THE PLAN IS ON FIRE

Lowetide
November 03 2013 12:32PM

The Edmonton Oilers (MacT as GM edition) are 3-10-2 fifteen games in, and OilersNation has gone from anger to real disillusionment. Up next for the fanbase is indifference, but before they get there is there anything the GM can do?

 

  • Darcy Regier: "These GM jobs, they're good jobs. But waiting for a GM opportunity that's structured for success? I'm not sure it exists. When I was assessing the problems in Buffalo before I joined, Al Arbour said to me "Darcy, do you think there would be an opportunity there if there weren't problems? Go in there and do something about it.'" (from the book Behind the Moves).

I'm sure Craig MacTavish knew there were problems (he was part of the organization before agreeing to the job in spring) but there are elements out of the control of the GM that have (at least to this point) conspired against him. His new coach has gone from being seen as confident, fresh and relentless to another in a ever lengthening line of failed coaching hires in Edmonton.

His club has been rocked by injuries (two more last night, and as Robin Brownlee tweeted that Belov injury looked bad) goaltending maladies and confidence issues. I haven't seen locusts, but haven't been looking either.

It's a team in a bad way.

WHAT CAN THEY DO?

As the playoff hopes unhook and release (November 3rd!!!!) there's a sense that the club should do something--anything--to improve things. There are options:

  1. FIRE SOMEONE! Age old solution, find some poor schmuck who was in the room at the time. Candidates often include assistant coaches, pro scouts, the guy who brings the towels and people with one eyebrow. It usually doesn't help.
  2. HIRE SOMEONE! Oilers have already hired Messier, we just don't know what he's going to be doing.
  3. TRADE SOMEONE! Good idea, but you can go from 'we can't trade that guy' to 'no one wants our crap' in a heartbeat and the reality is that it's really early for a significant deal. Besides, the Oilers have traded Mike Brown which means they've used their "Steve Tambellini trade chips mid-season" allotment.
  4. CALL SOMEONE UP! They could call Omark, but I suspect he's broken his phone.

THIS IS GOING TO END BADLY

Probably. However, there's very little that can be done about things as they stand today. Firing the coach would be crazy, trading players when you haven't actually seen your entire team healthy is equally addled and despite being 3-10-2 after fifteen games you could make a case that with goaltending and better luck they could be 6-7-2.

That may sound like sunshine, and hell maybe it is, but from here there's not a lot going on here that some timely goaltending, a better penalty kill and better health can't fix.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The plan is on fire, the season is gone, but there's still a chance to get something out of it. Fix the PK, find useful 6's and 7's and 9's for the 3line with Gordon and the 4line overall. Get Yakupov scoring, get everyone else healthy, find a way to finish above Calgary and then work like buggers next summer to make certain that 2014-15 is the year we see a second season.

Sound horrible? It is. It's also the truth.

Or the owner can fire everyone again.

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#52 DSF
November 03 2013, 01:41PM
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Timely goaltending, a better PK and better health would certainly help some but those hardly fix what ails the team.

Even if LT's presumption that the Oilers could be 6-7-2 if those 3 things existed, the Oilers would still be 11th in the WC, barely ahead of Calgary who have 2 games in hand.

And that is with an early schedule against weaker EC teams.

The Oilers record against teams that made the playoffs last season is 2-9-1.

The Oilers record against the WC is 0-3-1.

The issue is, and has been for years, that the Oilers need a big, skilled 2nd line centre, TWO top pairing defensemen and above average goaltending.

MacT addressed NONE of those issues in the offseason just like his predecessor did for half a decade.

If the Vice President in Charge of Remembering the '80's and his hand picked henchman can't see that, nothing much else will matter.

It's pretty easy to say "it's too hard to acquire these players" but take another look at what Burke was able to do in Toronto.

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#53 Ryan2
November 03 2013, 01:43PM
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I Remember the Orange Jerseys wrote:

Hi. First time poster here at ON. I’ve been coming here regularly for a couple years to read insightful thoughts about my favorite team. So far, you good people have never let me down!

What I took away from Andrew Ference’s interview last night on Hot Stove was that DE has lost a significant part of the locker room, and that it’s largely the “young guns” that he’s lost. I think Ference was also suggesting he believes Eakins’ system would work if the team would actually buy in.

