So that's now 2 draft picks gone for next year in the 2nd that we paid to unload Kotalik and now the 5th to get a guy who probably hardly sees the ice!? I'm far from a Feaster basher. I think he needs time to fix the seemingly unfixable. Has the montra not been that "we need to get younger" and add skill etc....? Just sayin....

BOOOOOOO FEASTER/KING YOU SUCK

We'll just call him P3L. Any chance of making the lineup?

Once again, throw it against the wall and see what sticks.

Clearly, Feaster is making moves for the sake of making moves.

P3L is cool. I was thinking DoubleDash as well.

Guy reminds me of Rocky Thompson. I love hockey fights, so I like it!

Another example of lawyer speak... Listen to what I am saying, Not to what I am doing.

Why in the world does this team need 2 goons?? Now we truly have a Thing 1 and Thing 2.

Lets just max out at 50 contracts before mid july and see what happens.

Not that the previous D-men FA signings were bad on a stand alone basis, but put together it's just mis management of the total contracts available for the team.

Some of Feaster's moves have been different than what we are used to, but I still found them easy to defend. i have to put my thumbs way down on this move. Nothing in me can stay positive about losing a draft pick, adding an NHL contract, and picking up a thug. Sorry, Feaster, I can't put the spin on this one.

I've been TRYING to see the bright side of alleyway weird moves... But this one actually does kinda piss me off. Makes no sense

Didnt Feaster learn his lesson when he tried to trade a pick for Modin? Wth, this guy is NOT the next Tim Jackman. Personally, I don't think the forward group is the problem, except for a couple of former Leafs. You've got pretty good depth in your forward ranks. Adding a thug who plays 3 minutes a night likely is'nt going to push you into the playoffs.

This addition would've been bad if it was a UFA signing. Giving up a 5th rounder for P3L is absolutley absurd.

Clearly Ivanans is done. This strikes me as a counter move to Janssen and Eager moving into the division.

I'm puzzled by all of the 5th rounder melodrama. It isn't exactly difficult to recover a 5th rounder. People are making it sound like the 2012 draft is tomorrow...

Sutter has past experience with him, is comfortable with him, and get Feaster to bring him in.

Move along people... not much to see here.

The only way this move makes any sense is if the Flames need it to make another deal, which... no, doesn't make any sense at all... blah.

Really Feaster, seriously? This guy would have been available for free sometime this offseason... hell there are a ton of Goons available who would have been available for free. Hell just use Ryley Grantham fer cryin' out loud. Awful... was he in the Devils system when Brent was there? This smells like something a Sutter would do.

Two bad trades, Zero NHL level UFA signings, an incomplete grade on the draft... The Feaster Era seems to be picking up right where the Sutter Era left off.

That's it... the next guy to be fired ought to be Ken King.

I love the fisticuffs , and I get tired of watching the players non aggressive play anymore, pretty soon it will be like no touch hockey, bettman you suck , feaster , you should probably trade kipper , iginla, unfortunately. Then trade for some young studs, look what Philly did , trading Carter, get rid of hangman, stajan, and the fights i'n hockey are great, if people don't like it go watch figure skating ,may as well start the rebuild process , maybe give stamkos a offer sheet , or try and get parise , wishful thinking I guess , go flames go

This is an awful move, and I'm very sad because of it.

I find I watch less hockey, or sometimes ignore the games when the "bruisers" or "enforcers" are on the ice. Jackman can fulfill this role, as well as score and create energy. Why bring in some guy who plays 3 minutes a night? I really fail to see the point.

On behalf of Devils nation, we would like to thank you for giving us something for nothing. This knuckle head took a cheap shot at a game where the devils were already barely icing a team due to injuries so we couldn't call up anyone. He will make you punch your own face with his dumb penalties.

Also this guy is LUCKY the league MINIMUM is $525,000. He should be making $25,000.

Desbiens can fight Hordichuk, and between TK and Jackman I don't think we need to worry about Eager...

This is a waste of a draft pick. Plain and simple.

I regularly refer to CapGeek to see the relative positions of the Flames and the rest of the league.

Am confused as to why P3L now appears on the NHL roster and his salary counts towards the Flames cap. Bouma and Nemisz on the Flames roster at the end of the year but their salaries are not on the NHL roster and are not counting toward the cap total. What are the rules on this? How did P3L, who played only a few NHL games, end up on the NHL roster? A one way contract?

Seriously folks, the melodrama around here is just ridiculous. Take a few deep breaths.

5th rounders rarely turn into anything (especially around here) and they are easy to recover in other deals.

If Sutter wants this guy then he must have his reasons.

Desbiens is likely headed for the AHL since he is on a 2 way deal.

P3L is on a one way contract.

