The Philadelphia Flyers: Potential Trade Partner?

Dimitri Filipovic
June 11 2013 10:27AM

 

Unless you're a fan of one of the two teams set to compete for the 2013 Stanley Cup, you're probably spending your time these days trying to figure out ways in which your team can improve their chances of competing for the title next season. This is probably most true for fans of the Vancouver Canucks, whose past run-ins with this year's finalists have them hoping that there's some scenario in which both teams lose and the Cup gets rolled over to next season.

At this point, most of the contrived schemes for improving the Canucks are just harmless speculation and banter, since this period serves as the calm before the storm. While there has been the odd noteworthy move here and there - i.e. Sergei Gonchar being traded to the Stars, Roman Josi receiving an extension from the Predators - things will really only begin to heat up once a champion has been crowned.

When that happens, though, expect all hell to break loose. In case you had forgotten, everything about this NHL season was thrown out of whack due to the lockout; a condensed 48-game scheduled, followed by an entry draft on June 30th (with all 7 rounds taking place during one hectic day), and a free agency period which has been pushed back to July 5th. 

Beyond the draft and free-agency, one way to improve a team is on the trade market. It's easy (and quite fun) to sit at home and concoct outlandish trades that would only ever really happen in a fantasy league. But we'll leave that sort of stuff to the message boards. For a deal to actually happen, there usually needs to be at least two willing parties that benefit from said trade (if only in their minds). Sometimes it can be rather difficult to find a natural fit between two teams, but for the Canucks, there might just be a suitable trade partner in the Philadelphia Flyers.

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Philadelphia's Needs

I should preface this all by pointing out that the Flyers, and their GM Paul Holmgren, have shown in recent years that they're sort of a wild card. For NHL franchises, they're as close as it gets to the Tyson Zone. At this point there very few headlines regarding the Flyers that would cause me to double-take. They're capable of pulling anything off, as far as I'm concerned. So trying to predict what they will or will not do is kind of foolish in a sense...

The Flyers are a flawed team, no doubt, with their big holes being on the back-end (stop giggling!), and in net. They finished 23rd in the league in goals against/game (2.90), and things got so bad with Ilya Bryzgalov towards the end of the season that the Flyers legitimately began to talk themselves into the idea that Steve Mason could be the solution.

If you'll recall, they inked the man affectionately referred to as "Breezy" to a $51 million deal in 2011, spanning 9 years. However, his time in Philly could be up, according to Bob McKenzie:

Buying out Bryzgalov would be a tough pill to swallow for the Flyers, given the committment they made to the most interesting man alive just two years ago. But it's also a move that would give them the cap flexibility to do a whole host of other things. According to CapGeek, the buyout would cost them $23 million spread over the next 14 seasons. In case you were wondering, the buying out of one Roberto Luongo's contract comes to just north of $27 million spread over 18 years.

We need to keep in mind that when they went to the Stanley Cup Final in 2010, their goaltending tandem was the deadly duo of Michael Leighton and Brian Boucher. Given that fact, and the unmitigated disaster that was their experience with Bryzgalov, they may be reluctant to dish out the money for another high-priced goaltender. Their hesitance would be understandable, but it's undeniable that Luongo would be able to cover up some of the warts that they have along the blue-line.

Speaking of: if you want to stump people at the bar this weekend with some random hockey trivia, just ask them to name the defensemen that suited up for the Flyers this past season. It's quite a comical list, actually.

In order of games played: Luke Schenn (47), Kimmo Timonen (45), Bruno Gervais (37), Braydon Coburn (33), Nicklas Grossman (30), Erik Gustafsson (27), Kurtis Foster (23), Mike Jones (21), Oliver Lauridsen (15), Andrej Meszaros (11), Kent Huskins (8), Seymour Butts (7), Brandon Manning (6), Andreas Lilja (4), Matthew Konan (2). 

I only made two of those names up, I swear.

But that's not even really the most depressing part. For this coming season, the Flyers are set to dish out $33.1 million (including signing bonuses) to the likes of Schenn, Timonen, Coburn, Meszaros, Grossman, and Pronger (who is on LTIR). 

I'd say they could use some help on that front, wouldn't you?

Vancouver's Needs

The Canucks find themselves in a favourable position as it relates to their defensive corps. Over the next three season, they have their current top-4 locked up at a combined cap hit of $18.7 million. While the money that was thrown at Roman Josi has to have made people in Vancouver uneasy, I'd still like to believe that the team will be able to retain Chris Tanev's services at a reasonable price. Especially since the negiotations will be between Tanev himself, and the wizard known as Laurence Gilman.

Keith Ballard will more than likely be bought out or traded, and Frank(ie) Corrado will surely be given a chance on the team's 3rd pairing given he acquitted himself quite well while being thrust into a less than ideal situation at the end of the season.