There’s little doubt in my mind that MacT needs to trade one of the so-called untouchables, and he needs to do it now. Given the potential return, and (in my opinion) his complete lack of commitment to the game when the puck isn’t on his stick, Eberle would be my first choice.

This team has become too much of a sh** show to fix with one trade, but trading one of the young guns at this point would bring back something else in return that the team does need, and it would send a message to the locker room that the coach, not the players, run the team.

I’m definitely not sold on Eakins myself, but it does appear to me that a large segment of this team will not commit to defense, and this hasn’t been a problem just since Eakins came along.

The problem with the Eakins'"system" was on display last night - how many point blank shots from the high slot did the Wings have by just moving the puck quickly? That is the difference between the NHL vs. Juniors/AHL - at this level good teams will exploit the high slot that is always open with the Eakins' SWARM "system". Someone should have asked Ference if the Bruins would have ever implemented that system.

A good coach will adapt and implement a system that plays to the strength of the roster, not try to implement something that has no chance of working. The players can smell BS and we are seeing the result. Eakins needs to go or things will continue to slide.

My guess is that the kids are getting fed up with the losing, just like any sane player would. If MacT were smart he would look at changing things up with the entire coaching staff (how much worse are the special teams this season?) before the young talent starts to ask for a trade and the rebuild drags on for "5 more years"........

Like I have said before, bringing in Ference on that contract is a boat anchor going forward. He is not a top pairing d-man and is on the downside of his career. Mind you, the team likely had to overpay to lure him here, but bringing in a depth d-man at the end of his career is not what the team needed. Most of the fans drank the kool-aid with this signing, but the only way it could have worked is if the team had a solid blue line to start with and this signing was a depth move. As we can see now, plugging in one depth d-man (bottom pairing on the Bruins likely this year) does not do anything. Hopefully MacT realizes this by now as well, but I am not certain. Remember, the only season he did anything as a coach was due to a hot goalie - before the Roloson trade the Oilers were out of a playoff spot even with Pronger in the fold.

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#54 Spydyr
November 03 2013, 01:43PM
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This team has no heart, grit, passion, will to win. A bunch of soft, small, skill boys in a mans(NHL)game.

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#55 kale
November 03 2013, 01:44PM
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I wonder if anyone asked Dallas what his definition of "compete" was when he was hired.

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#56 Post on FN. Too true.
November 03 2013, 01:44PM
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Reply Dear Current Calgary Flames,

THANK YOU FOR NOT BEING THE OILERS.

Sincerely,

My Sanity

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#57 RC
November 03 2013, 01:44PM
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This is by far the most disappointing, embarrassing start to a season ever. Everyone, wear your paper bags next home game!

Someone needs to ask the players: Why aren't they hitting or shooting? Why do they always pass when they've got the slot open to shoot? Why is no one paying a price in front of the net? Where's the passion?! Where's the effort?!

If you're scared to lose, don't play the game...

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#58 Post on FN. Too true.
November 03 2013, 01:44PM
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Reply Dear Current Calgary Flames,

THANK YOU FOR NOT BEING THE OILERS.

Sincerely,

My Sanity

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#59 Wow, oh, wow!!
November 03 2013, 01:45PM
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It is scary to think that Hockey Canada still trust Lowe to be a part the Olympic process, although with Canada's talent, it is not like it is a difficult job!! The Oilers dilemma starts and ends with Lowe, Mac T, Bucky, and Smith. The bus is broken down and all the boys have grown up.

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#60 Dan 1919
November 03 2013, 01:48PM
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@nuge2nail

I would trade Yak and 2014 1st for Weber, or Eberle and pick. With Nashville’s two elite D-men and snake bitten offence they seem like an ideal trade partner...

I can never get this verified but I thought Weber said he wouldn’t play in Edm, mind you with his contract he would play, he’d get over it if they started winning.

The Oil would need to dump salary to get him though, it’ll never happen anyway.

