast

Dimitri Filipovic
April 15 2014 07:25PM

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Just say no to Jake.

After a thoroughly underwhelming Draft Lottery special on TSN, we know that the Vancouver Canucks are slated to pick 6th overall on June 27th in Philadelphia. There was a lot of deliberation on who the team should be targeting in our live chat, and I'm sure it's a topic that'll be heavily discussed in the weeks to come.

Pivoting off of that, we recorded a quick little podcast to discuss the options that figure to be available when that pick comes around, and some other stuff about draft philosophy. How much was Mike Gillis actually responsible for the team's dreadful track record during his time? 

Click past the jump to listen in. 

You can stream the podcast here, or download it here if that's your thing. 

Thanks for tuning in!

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Dimitri Filipovic writes about hockey on the internet, and is the Managing Editor of Canucks Army. You can follow him on Twitter @DimFilipovic, and email him at dimitri.filipovic@gmail.com.
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#51 Stars Onice
April 16 2014, 04:36PM
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@Ted

Canucks Army =

Cliff Claven aka NM00 VS The Shills aka Ted

NM00 = 0 Ted = 0 Canucks = -44

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#52 Ted
April 16 2014, 05:07PM
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PB wrote:

Nieuwendyk was never the same level of point producer in Dallas as in Calgary it's true but you're talking apples and oranges here as he was always a more consistent scorer than Kesler has been and continued to rack up the points in Dallas. Besides Neiuwendyk was 26 or 27 when he was traded (in his prime) while Kesler is arguably out of it (and plays a riskier style). I think Kesler is valuable but not as valuable as in the minds of fantasy hockey fans...

Actually, Joe was in his late 20's (29) and his point per game average did not drop off as much while in Dallas. His overall points did as he was injured more. He wasn't as aggressive as Kes but he did play a very physical style.

Anyway, the point being, teams will trade grade A prospects for established stars. It happens all the time. Players take time to develop so a team that is a legit contender now will easily deal a top prospect for a good player - like a Kesler!

I just take joy in proving Idiot00 wrong. :)

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#53 Lemming
April 16 2014, 05:35PM
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argoleas wrote:

Seriously, how the F is he still running that team?

Re: Garth Snow running the Isles: Would you say he's the "Wong" pick for the job?

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#54 Peachy
April 16 2014, 05:59PM
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Lemming wrote:

Re: Garth Snow running the Isles: Would you say he's the "Wong" pick for the job?

And the internet's silent groan at that awful and obvious joke is the signal to CA writers to put another article up post haste.

I mean that as a compliment of sorts.

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#55 andyg
April 16 2014, 06:21PM
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Ted wrote:

I know your mind may have problems with this but it's called getting a key piece. Here's an examply for ya, genius: Joe Niuewendyk for Jarome Iginla. Calgary got a top line winger for the future and the Joe went to help a team win the Cup.

That's why teams do it. Similar trades have been been over and over but that continue to be a shining example.

Another SFB00 moment...

Iginla was a prospect and had not even played in the NHL yet.

What he is saying is that it is very unlikely someone is going to trade a 23 year center who has already put up say 50 points at the NHL level.

You will either get a young prospect,maybe with 1st line potential or a young D plus...

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#56 argoleas
April 16 2014, 07:05PM
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Lemming wrote:

Re: Garth Snow running the Isles: Would you say he's the "Wong" pick for the job?

Good one

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#57 argoleas
April 16 2014, 07:17PM
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andyg wrote:

Iginla was a prospect and had not even played in the NHL yet.

What he is saying is that it is very unlikely someone is going to trade a 23 year center who has already put up say 50 points at the NHL level.

You will either get a young prospect,maybe with 1st line potential or a young D plus...

>> What he is saying is that it is very unlikely someone is going to trade a 23 year center who has already put up say 50 points at the NHL level.