I was going to say that Feaster has added another non impact player, but somehow I think P3L's fist have quite the impact...

This is simply another in a string of strange moves by Feaster, his tendacy to add bottom end marginal talent is beyond concerning.

The fact that 5th rounders rarely turn into anything and they are easy to recover in other deals is meaningless.

Feaster traded something that rarely turns into anything good & doesn't eat up a reserve list spot for something that will never turn into anything good, eats up a reserve list slot, is available elsewhere asset free, and is probably available within the organization already.

My tought (hope?) was Desbiens on our fourth line w/Jackman and Kostopoulos. Desbiens plays like Jackman already. He has a potential offencive upside, as well. And he backs down to no one, yet is not really a goon. He plays the way the coaching staff wants and needs him to play, from what I hear. Very coachable, like Jackman.

I've posted about him here before - to me, Desbiens can have a bigger impact than Jackman, potentially...

This move makes no sense. Similar to the signing of Ivanans. No sense.

And I think Desbiens can handle Eager. Honestly. He's actually bigger than Ben.

Feaster must have been sucking on some pasta when Sweet Lou called and said he'd give this guy up for a 5th. Feaster must have thought he meant PMB that and he'll take him to some great restaurants in Jersey next time he's out. He's becoming as big as a joke as Sutter was.

God, what an awful move, it's like paying 5 dollars for a dozen dandelions.

It's hard to get ahead in capped league when you lose every transaction.

#FireKing

So a couple of div rivals add hired goons, so Keaster is compelled to provide them someone to do non-hockey stuff with on the ice. Super. I'd hate to see some other teams hired goon not have anybody to play with.

I hate this move. Not because we lose a very late pick, but because this type of player is totally useless.

FlamesGoon fights OilerGoon to teach OilerNonGoon a lesson he'll never forget about body checking Tanguay/Iginla/OtherFlamesNonGoon. Stupid.

Is Feaster TRYING to get fired? I guess if he was he could retire to some tropical island and still cash the Flames paycheques for a few more years. Seriously? Getting rid of two picks for the draft by the middle of July on a team that has this many holes and with virtually nothing to show for it? Does it still count as injecting youth into the organization if the players are only a year or two younger than you're vets?

What are the chances that KK is fired and Feaster is promoted to his position?

However, now that the Oilers no longer have Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers, you officially win the "longest name-bar in Alberta" contest.

Calm it down there fella. Yes bad signing I think veryone can agree. Don't start the comparison to sutter yet alright? Sutter was a god here when he first came and then strews to make questionable decisions to "win now". Feasters hands were and are very much tied with the situation he was dealt. I disagree with this move. We all do. But leta wait at least till we start playing to pass total judgment.

For crying out loud. Nobody is getting fired for trading a 5th round pick for an enforcer. It is not hard to recover a 5th round draft pick for a draft that is almost a full year away.

Yes we all believed Sutter was a God, but he caught lightning in a bottle. As our good friend Bob Mcown says, "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while." Feasters hands may have been tied but the prudent steps would be to IMPROVE the team. Dont continue to hand out NMC/NTC like candy. Sign players who will help improve the team, not hinder or continue the status quo. Stock up on draft choices, not give them away. This trade makes no sense. Obviously, hopefully the guy wont see a lick in the NHL. I mean the Flames handled themselves fine when the goon Ivanans went down in game one. Maybe theyre hoping in game one this guy will get have a one punch knockout.

This isn't about a 5th round pick, it's about a goon taking a roster spot when there's no need for it. Sounds like this guy really doesn't have a lot of skill and will be taking away from our effective 4th line, while blocking a young guy like Bouma or Nemisz from playing with the big team.

My point: The 5th rounder has very little value and is easily replaced. Clearly Feaster and Brent Sutter determined that they needed more toughness. They went and got it. Sutter has history with him and wanted him.

The Flames don't have anybody in the organization (aside from Ivanans) that can fight like P3L. The dude had 334 PIM last year. Desbiens had 104.

You don't bring in an enforcer because he has "upside" (ie turn into anything good). You bring him in to punch Eager and Janssen in the face.

Jackman can actually play hockey. People that fight get injured. Wouldn't we rather let the players play and the fighters fight?

Go back and read Kents article on the projection of fifth round picks. Not exactly a sure thing. I hate this move to!! But its not like we are trading away our best asset. He might be as good of a player you will get with that pick anyways. Plus sutter wanted him for one reason or another, patience youn grasshopper.

I was responding to the drama queens around here who want to lynch Feaster for daring to trade a *gasp* fifth rounder.

Whether we need to use a roster spot on a goon is an entirely different issue that can be debated at length. But clearly Feaster/Sutter are not going to get fired (as some have suggested) for bringing in a Janssen/Eager deterrent.