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#61 Rinkrat Brownn
November 03 2013, 01:52PM
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Hmm.. No power on a power play that was dangerous last season, no defensive system to speak of, no ability to clear the puck under pressure, no O-zone penetration. I'm afraid all these add up to... COACHING. Oh, yes, and we have to add... no motivation. What worked in the A doesn't necessarily translate. Bite the bullet NOW and fire D.E.

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#62 Jackson
November 03 2013, 01:54PM
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Jeffff wrote:

Every year young fast talented team. New coach every couple years. Rinse wash and repeat.

“Sometimes the first duty of intelligent men is the restatement of the obvious.”

FIRE KEVIN LOWE

FIRE KEVIN LOWE

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#63 The Real Gongshow
November 03 2013, 01:55PM
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Brian Burke was right all along. K Lowe and his cronies have destroyed this once storied organization.

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#64 15w40
November 03 2013, 01:56PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

I haven't missed an oilers game since the invention of the PVR, and this is the worst Oilers Team I have ever seen..

Worst Goaltending. Worst Defence. Absolutely the Worst Forward Group.

No grit, no forecheck, no passion, no desire.

Team seems confused out there, with no idea how to score and how to keep the puck out of the net.

It's so sad.

Trade Weber for Yakupov, Smid + parts. Trade Gagner for Bogosian.

Trade N Shultz for a second rounder.

None of those proposed trades will ever happen.

If they were - MacT would be getting those trade papers to the NHL offices on the back of a mule if need be.

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#65 exsanguinator
November 03 2013, 01:56PM
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It's a sad day when I have to recommend for the Oil to pull a Darryl Sutter and have MacT come back as coach while still continuing his less than average performance as GM.

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#66 DSF
November 03 2013, 01:58PM
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The Real Gongshow wrote:

Brian Burke was right all along. K Lowe and his cronies have destroyed this once storied organization.

Yes he was.

And I bet he has a little smirk every time he looks at the game scores.

Had Katz had the cajones to fire Lowe and hire Burke, I'd wager things would look pretty different in Oilerland right now.

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#67 Oiler Al
November 03 2013, 01:58PM
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master of my domain wrote:

I wish my girlfriend sucked as much as the Oilers do

You got to find it first.

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#68 ubermiguel
November 03 2013, 02:00PM
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Ference didn't name names but he talked about guys that weren't "self-motivated" to do the little things necessary to improve and win. Names! We want names! Trade them, waive them, or just leave them on the side of the road.

Notice how he had to pause to formulate a lie...errr...response to the question about the Oilers being a losing culture? It's worse than I thought. Cancers in the room need to be cut out. If that means chopping off one of the Fab 5, then so be it.

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#69 vetinari
November 03 2013, 02:02PM
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Philly, Florida, Winnipeg, Dallas and Buffalo are all struggling too... I'd be trying my damnedest to pry a defenceman and/or a quality centre from one of them right now, even if it meant using one of the kids as trade bait.

I'm guessing that if MacT hasn't pulled the trigger on a deal by now, it's probably because either Katz won't let him part with any of the kids or else all the deals are complete larceny.

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#70 I know the feeling.
November 03 2013, 02:04PM
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Out with the trash wrote: I have been trying to figure out how to best convey how I feel about the current Oilers situation. As a second generation ticket holder I have been attending games since the age of 5. In that time I have seen some highs and lows, but last night I witnessed something else. The passion for this team has turned into apathy. I thought it was bad in the mid 90's when I'd be in the stands with 6000 other fans watching abysmal hockey played by a sub par team. Last night almost 17,000 fans showed up to watch the Oil. Except the Oil didn't show up. I have been as loyal a fan as I could possibly be. But now is the time to cut my losses. It has become painfully obvious that the only thing the Oilers want from me is my money. Well, no more money for you. I am cutting you off. No more driving thru blizzards for games, no more jerseys, hats, nothing. I am washing my hands of this team. I have paid over $300,000 in tickets since the Oilers last playoff game. I bought into the rebuild but this is not a rebuild it is a fleecing. My seats will remain vacant for the remainder of the season and the ticket renewal notice and calls will be left unanswered at years end. The Oilers will undoubtedly fill my seats next year but for the first time in almost 36 years. I don't care. I sincerely hope for the best for the Oilers but I am no longer willing waste my time or throw away money on the garbage product that has been on display since 2007. Ah... Now to get rid of this CoolAide taste left in my mouth.