Exactly a month ago, Jason Botchford wrote an article in which he suggested that the only way for the team to properly re-tool its roster would be through an Edler trade:

"An Edler deal also leads to more Jason Garrison. This, is a good thing. He was their best player in the first round and criminally under-utilized."
"The L.A. Kings won a Stanley Cup by trading defenceman Jack Johnson for Jeff Carter. The Penguins got James Neal for their puck-mover Alex Goligoski. The Blues reshaped their organization by trading Erik Johnson for Chris Stewart and Kevin Shattenkirk."
"Edler is better than them all. His no-trade clause doesn’t kick in until July, giving the Canucks opportunity to create a market, which should include the desperate Philadelphia Flyers and the Anaheim Ducks. How would a Sean Couturier change the Canucks dynamics? A Wayne Simmonds?" 

I'm personally a big Alex Edler fan. Thanks to the market he plays in, his play is examined under a microscope, which doesn't exactly lend itself ideally to the type of player that he is. When he's "on", he's a fantastic player, and one that really is difficult to replace. Unfortunately, he's also prone to stretches of play where he disappears, and that rubs many fans the wrong way.

Given his age (27), his cap hit ($5 million), and his production in recent years (146 points in 254 games since 2009), I'm well aware of his value to the team. But it's also the reason he would net the biggest return, and by trading him, the Canucks would be dealing from a position of strength in an attempt to shore up a major hole on their team up-front.

Jeff Angus just finished a 3-part series in which he looked at potential returns for Edler, with one of them being Sean Couturier. It has been thought that he was a guy that the Flyers, rightfully, weren't willing to part with, despite their clear needs on defense. However, McKenzie followed up his Bryzgalov tweet (from above) with another:

While I agree with Jeff for the most part, I would say that I'm more bullish on Couturier. In fact, I'd prefer him over him his teammate, given not only what he has done thus far but how his game projects. As crazy as it sounds, the Canucks may still be able to get in on the ground floor with him. He's a 20-year old center - listed at 6'4'', for all of you out there that get off on size - that has already shown the ability to handle the tough minutes at the NHL level.

While his production hasn't been there yet, I feel confident that it'll come as soon as he stops being buried (while being matched up with absolute scrubs on his wings). He had 192 points in 126 games spanning his final two seasons in the Q, and registered 28 points in 31 games in the AHL during the lockout.

Friend of the blog, Corey Pronman, listed him as the 24th best player under 23 years old in the NHL, and put him above Brayden Schenn, noting that he believes Couturier has "a ton of offensive potential". For what it's worth, Couturier has one year left on his ELC at $1.375, while Schenn is slated to make $3.11. That means that both guys will be RFAs next summer. 

Fans of the team have been clamouring for a major shake-up for quite some time now, yet Gillis has held his ground. He stubbornly, if not wisely, refused to trade Roberto Luongo unless his terms were met despite the writing being on the wall for months. But then came the sweep in the first round, and the firing of the most successful coach in the franchise's history. In his press conference to end the season, his tone seemed to suggest that changes (legitimate ones, and not just tinkering) were coming.

If anyone really is capable of getting Mike Gillis and the Canucks involved in a #boldmove, I'd think it would be the Philadelphia Loose Cannons Flyers.

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Dimitri Filipovic writes about hockey on the internet, and is the Managing Editor of Canucks Army. You can follow him on Twitter @DimFilipovic, and email him at dimitri.filipovic@gmail.com.
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#1 BrudnySeaby
June 11 2013, 12:25PM
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I think an Edler trade would not be quite as unequivocally beneficial for the Canucks (even with a return of Couturier, whose play I like a lot and who has a lot of upside for years to come) as everyone makes it seem.

We would be giving up a lot of defensive offence, one of the strong points of the Canucks over the years. With Gillis, seemingly committed to playing an offensive up-tempo style, that would be a limiting factor. So we would replace more stability down the middle up front with less offensive support from the back. Is that a trade-off worth making? Or should we give up something different (or rather someone different with a different skill set)?

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#2 Verv
June 11 2013, 01:08PM
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I wouldn't entertain trading Edler unless the Canucks got a Kings or Blues proportionate return. An 8th overall from a couple years ago that looks pretty good isn't nearly enough.

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#3 NM00
June 11 2013, 01:58PM
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BrudnySeaby wrote:

I think an Edler trade would not be quite as unequivocally beneficial for the Canucks (even with a return of Couturier, whose play I like a lot and who has a lot of upside for years to come) as everyone makes it seem.