I'm not convinced that we need an enforcer, but I would rather let guys like Jackman and not have to risk injury by fighting all the time.

If this was Sutters decision, then i think this is a reason to release him. In today's NHL you dont need a guy who can barely skate but punch guys. The Flames can hold their own. They have guys like Jackman, Kostopolos, Gio, Sarich, etc who can drop the gloves when needed.

Simply put; we don't need an enforcer.

How often do these guys spend on the ice? How often are they out there when the other team's goon is on the bench?

Desbiens... Jackman... Can both play hockey. Both have skill. Can skate. Much more valuable than P3L, Ivanans... Janssens... and so forth. They make for an entertaining sideshow - sometimes... But, for the most part, are a waste of a roster-spot, in my opinion.

(Prust is another perfect example of a guy who can play, has skill, and will drop them, when need be. We need players like him. Not Letourneau-Leblond)

The no trade clause issue again. So you would rather let Tanguay and Glencross walk? Or have to pay them significantly more money?

Those players took those clauses in lieu of money and/or term. Would you prefer that Tanguay made $4.5M per year instead? He would have received that easily (with the same term as the Flames gave him) on the UFA market.

For all we know, the clauses given to Glencross and Tanguay merely state that they can't be sent to the minors and can submit a list of 5 teams that they won't go to.

There is a big difference between a "you can't trade me anywhere" clause and a "you can't trade me to Edmonton" clause.

I get that you don't think the Flames need an enforcer. I'm inclined to agree. But clearly Feaster, Sutter, and the rest of the management team do not agree. If anything has become obvious, it is the fact the Feaster is not a dictator (a la Sutter). Many people would have been involved in the decision to bring in an enforcer.

That 5th rounder has very little value and is easily replaced before the draft.

"Jackman can actually play hockey"

Yes, he can... and odds are that he's going to sit in the press box when Lalond dresses. Or maybe Kostopolis (who also can actually play hockey) sits instead. So we've just traded a marginal asset for an even more marginal asset (that would likely be available for free later, whose "talent" is available for no assets right now) so that a guy who can actually play hockey won't play hockey. Brillent!

"That 5th rounder has very little value and is easily replaced before the draft."

Sure, but anyone we'd be willing to part with for a 5th rounder would be gone anyways and then we'd have an additional one, this is just a wasteful move, even if it wasn't a big waste it's still a waste. I want a GM who makes good moves not one who makes small bad ones.

Did losing Ivanans in game 1 cost the Flames a single point in the remaining 81 games?

Did not having Ivanans in the lineup all year long endanger any Flames player because the opposing teams took liberties?

Did not having Ivanans cost the Flames a single seat sale all year long?

No. Absolutely not. No.

Did having an actual NHL calibre hockey player in the lineup in place of Ivanans all year potentially earn the Flames more points?

Maybe.

Why are the Flames replacing Ivanans with P3L?

If we have learned anything, it is the fact that Feaster does not operate in a vacuum or as a dictator (a la Sutter). If they chose to bring in an enforcer, then I'm pretty sure that Sutter and others in the hockey department had serious input.

The owners are not going to fire Feaster for bringing in a goon that makes the league minimum and whose contract expires this year.

Sutter has experience with him and wanted him. They gave up virtually nothing to get him. He will likely get dressed infrequently. We're talking about him taking ice time from a 4th liner in possibly 20-30 games.

I don't really think that they need a designated goon, but the division seems to be stocking up on them. If somebody is going to have to fight Janssen and Eager then I would prefer it be an expendable goon.

I understand why people are questioning this move, but it isn't like they just traded Iginla for a bag of pucks. This is a really minor move and people around here are trying to form a Feaster lynch mob. Bizarre.

"The owners are not going to fire Feaster for bringing in a goon that makes the league minimum and whose contract expires this year."

You're right, they won't... but this move demonstrates poor judgement. And they may eventually fire him for having poor judgement once he starts using it on bigger deals. I don't object to the deal as much as I object to having someone run the ship who thinks that it was a good one

I think that the point of the comments so far has been:

1) We don't need an enforcer we have enough guys that can fend for themselves (and we already signed Disbens who can do the dancing monkey as well as score a few goals).

2) If we wanted another fighter we could have signed one off the Free Agent market and STILL HAD our 5th round pick.

3)While the 5th round pick is a low pick, you never know what gem can be found or where in any draft. Brodie was a 4th round pick and he's our best defenseman prospect by a long shot, Breen is behind Brodie and I believe Breen wasn't even drafted.

Therefore, I agree that there was really no reason to trade a possible asset for a marginal asset we already had or could have signed in Free Agency.

That's my take and summary. Fire away FN Army.