300K!! nicely done!! I feel your pain on the value analytics of said "investment".

In the words of homer Simpson.. they really are the suckiest bunch of sucks that have ever sucked.

I am shocked that Wanye dry cleaning his jersey didn't turn this thing around.... simply shocked.

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#71 Walter Sobchak
November 03 2013, 02:07PM
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LT

I honestly think it’s gone beyond the “rails” It’s bigger than a little luck on the PK, better goaltending and bad luck health wise.

Question for everyone –

Can you be so invested in something that it actually affects your ability to do something correctly??

What I’m trying to get at is, K. Lowe & MacTavish are so invested in the Oilers that they can’t see that there actually the problem or at least contributing to the problem?

Nothing they have done has really worked out now has it?

This is a systemic issue and it has managements finger prints all over the place.

Maybe to a slight degree, but it’s not the talent on the ice, we’ve seen these players play good.

So what’s left?

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#72 Clarko
November 03 2013, 02:09PM
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"Despite being 3-10-2 after fifteen games you could make a case that with goaltending and better luck they could be 6-7-2.

That may sound like sunshine, and hell maybe it is, but from here there's not a lot going on here that some timely goaltending, a better penalty kill and better health can't fix."

What if we flipped that "optimistic" view around and look at the record with some pessimism. They were losing 3-0 to NJ and after playing brutal for over 40 minutes, they had a miraculous comeback. Beat Ottawa 3-1 (with an empty-netter), but was really outplayed and outshot 36-21. And were pummeled for 65 minutes by the Kings and still managed a loser point.

You could make the argument that this team might be 1-13-1 without some good breaks in the games they actually got points in.

Pretty depressing...

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#73 Kr55
November 03 2013, 02:11PM
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NHL.com reporting attendance was 16,389 instead of the max 16,839. Streak since 2005 is over? or typo? I think that streak ending would be a definite sign the fire has started. And also if it's true, congrats to Oiler fans not giving as much money for such an inferior product.

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#74 S cottV
November 03 2013, 02:14PM
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The odds of making the playoffs now are so remote that making some sort of immediate risky trade to look like something is being done - doesn't make sense. The owner really needs to do some soul searching and work toward a new identity and culture for the team. The "sense of entitlement" old guard needs to changed over time, starting with Kevin Lowe. We need someone like a Brian Burke who will hold the entire organization to account from top to bottom - without allegiance to the past. If the rumor is true - Mark Messier in a senior position or any position for that matter - it would be another big mistake. A new VP hockey operations needs to establish the culture and get moving on first stages of implementation this season. We have to accept that the playoffs are out of the question this season - once again. Not so hard - if - there is a sense for a "true" new direction. Short term - MacT probably needs to get on that bench to hopefully stabilize things and perhaps salvage Eakins from having to be outright fired. If the new VP hockey operations believes that MacT and Eakins fit the new culture for next year - then so be it, but - somehow I doubt it would work out that way.

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#75 merlen
November 03 2013, 02:14PM
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I'd like to know why they are so against bringing in, and keeping someone with some experience? We've had plenty of rookie players, rookie coaches, rookie GM's and a rookie presedent of hockey operations. I say fire Kevin Lowe, let this rookie coach try his style on some other NHL team and get a experienced NHL coach, and let our players play the way that got them into the NHL in the first place.

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#76 mlcselli
November 03 2013, 02:17PM
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I still remember the spiel Eakins put forth the day at the presser when he was introduced as the head coach. How motivated he sounded when he gave us all this hope. EVERYONE is going to compete, whether you were 1st line, 23rd man or someone in Oklahoma. We were going to play hard every night….blah blah blah. What a crock. He looks like he has also resigned himself to more losses. Craig MacT is nowhere to be found so he can tell us more about these bold moves we are all waiting for. Klowe is kissing his 6 rings and Katzs' arse. The players are only out for a skate. The Oilers are a pitiful, pathetic group, and we the fans pay a heavy price to support the team. I am so frustrated that nobody is listening to us, and doing something, anything to show there is hope. Change needs to come.