We would be giving up a lot of defensive offence, one of the strong points of the Canucks over the years. With Gillis, seemingly committed to playing an offensive up-tempo style, that would be a limiting factor. So we would replace more stability down the middle up front with less offensive support from the back. Is that a trade-off worth making? Or should we give up something different (or rather someone different with a different skill set)?

Well said.

Trading Edler won't necessarily make the Canucks better. Just different. In all likelihood, it would be robbing Peter to pay Paul.

We don't exactly have a long track record of Gillis trades in which he has given up significant assets.

There's CoHo for Kassian and Grabner & a 1st rounder for Ballard.

Doesn't exactly inspire confidence that Gillis will trade Edler for a piece to improve the team. He may very well make it worse.

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#4 Fred65
June 11 2013, 02:19PM
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The Canucks need 4 top end D, we have 5 IMO so we do have the capacity to trade one of those. On the other hand we are badly short of a centre. So if Edler goes we need a centre of equal quality back for him. From what I understand Coutrier is just such a player. I'd do it, but would the Flyers ( remember Edler has back problems )

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#5 Mack
June 11 2013, 03:42PM
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While I would be happy with either of them, I actually prefer Schenn to Couturier. Both of them are players, but Schenn brings more offensive ability and potential and that's something this team clearly needs. He also brings physical play, is a practitioner of jerkpuck, draws penalties at a decent rate, and shown he's willing to stand up for his teammates on a regular basis(not something you guys value, but something that can be very important).

I think the Flyers would be more likely to deal him due to his caphit, and because he's not as cap-friendly it might be possible to get further assets in a deal. The 11th overall would be nice.

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#6 Jamie E
June 11 2013, 04:33PM
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I've been on the record here over the last month calling for a Edler/Luongo trade to Philly for Couturier/Simmonds.

Bundling Lu with Edler is - in my opinion - the only way to trade him without being forced to eat some of his cap. This trade gives us an immediate, big, tough, shut down third line with Higgins.

I'm OK with a Booth/Kesler/Kassian second line for next year.

May not happen. Probably won't happen but we'd be a better, cap compliant team if it did.

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#7 Mantastic
June 11 2013, 05:10PM
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@Jamie E

that's just wishful thinking. Philly has cap issues too so they won't be taking 2 large contracts for 2 relatively smaller ones.

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#8 Mack
June 11 2013, 05:26PM
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@Mantastic

Buying out Bryzgalov and Briere (like they're heavily rumoured to be planning) frees up $12.1M in cap space, and if you combined that with Simmonds and Couturier's cap hits that would bring the total to $17.45. More than enough to absorb Edler and Lui. Not saying it's likely, but not as impossible as you make it out to be. They have relatively few players they need to re-sign this year as well.

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#9 UkeeRob
June 11 2013, 05:58PM
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@Mack

I think it's possible, although not probable, that a deal with Philly for Simmonds and Couturier could be had. What I like about a deal like this is what it would do for our first round pick. As it stands, we almost have to draft a forward. With a deal like this we could potentially draft a defenceman. Now that wouldn't replace Edler immediately, but would add another young future blue line piece to go along with Tanev and Corrado to help in the transition when Bieksa, Hamhuis etc are on their way out.

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#10 Coots
June 11 2013, 07:33PM
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Trading Edler is a great way to peeve off 2 red-headed swedish twins. And the rest og the guys who've taken discounts. The problem is, Canucks need help up front and have no "nhl ready forwards" in their system. The UFA market is barren.

I still think their best, and only option, is to use compliance buyouts to buy assets. They can buy a Brock Nelson from NYI for 3C or Goc from Fla.

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#11 Mantastic
June 11 2013, 08:07PM
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@Mack

just saying it's wishful thinking, not impossible.

philly would probably target Bogosian over Edler, i know i would.

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#12 Hansel
June 11 2013, 08:45PM
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A mega blockbuster:

To Canucks: Couturier, B. Schenn, L. Schenn, B. Coburn

To Flyers: Kesler, Edler, Luongo

I've been drinking.

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#13 Collin
June 12 2013, 08:46AM
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Since we're posting our wet dream block busters, here's mine:

To Canucks: Couturier, Simmonds

To Flyers: Burrows, Edler, 1st

Still probably isn't enough to get the Flyers to bit, but if they're high on Lu, we could include him. Otherwise, that's the max we can give. Everyone else has a NTC.

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#14 NM00
June 12 2013, 12:07PM
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If the Flyers sign Streit, they likely won't bother swapping a young forward or forwards for Edler.

Ignoring Pronger, the Flyers have already committed quite a bit to Timonen, Coburn, Meszaros, Schenn & Grossman.

Holmgren strikes again!

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#15 Rusty
June 12 2013, 09:53PM
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You called it! Streit to Philly today. Expect them to throw stupid $ and signed.

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