Not sure that wouldn't happen. What if said player has zero playoff experience and the team needs success now. There are many permutations where Vancouver and other team may go for it.

>> You will either get a young prospect,maybe with 1st line potential

That would probably be the best outcome, just not sure that any team that Kes would want to go has such a prospect to give

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#58 andyg
April 16 2014, 08:00PM
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argoleas wrote:

>> What he is saying is that it is very unlikely someone is going to trade a 23 year center who has already put up say 50 points at the NHL level.

Not sure that wouldn't happen. What if said player has zero playoff experience and the team needs success now. There are many permutations where Vancouver and other team may go for it.

>> You will either get a young prospect,maybe with 1st line potential

That would probably be the best outcome, just not sure that any team that Kes would want to go has such a prospect to give

There have been people on here who suggested a player like Ryan Johanson. I can't see that happening.( 21 years old with 63 p.)

Don't take me wrong here I thing there would be top value back for Kess.

How about 3 firsts from the Ducks. 2 this and one next.

I would make a deal with Pits if Pouliot is involved.

For me it could be a top D prospect,forwards or many draft picks.It all adds up to depth.

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#59 2wongsmakeacanuck
April 16 2014, 08:19PM
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Yeah but at least Isles fans don't pretend to have hope. And they aren't that stupid or delusional...unlike some other fans. Ahem.

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#60 argoleas
April 16 2014, 09:01PM
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andyg wrote:

There have been people on here who suggested a player like Ryan Johanson. I can't see that happening.( 21 years old with 63 p.)

Don't take me wrong here I thing there would be top value back for Kess.

How about 3 firsts from the Ducks. 2 this and one next.

I would make a deal with Pits if Pouliot is involved.

For me it could be a top D prospect,forwards or many draft picks.It all adds up to depth.

Oh yeah, that one would not happen. Columbus is a very bad fit in so many ways.

It has been suggested that Vancouver is asking for a young center, a high quality prospect, and a 1st round pick (here we assume a low 1st round). This is a very high price. If Kesler is amenable, as seems to be the case (and this is good news for the team since it is not being rushed into a trade), then the team can wait for the best deal, and draft day may be it.

I dont see the team going for just draft picks. Not at all. But combination of roster player, prospect, and pick is possible and should be explored.

Not that I personally want a trade or think the team needs it. It would be a very good way to restock the system even more, but Kes leaving would create a huge hole in the team. But if the goal was to tank for the McDavid sweepstakes.....

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#61 Guest
April 16 2014, 10:02PM
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Dale Weiss scores in OT and the Habs take the first game.

Great trade Canucks...great trade. An organization with so much class and brains.

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#62 Alexis Jordana
April 16 2014, 11:37PM
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Let's see, AV and his team are going to the playoffs while Mike Gillis and his team led by the Sedins are going nowhere.

Talk about near instant karma. Who could have envisioned this?

Pretty much everyone except Canucks fans. Arrogant whiners who support heartless losers will never prosper.

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#63 Apacolypto
April 17 2014, 01:33AM
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You know... if you ask me, I think the Canucks should blow it up.

Oh, wait, Mike Gillis already blew it up in 2012. Hahaha, sorry my bad.

Rebuild complete Gillis!

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#64 Messier^Keenan
April 17 2014, 02:02AM
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Hey don't worry now, it has all been fixed.

The Canucks have hired Trevor Linden so the club is in good hands. They went from hiring a GM with no experience to a hiring a president with no experience. I don't see how that could that back fire in their faces?

PS- just don't tell Linden that he was just hired as a front man to con the season ticket eaters, otherwise, he might think that he's actually has the ability to help the club.

Oops...too late. Oh dear, what have you done Canucks management? Instead of a few mug shots and feel good slogans with Trevor's face on the posters, you got a guy now who thinks he actually knows how to bring wins to the Canucks.

Trevor, why didn't you bring those wins to the Canucks when you were playing for them? Still convinces it was your "leadership" and not Bures goals that got you to the finals?