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#77 GS
November 03 2013, 02:20PM
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Spydyr wrote:

This team has no heart, grit, passion, will to win. A bunch of soft, small, skill boys in a mans(NHL)game.

SAD BUT VERY, VERY TRUE!!! The whole league knows it as well!

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#78 pkam
November 03 2013, 02:20PM
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I am sick of hearing the 2-tier fans comment from Lowe.

I am a 2nd tier fan according to Lowe's comment. And in my opinion, Lowe is doing the right thing.

Can you imagine those season ticket holders spending thousands of hard earn money, and in 41 night per year, spend 3 hrs per night sitting in the rink, $10 a beer and $8 a hotdog, plus lining up for 30 minutes to get into the parking and another 30 minutes to get out of the parking, to watch this terrible performance. Don't you think they deserve some special recognition from the management?

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#79 Racki
November 03 2013, 02:21PM
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Hey everybody, I'm headed down to Whyte Ave.. LETS BURN THIS CITY DOWN!!

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#80 DigDeepNBleedBlue
November 03 2013, 02:21PM
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Sunday Rant:

“You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let's face it.” - Terry, ‘On The Waterfront’

Up until last night I would point to injuries, lack of grit and size, the missing of a Neanderthal D-man, system error, and sub-par goaltending as the major cluster pucks. This morning?

Well, I’ve seen a basketball. A tennis ball. Even one of those beach balls. Last night I didn’t see any type of balls. None whatsoever.

“I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom.” - Gen. Patton

The bottom has arrived. Puck the excuses. 60 pucking minutes! Hit. Don’t turn at the last second. That’s weak sh*t. Hit in all three zones. Finish your checks. This team is playing butter soft and all the strategies in the world ain’t gonna change the fate you create for yourself.

Everyone IS accountable.

The players just look lost. Get back to picking up a man when the opp. enters the zone. Apply some pressure. When that rush is thwarted get into zone coverage. The D need to be able to blindly pass to an area when they’re under pressure.

Then fight. Never stop the fight.

“A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week.” - Gen. Patton

I think Coach needs a good, balls out, drunk. Tip the “fire water” back and let it all out. Scream and yell at the Gods! I don’t care. Then get the puck back on the horse. Trudge forward.

This sh*t ain’t over yet.

“It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it.” - Gen. MacArthur

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#81 pkam
November 03 2013, 02:22PM
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Racki wrote:

Hey everybody, I'm headed down to Whyte Ave.. LETS BURN THIS CITY DOWN!!

You speak like a Canuck fan. Sorry, not me.

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#82 Loweblows
November 03 2013, 02:22PM
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Lowetide in his article said option 1is to fire someone. You vaguely rattle off options on who to fire but fail to mention one name. I think I speak for the majority of the posters here who have one name in mind only. For the mismanagement long term he has caused this organization there is only one man we want held accountable. If given 5 options on a non-scientific poll I am sure only one name would recieve the majority of votes and his name is Kevin Lowe.

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#83 JayW
November 03 2013, 02:22PM
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"you could make a case that with goaltending and better luck they could be 6-7-2.

That may sound like sunshine, and hell maybe it is, but from here there's not a lot going on here that some timely goaltending, a better penalty kill and better health can't fix."

You could reasonably make the case that this team could have ZERO wins on the season if you'd like to play that game...remember that New Jersey and Montreal both gassed 3rd period leads against them, and Dubnyk stood on his head to beat Ottawa.

For me, this type of cherry picking results is BS. I am tired of people saying we have "skilled" players. Skill means you're good at something, and as far as I can tell the Oilers are not good at anything except losing. When Ryan Jones is your best player two home games in a row, I think it's prudent to trade anyone on the active roster.

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#84 Make
November 03 2013, 02:23PM
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Yes he was.

And I bet he has a little smirk every time he looks at the game scores.

Had Katz had the cajones to fire Lowe and hire Burke, I'd wager things would look pretty different in Oilerland right now.

Get Mike Keenan/Brent Sutter in here and watch thing improve rapidly!

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#85 K_Mart
November 03 2013, 02:24PM
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Making a trade this early is rarely a good idea unless you are 100% sure you are winning the deal.

