NHL 2013 Canucks Ratings: What's Tanev Rated?!

Thomas Drance
August 17 2012 11:53AM

 

EA Sports Canada is based in Burnaby, and is responsible for the development of the company's popular "NHL series" of sports video games. For the newest, lockout edition of the game, they've thoroughly overhauled the player rating system, though I'm sure it still needlessly includes ratings for "poise" to my perpetual chagrin.

Thanks to Puck Daddy's Sean Leahy, over the past couple of days we've received our first look at the way the new "player rating system" evaluates players in the game. In the image above you can see how Canucks skaters fare by the new rating system. 73 for Chris Tanev!!? Outrageous.

Read past the jump.

Over the past two seasons (NHL 11, and NHL 12) the Canucks have objectively been "unfair" or "cheap" to play with on-line. EA is based in the lower mainland and every year we hear about how this Canucks skater, or that Canucks skater is over-rated in the game. There are a few exceptions to that rule, notably Dan Hamhuis and Kevin Bieksa, both of whom have struggled to be rated above an 82 despite being among the best two-way defenseman in the NHL. Well apparently Dan Hamhuis has finally received his due in the most recent iteration of the game, and is ranked as an 88 (the same as 50 point defenseman Alex Edler).

Bieksa has finally cracked through the glass ceiling and into "star defenseman" territory as well with an 84 ranking. That's the highest he's ever been "rated" by an EA NHL game, but I don't get the logic behind rating him so far below Hamhuis and Edler. By the possession metrics, Bieksa is better and more consistent defensively than Alex Edler, meanwhile he's a more productive offensive player than Dan Hamhuis. What gives?

I'll save my outrage, however, for the Chris Tanev rating. 73! EA Sports, I beseech you, get yourself to behindthenet.ca and fix this gross injustice!

Finishing up our look at the ratings along the blue-line, Keith Ballard somehow holds steady at 81 despite struggling through two straight seasons in Vancouver. Meanwhile Jason Garrison actually drops a point from NHL2012 (where he was rated as an 82) despite scoring 16 goals last season...

Among Canucks forwards, the Sedin twins' ratings rightfully remain in the 90s, while Kesler loses a point from NHL2012 and drops to 88. Alex Burrows holds steady as an 83, which, is a little low but I can live with it so long as his "hand-eye" rating (which governs a players ability to tip the puck) is in the 90s. I'm not sure I'd rate Mason Raymond equally with Jannik Hansen at this point, though I'm glad to see Chris Higgins come in with an 82 rating. I hope he's impossible to beat in puck battles.

Manny Malhotra and Maxim Lapierre get twin 78 ratings, which seems sensible until you realize that it hilariously puts them four ratings points back of Toronto's Matt Lombardi. Weise comes in as a 73 (yawn), and Kassian is a 76 though hopefully he's got better "potential" ratings than he had in 2012 (he had B- potential across the board in the 2012 version of the game). 

Finally, in net, Roberto Luongo remains one of the games top goalies with a well deserved 89 rating. I'll bet you'd have no issues trading him for Nick Bjugstad in GM Mode (that is if NCAA prospects featured in the EA NHL series)... Meanwhile Cory Schneider loses a couple points from last years game and comes in at an 83. 

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Thomas Drance lives in Toronto, eats spicy food and writes about hockey. He is an NHL News Editor at theScore, the ex-managing editor of CanucksArmy.com and an opinionated blowhard to boot. You can follow him on twitter @thomasdrance.
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#1 Chris Edwards
August 17 2012, 12:10PM
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I always find EA's ratings interesting. Especially when they start to simulate certain things (e.g. playoffs) with better than chance accuracy. However, they always seem to be way off the mark with a few players on each team. I believe a few years ago they started hiring scouts to assist with the ratings, so I suppose that helps with accuracy somewhat.

They do always provide downloadable updates to player ratings throughout the season, so there is a chance for the most outrageous ratings to be corrected: e.g. Tanev (73), Schneider (dropping from last season, he is now rated as a below average backup), and I'm hoping (and evidence would suggest) Garrison will be better than Ballard. That said, 88 is probably too high for Edler and Hamhuis (by a point or two).

I digress, now that I've gone off a little bit, I think it is fair to say that the overall rating doesn't always indicate the usefulness of a player. For example, Lombardi is an excellent skater, which probably gets him a high overall rating -- but that doesn't make him an overall good player.

Sometimes I need to remind myself it is only a videogame...

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#3 Mantastic
August 17 2012, 12:43PM
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why are you comparing/complaining previous ratings to the new ratings when you clearly stated that this year they have a NEW RATINGS SYSTEM?