Looks like the curse of Bure continues on with this club.

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#65 JFR
April 17 2014, 11:01AM
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I don't know why people are so quick to believe that Trev is a scam for ticket holders. The guy played 20 yrs in the NHL amd was the lead negotiator that helped end a lock out. If he brings in the Boston Asst GM who has a great record of player development and they hire a good coach, the cupboard is hardly bare.

Despite all of Torts stale comments, the fact is that there are young players like Jensen, Kassian, Horvat and Corrado that will play new roles or expanded roles.

Add to that a buy out of the Booths contract and there will be money out there to bring in new FAs... Like a Stasny or Vaneck. I think a goal scorer like Vanek could put the Sedin line back at the top. Just watch what he has done with Montreal. Adding a tough hard nosed forward to play with Kessler could help fire him up.

I agree on the stale part, but changes will be made around the core and having a coach that can get the defense to play as unit might help.

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#66 Ted
April 17 2014, 12:43PM
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andyg wrote:

Iginla was a prospect and had not even played in the NHL yet.

What he is saying is that it is very unlikely someone is going to trade a 23 year center who has already put up say 50 points at the NHL level.

You will either get a young prospect,maybe with 1st line potential or a young D plus...

Yeah, I completely disagree. If a team needs a key piece and is a Cup favorite then they should make that deal. It happens. The goal is to win a championship.

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#67 Ted
April 17 2014, 12:51PM
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JFR wrote:

I don't know why people are so quick to believe that Trev is a scam for ticket holders. The guy played 20 yrs in the NHL amd was the lead negotiator that helped end a lock out. If he brings in the Boston Asst GM who has a great record of player development and they hire a good coach, the cupboard is hardly bare.

Despite all of Torts stale comments, the fact is that there are young players like Jensen, Kassian, Horvat and Corrado that will play new roles or expanded roles.

Add to that a buy out of the Booths contract and there will be money out there to bring in new FAs... Like a Stasny or Vaneck. I think a goal scorer like Vanek could put the Sedin line back at the top. Just watch what he has done with Montreal. Adding a tough hard nosed forward to play with Kessler could help fire him up.

I agree on the stale part, but changes will be made around the core and having a coach that can get the defense to play as unit might help.

Liking a lot of what you're saying. I think we need to dismantle the core...or as much as possible. Deal Kes and Edler if we can. I'd like to see Higgy and Hansen go too. Keep Booth. Maybe try and deal for a young centre or sign Stastny.

I don't want to see Hunter or Bo at this point. Let them develop. Same with Cassels and Subban. Gaunce and Fox can start in Utica.

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#68 aristocritic
April 17 2014, 12:59PM
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JFR wrote:

I don't know why people are so quick to believe that Trev is a scam for ticket holders. The guy played 20 yrs in the NHL amd was the lead negotiator that helped end a lock out. If he brings in the Boston Asst GM who has a great record of player development and they hire a good coach, the cupboard is hardly bare.

Despite all of Torts stale comments, the fact is that there are young players like Jensen, Kassian, Horvat and Corrado that will play new roles or expanded roles.

Add to that a buy out of the Booths contract and there will be money out there to bring in new FAs... Like a Stasny or Vaneck. I think a goal scorer like Vanek could put the Sedin line back at the top. Just watch what he has done with Montreal. Adding a tough hard nosed forward to play with Kessler could help fire him up.

I agree on the stale part, but changes will be made around the core and having a coach that can get the defense to play as unit might help.

Agreed on your assessment. Dont really agree with you on Booth buyout. Hansen (and/or Higgins) should go to make more room though.

Starting to like William Nylander alot after reading HFboards

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1648083&page=25

Seems to make sense to have him in the long run.

Sedins are signed till 2018. Nylander can tag along as RW for his first year (somewhere in 2014 to 2016). Maybe have him at C with Kassian on his wing around 2 to 3 years down the road. Horvat replaces Kesler somewhere down the road.

