Making sense of Paul Holmgren's trades
Cam Charron
June 24 2011 02:17PM
From a stand-alone perspective, trading Jeff Carter to Columbus is not a bad trade for the Philadelphia Flyers. Everything that happened afterwards is chaotic, as Flyers General Manager Paul Holmgren laid his team's foundation and future through 2012 on a roulette table.
Where the Jeff Carter trade baffles me is that it meant more than a long contract for salary cap relief, a young roster player (Jakub Voracek) and a couple of picks, one of them #8 in a pretty decent draft. Philadelphia used all the long-term money they save on a piece that they may not have needed. An oft-repeated cliché is that the Flyers were just a goalie away from the Stanley Cup. They haven't won one since Bernie Parent.
(By the way, in the above link, forgive me for typing that the Flyers only moveable contracts do not include Jeff Carter or Mike Richards.)
The Philadelphia Flyers, however, were just as close to a Stanley Cup as they ever were with Pelle Lindbergh or Ron Hextall as they were with Michael Leighton in net. This is a real good Philadelphia team, a good mix of talent at forward. The only truly pressing need the Flyers had was that they had one too many overpaid defensemen, plus a few long contracts that may become an issue in the year 2020. Nothing Paul Holmgren did took away from that. He reshuffled the forward corps and, for my money, potentially made them as deep two or three years down the line as they are today. That is hardly worth the risk.
The Flyers traded away 59 goals from last season in Carter and Mike Richards for 28 in Voracek and Wayne Simmonds (who still need to be re-signed as restricted free agents). They got Brayden Schenn (who scored eight goals in seven games at the World Juniors, but did it shooting 30.8%) I'm not sure where Paul Holmgren made the deduction that, when you're good enough to win now, it's best to re-tool and think about the team's future. The Richards and Carter deals are long and expensive, but, being good enough to win now, you eat the poor value from future contracts and bite the bullet for another shot at the Stanley Cup. This is the point of the front-loaded deal, since it also makes the contract easier to unload to a team with more cap space than available funds.
As bad as the Ilya Bryzgalov contract looks now, at least it wasn't an over-35 deal (hint: Chris Pronger) so if Bryz hangs them up, it doesn't count against the salary cap. At an annual cap hit of $5.7M, Bryzgalov's value (dollars per win) is placed somewhere between Roberto Luongo and Tim Thomas, above Cam Ward and Marc-André Fleury, but far below that of Sergei Bobrovsky or Brian Boucher.
While Philly's defensemen and goaltending is set for the present, while Holmgren tooled his forwards to be more in line with the future. He's taking a big gamble that Claude Giroux, James Van Riemsdyk, Voracek and Schenn to emulate the production that Richards and Carter netted him. Most of all, the gamble came for an unchivalrous reason, which was overreacting to the media-and-fan-generated narrative that the Flyers needed a goaltender. This was a real good hockey team in Philadelphia. It still might be, if they can get all these players signed.
that is terrible for us
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I hereby claim this spot for TEAM FIST
Sure wish we had an owner and General Manager with balls of steel like Ed Snider and Paul Holmgren. Are Tambellini and Lowe even in Minnesota?
Richards is one of those guys that is completely the cream of the crop. He should be untradeable. LA just bought a blue chip. Philly will not find another player like this for a while. This just made the Penguins that much better.
Never, never.
Smitty on the verge of becoming a flamer and you come with this garbage!!! Fuhgetboutit!!
Could there be a deal with Philly for that 8th pick? say maybe Gagner and our 19th?
Liles from avs to Toronto 2nd pick 2012
The Carter deal was about salary dump and getting picks. The Richards deal was about salary to sign Bryzgalov and clearing the way for Chris Pronger to wear the C!
They're clearing the way for Brad Richards. I doubt Homer's done dealing. If only Mr Dithers woke up from his nap to field some calls.....
Even it I wasn't a biased oiler fan, do you really think that's a good deal? Is the 8th worth a #2 C and conservatively speaking a 3/4 liner, 3-4 dman?
I had heard the same grapevine rumours you always hear in these situations. A rift in the room potentially caused by someone being with another player's wife.
ONLY if Couturier was still available at eight. And I don't think he would be.
That's pretty much how I see it:
Columbus deal: Not bad. They clear a lot of cap and get a couple of nice assets. If it was purely a cap clearing move, however, the Flyers liekly had better options to accomplish that.
Richards deal: W...T...F? If all goes well and the stars align, one day Brayden Schenn could become as good a player as Richards. As it stands now, he's not even close (and I like him as a prospect), and Simmonds and a 2nd doesn't bridge the gap. Centers like Mike Richards are rare, and when you have one you'd better sign them long ter...oh wait.
Bryzgalov: This is just the icing on the cake for me. He's probably the best goalie they've had for a decade or more, and the cap hit isn't bad. But signing a goaltender for 9 years is almost always a bad move for everyone but the guy cashing the cheques. Moving two elite young talents for the opportunity to do so makes even less sense.
The Carter trade I thought was a good deal. The Richards deal really caught me by surprise. I think that the East is very winnable now so dealing for futures like this seems like a big risk especially in a market that is starving for a cup win and won't hesitate to boo these young kids if they don't produce right away.
this deal just got better for philly. couturier goes at 8. oilers really missed a great opportunity i believe to solidify the centreice position for years to come.
Adding Schenn and Couturier takes a lot of the sting off of losing Richards and Carter. It'll take a few years for those kids to replace their offensive output though.
The real reason why this happened is simple: they got too big for their britches, plain and simple. Too much too fast and Philly management sent a message about culture.
These were horrible deals. You took your foundation (not 39 Pronger) and sold for a maybe future. Simmons, Voracek are players they already have in Hartnell and Nodl?? And both players had worse stats then previous seasons. This is just a rebuild and it will haunt them like the Brind-a-moor trade did in early 2000. Your don't trade players coming into thier prime with tons of experience in playoffs.