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#5 Jesse
August 17 2012, 01:05PM
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Apparently according to EA, Chris Mason is just one point worse than Martin Brodeur.

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#6 Chris Edwards
August 17 2012, 02:22PM
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Thomas Drance wrote:

@Chris I think 88 is too high from Edler, but not for Hamhuis. The list of "better defenseman than Dan Hamhuis" is not a very long one!

I think I'd go: Hamhuis 88, Bieksa 86, Edler 85.

@Thomas I really would have to see how it breaks down for individual attributes.

I know they changed from the overall being representative of skill for "player type" (e.g. defensive defenseman), to being representive of skill for "position" (e.g. defenseman).

As it is, I would expect Hamhuis to rate higher in the old system then the new. That is, he is a better defensive defenseman than he is an overall defenseman.

Anyway, just seems off a bit based on who is rated the same, non-Canuck dmen 85 and up: Chara (91); 90= Weber, Keith, Letang; 88= Suter, Phaneuf, Kronwall; 87= Myers, Byfuglien, Doughty, Pietrangelo; 86= Z. Michalek, Carle, Karlsson, Markov, Seabrook, McDonaugh, D. Boyle, Burns; 85= R. Whitney, E. Johnson, Subban, Girardi, M.Stall, Pronger, Coburn, P. Martin, M. Green, Hedman

Given that evidence, I could rate the 3 Canuck dmen anywhere from 85 to 88... I guess it is really nit-picking.

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#8 Chris Edwards
August 17 2012, 03:01PM
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Thomas Drance wrote:

@chris Hamhuis is pretty clearly better than Kronwall and Phaneuf (though I'd have put him behind Suter, Doughty and Karlsson who appear way under-rated).

@Thomas In a similar vein, Bieksa would be equal or better than Kronwall and Phaneuf if I were ranking them. While being less highly rated than others (Doughty, Pietrangelo, Karlsson, Seabrook, Boyle)who are lower than Kronwall and Phaneuf.

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#9 Mantastic
August 17 2012, 03:06PM
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Girardi is under-rated if Hamhuis is that high.

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#10 ryan
August 17 2012, 04:20PM
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also note that vancouver is the only team with 3 x 4.5 overall team ratings

canuck supremacy

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#11 Cam Charron
August 17 2012, 04:20PM
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"Meanwhile Cory Schneider loses a couple points from last years game"

For good reason. Schneider was AWFUL.

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#12 Dan
August 17 2012, 05:22PM
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EA is too scared to give players high rankings.

Why not just make Crosby a 99? That way a guy like Kesler can be a 92-94, instead of being only 8 points ahead of a Darcy Hordichuk type player.

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#13 LiamTheShark
August 17 2012, 06:39PM
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Dan wrote:

EA is too scared to give players high rankings.

Why not just make Crosby a 99? That way a guy like Kesler can be a 92-94, instead of being only 8 points ahead of a Darcy Hordichuk type player.

I could see them being worried with Crosby being 99 because of their legends team, so he'd be just as good as the Great One. Honestly though, he's the best player in the game today so I could live with him being up that high.

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#14 How Rude
August 18 2012, 01:44AM
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As Stephanie Tanner once said, "how rude!".

Tanev has better underlying numbers than 3/4 of the d-men in the league. How dare they rate him so low. Maybe that's why their Stanley Cup predictions have been wrong last couple years. They need better researchers.

Tanev is boss.

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#15 NuckfiSh
August 18 2012, 12:52PM
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I like Tanev as much as anybody on this board, but common, he didn't even make the team out of training camp, spent most the year in Chicago and still hasn't scored an NHL goal. What were you expecting? Wait for the update.

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#16 Chris Edwards
August 20 2012, 11:45AM
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Cam Charron wrote:

"Meanwhile Cory Schneider loses a couple points from last years game"

For good reason. Schneider was AWFUL.

In case you are wondering where Luongo (tied 5th) and Schneider (tied 17th) fit into the picture league wide for NHL2013, I decided to take a look for goalies 80 and above.

#1=Miller 92; #2=Lundqvist 91; #3&4=Quick 90, Price 90; #5&6=Rinne 89, Luongo 89; #7=Ward 88; #8-11=Backstrom 87, Kiprusoff 87, Fluery 87, Vokoun 87; #12&13=Lehtonen 86, Bryzgalov 86; #14=Halak 85; #15&16=Howard 84, Smith 84; #17&18=Schneider 83,Rask 83; #19-24=Brodeur 82, Neimi 82, Hiller 82, Crawford 82, Anderson 82, Pavelec 82; #25-29=Nabokov 81, Dipietro 81, Varlamov 81, Mason 81, Neuvirth 81; #30-33=Dubnyk 80, Bernier 80, Harding 80, Elliot 80

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