And if Nylander is as good as advertised, we'll be more than fine. I honestly dont think size is that big a deal if he is indeed that skilled. 5'11 170 lbs isnt bad to start with.

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#69 Jackson
April 17 2014, 02:33PM
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"I don't know why people are so quick to believe that Trev is a scam for ticket holders. The guy played 20 yrs in the NHL amd was the lead negotiator that helped end a lock out

Agreed on your assessment." etc etc

LOL. It's like listening to two guy talking about how lovely the emperor's new clothes are.

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#70 aristocritic
April 17 2014, 03:51PM
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Jackson wrote:

"I don't know why people are so quick to believe that Trev is a scam for ticket holders. The guy played 20 yrs in the NHL amd was the lead negotiator that helped end a lock out

Agreed on your assessment." etc etc

LOL. It's like listening to two guy talking about how lovely the emperor's new clothes are.

LOL. ..."emperor's new clothes" ... yahhh pretty much. But a bit pessimistic dont you think?

I understand Trevor doesn't have that executive experience like other presidents.

But given Trevor's commitment to the Canucks and what he means to the Canucks. There really is no other person that is better suited to be president and ambassador of the Canucks. Pretty sure Trevor cares and knows about the Canucks more than any of us combined.

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#71 Habbers
April 17 2014, 09:51PM
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"But given Trevor's commitment to the Canucks and what he means to the Canucks. There really is no other person that is better suited to be president and ambassador of the Canucks"

Yeah, if you call commitment whining and crying and trying to start a coup against Keenan and Messier because Linden didn't want any real change to their country club locker room than yes, Linden is committed.

If Linden would have it his way, he'd still be playing and the captain of the team until they cart him away. Too bad, think of all the better scenarios that could have resulted from those years had Vancouver grew some nads and traded Linden, Mclean and all star Lumme away for players half decent.

But you reap what you sow, boys.

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#72 Swedish Fancy
April 17 2014, 09:58PM
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Hey guys, I don't know about you guys but I liked the Twins better when they were pop stars.

Man, Daniel and Henrik was the best when they were the Proclaimers!

And that song, it was so catchy and not annoying at all! I can't stop singing it when I think of the twins!

Now I would walk hundred miles and I would walk a hundred more! Dubdubdudbdub dububdubdubdud! Good times!

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#73 Larionov18
April 17 2014, 11:51PM
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Come on Dale Weise was a bad trade. please. Guy was a useless plug 9 out of 10 shifts.

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#74 Larionov18
April 18 2014, 12:02AM
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If the Canucks sign Stasny I will be pissed. A rebuild is needed not a retool.I want zero UFA signings this summer. Higgins and Hansen must go. Wasting a compliance buy out on Booth is a joke. Keep 2 mill and somebody would take him for sure and the canucks may get a pick. Canucks are in rebuild mode. See if they can Convince Garrison, Kesler and Burrows to Waive their NTC's and trade them and keep some salary to get better returns. Get creative. No need to be a cap team for the next 3 years.

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#75 Guest
April 18 2014, 12:05AM
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Well he did his part against Boston in that intense game a year after they were shagged around like rag dolls by Boston, didn't he?

That's alot more than what I saw when Sedin was eating Marchand's glove while the rest of the ladies sat on the bench and watched, right?

The Canucks have no depth. That means they have one dimensional players like the Sedins who can do only one thing. The Sedins can't hit, they don't PK, they can't skate, they don't do shoot outs well, they sure as hell don't stick up for themselves, and this year they haven;t been able to score.

It's hard to ask your team mates for more depth when your supposed two best players don't even have depth of their own. That list of one dimensional players is a dime a dozen on the Canucks team. they were above average thanks to Burke and Gillis turned them into door mats in 3 years.

It's time for the Canucks to come out and say they have no idea what the F%CK they are doing.