MacT will make a huge move at the deadline. Sadly, we appear to be sellers not buyers, so maybe he's going to be getting picks in exchange for guys like Gagner, Hemsky, and one of Yak or Eberle.

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#86 oilabroad
November 03 2013, 02:26PM
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I am not sure why Eakins is getting a pass here.

He has force fed this swarm system down everyones throat when maybe he never had the right horses to do it. I have been hearing about this system since the season started, but did he actually know his players well enough to know if they were the right players to pull this off. Here is a thought, why not look at the core of the team and try to build a system around them. Right now it looks like he is getting no buy in, and like they say, you cant fire all the players.

Even if you could swap out a couple of kids to balance the line up, who would want them, they look clueless out there.

At the very least, throw us a frickin bone and fire bucky and smith... wont fix anything but at least we will know there is a pulse

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#87 rob
November 03 2013, 02:28PM
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Hall,hopkins,perron and gordon stay,everyone else is trade bait!fire lowe asap and get someone with a brain in there,start building for next year,I am sick of waiting but would give one more year if Lowe was GONE!!!!!!!!

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#88 Smokey
November 03 2013, 02:29PM
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I believe Barman will come outta his Batcave in downtown Vancouver sometime to address the second tier fans in his once every four year online address donning his leisure suit. I'm picking sometime in the first two weeks in December. He will continue to defend the incompetence of Mr. 6Rings and the direction of the organization. I think he would be better to promote the backup goalie to GM.

The koolaid is worn off and people are becoming indifferent. Mad or happy is better then "I don't give a Shiznit," because at least people care enough to tune in. Indifferent is new territory. The only way to fix indifferent is cut the head off the snake. KLose was a great player, crappy GM, and terrible president, who's ego and lack of confidance to go and get a real job is what keeps him in a position where track record doesn't lie. His heads been in the clouds so long he lost touch with reality, and he doesn't relate to the regular Joe as we learned this spring.

MacT and Eakins are rookies, and this team is paying for their lack of experience. But ultimately it falls on Kevin. People are indifferent.

Are they still airing Oil Change. I'm scared it will become the longest serving TV show eventually passing Law and Order, The Simpson's, and Married With Children.

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#89 rob
November 03 2013, 02:29PM
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If Klowe had a set of balls he would quit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#90 John Kirsch
November 03 2013, 02:31PM
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Spydyr wrote:

This team has no heart, grit, passion, will to win. A bunch of soft, small, skill boys in a mans(NHL)game.

Agreed.

The Oilers have too many of the same type of forwards (see above) and have no real 1-2-3 D-men. This is what happens when you use too many of your high draft picks on pure offensive players and are unable to develop/recruit top end 3-4th liners. I am not ready to fire Mac or Dallas but for Lowe it is time to go.

In my opinion the Oil need to unload (any or all) Gagne, Hems, and or Hopkins at some point- none of these players impress me.

In terms of injuries every good team has them and finds a way to win without key players.

Bill Parcells famously said "you are what your record says you are...".

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#91 Neal
November 03 2013, 02:31PM
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The worst part is that if 6 Rings actually did get fired, nothing would change any quicker that it would change anyway. The damage he did was assembling the wrong parts together over several years to create the sh*tshow we have now. If Mac is a magician, we trade 3 of the smaller soft danglers, but by the time you do this and get a halfway decent return, this year is gone. Lowe's public hanging would really only provide satisfaction...

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#92 Hammer
November 03 2013, 02:33PM
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L W T 3 10 2 This must be how the Oilers management is thinking.

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#93 Dangilitis
November 03 2013, 02:34PM
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Lowetide wrote:

GREAT post. Excellent points all.

Your first point is correct and I've wondered it too, the second one (imo) speaks to some PR damage that remains (and will remain until something is done) by the arena negotiation.

The Katz Group will need to repair it.

prudham,

The EIG admitted that things were looking up for the ownership group at the time of the sale, but still were unstable and likely unsustainable.

Katz doesn't deserve the credit for saving the team like EIG, but he has been an important reason why the Oilers have, in principle, an agreement to stay in Edmonton for decades.