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#76 Larionov18
April 18 2014, 12:21AM
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andyg wrote:

There have been people on here who suggested a player like Ryan Johanson. I can't see that happening.( 21 years old with 63 p.)

Don't take me wrong here I thing there would be top value back for Kess.

How about 3 firsts from the Ducks. 2 this and one next.

I would make a deal with Pits if Pouliot is involved.

For me it could be a top D prospect,forwards or many draft picks.It all adds up to depth.

I say they trade Kesler to the Islanders with Higgins for their 5th pick and Strome. Those two additions may keep them out of the McCdavid sweepstakes and end up giving the Sabres a pick in the teens next year.Retain half of Kelser's salary to sweeten the deal or trade Kes to Pitt for Beau and Pouliot and retain half of Kesler's salary. Pitt getting Kes at a 2.5 per cap hit would be real attractive.

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#77 Larionov18
April 18 2014, 12:30AM
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What exact part did Dale do? He was invisible against Boston. I do not see your boy Dershanais dropping the gloves. Sedins are offensive players. Burke drafted them by the way not Gillis. Leaf fans were like oh ya Mason Raymond was a steal as well. He was what he was a soft plug. Dale Weise thinks he is a 3rd line player. He is not. He plays with a resentment factor in his game: not an I will show you factor.

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#78 Lemming
April 18 2014, 01:00AM
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It was Burrows taking a bite out of Marchand's finger, and if he didn't want it getting bitten, he probably shouldn't go around sticking his fingers into people's mouths.

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#79 Guest
April 18 2014, 01:06AM
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What did the Sedins do this year with all their money? In fact what have they done in the post season since being here? That's an awful alot of money to pay for players who can;t cut it.

Offensive players? You mean like when other players do all the hard work for them pre 2011 and make the twins look good? well those players are gone now...what have the twins done? They do alot of talking post game I know that.

Mayson Raymond was always a plug, like most of the team. The point is Gillis let anybody that was anybody go after the finals. enter crap city after that. what's left is Burkes core, also a crap fest. Almost Canuck past or present is worth a damn.

#CanucksdontknowwhatheF&CKtheyaredoing44yrsspeaksforitself

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#80 Guest
April 18 2014, 01:12AM
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Burrows Biting.

Sedins eating gloves

Sedins getting bowled over by a goalie

Luongo opening his mouth at the wrong time

All this extra motivation they gave to the other team and non to themselves.

Textbook example of what NOT to do in the finals.

Most embarrassing team to ever rep Vancouver. Glad they lost the 7th game, would have been hard to go to a parade and cheer for that kind of team.

If the Canucks make the finals ever again, let's see them try that again and see how far they get...seeing as how the team and its fans never learn anything.

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#81 Timmy T.
April 18 2014, 06:06AM
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Two former Canucks Torres and Weiss pot a goal each to help their team win the first game.

Two guys the Canucks let go and their fans would consider no talent plumber bums...meanwhile the superstars of the Canucks team are heading to the golf range.

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#82 Joe Duane
April 18 2014, 09:18AM
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#83 PB
April 18 2014, 09:26AM
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I love that this thread is still going on, albeit populated almost entirely by trolls now. The best part is the last message by Joe Duane, which is somehow more coherent and interesting than all the Bruins, Flames, Oilers, Kings, and whoever else's fans are wasting their time here.

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#84 Guest
April 18 2014, 02:02PM
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Says the Canuck fan who's still waiting for his team to build a winner.

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#85 ShillBusters
April 20 2014, 01:39AM
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Yeah , 44 years and he's still got the nerve to suggest that the Canucks are anything but a club that has no real desire to actually build a winner. He's definitely not a shill.

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#86 Ruprecht
April 20 2014, 10:19AM
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NM00 wrote:

It's adorable how you continually believe you are worthy of my attention Ted...

I think he likes you...although I've been known to fail at reading.

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