You can bitch and moan about how he did it (and yes, the PR was a mess), but he accomplished what he wanted, and that was stability for the franchise and a sustainable arena concurrent with the promotion of downtown development. I don't believe the taxpayer costs are justified, but Edmontonians deserve nice things (despite what some self-loathing fans think).

"The problem is that the Oilers really are a beloved institution, and the city deserves someone who actually thinks this too, and is not more motivated by greed than the good of the team/community."

I had to laugh when I saw this, seriously? He is a great philanthropist and had made great contributions to the city. If you donated 7 million dollars to the U of A recently, I will feel foolish, but I'll take my chances are you have not.

I am not on here to defend him as an owner, because the owner's most important role is to ensure accountable, competent team management with all the tools it needs to succeed. He has failed miserably here.

But to suggest it is his greed that is clouding his judgement is one of the most foolish things I have read. What has clouded his judgment is childhood idols from a dynasty franchise that we would all like to return to, himself included. If he was greedy, he never would have bought the damn franchise he would have plugged that money into another few Rexall pharmacies, and I can bet he would have made a lot more money this way and with a lot less grief from the citizens of a city that gave him his upbringing, education, and career, and who, for some reason, whom he feels indebted to. At this point, frankly, if Seattle wants this team, be my guest.

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#94 GK1980
November 03 2013, 02:36PM
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Please everyone be patient

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#95 VK63
November 03 2013, 02:37PM
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Completely OT but yet related. Kimberley Amirault.. motivational speaker and shrink has been WORKING with these as*hats for a few years now.

Not exactly a gold star on the old resume for the poor lass.

She is REALLY attractive though (IMO) ..... so perhaps... thats enough.

On further review.... look at this train wreck... attractive is a complete lock to stay employed by the Edmonton Oilers organization.

In fact..... give the girl a raise!!! She hasn't earned it but theres a bit of evidence that she might earn it in the future.

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#96 rob
November 03 2013, 02:38PM
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Please everyone be patient

Only if Lowe is gone

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#97 Chris.
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In 2010 I was extremely disappointed that Katz charged the same group who crashed my beloved Oiler Franchise with the task of rebuilding things.

This is why.

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#98 D
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Randaman wrote:

So what you are saying is we are where we were 4 years ago and we should relax and start over. No thanks. Lowe, buchberger & Smith have to go. This circus is a complete and utter failure.

Yes we are where we were 4 years ago, but with additional high end talent in the way of Hall, RNH, Yak, and Eberle. Most of this talent would not have been available to the Oilers without major suckitude over the last several years.

What I am saying is that rather than blowing up the core as some posters here would suggest, recognize instead that this organization has been rotting for two decades and that a blow-up now will yield another generation of bottom dwelling.

If as DSF pointed out, this team needs a big #2 center, two top pairing defenders, and above average goaltending, try to address those issues and get this team into Nashville territory before aiming for Chicago territory.

That to me is how you reverse 20 years of ineptitude.

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#99 Jordan
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https://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/edmonton-oilers-managment-group-darryl-katz-enforce-their-message-of-accountability-and-hold-kevin-lowe-responsible-for-this-debacle-of-a-season-either-resigning-or-fired#share sign the petition for Lowe to be held accountable. share with your friends! Sign the petition!

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#100 andrewmk20
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I heard on the 630 ched after show about sacrificing Kevin Lowe to appease the hockey gods and I think it's a great idea because this team seems cursed. In the first two weeks the team played fairly well and got abysmal goaltending. Then Dubnyk started to come out of his bad stretch and injuries started to pile up so the forward depth very weak. The man games lost are about three times the amount of Calgary's and they have some key injuries as well. I mean the entire LW depth is injured from 1 to 4. Hall, Perron, Joensuu, and Smyth. I don't think I've ever seen that happen. This is much like the 06-07 Flyers season in that everything is going wrong for this club. Unfortunately it's happening after about 7 miserable years of losing and being fairly pathetic from a competitive standpoint. But the fans can either suck it up or walk away. I'm not going to watch every game like I have the last 7 years because it's getting way too painful but I'm not going to lie and say that I won't follow this team anymore or cheer for it.

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