CRIMINAL?? I DON'T THINK SO

Jason Gregor
March 10 2011 11:31AM

The Zdeno Chara hit has sent the country, okay, mainly a few politicians, an airline, an entire province and now the Police, into a frenzy. It was seven years ago this past Tuesday that Todd Bertuzzi jumped Steve Moore and the reaction wasn't close to the emotional outcry that we are witnessing right now.

First it was the politicians trying to gain popularity. via the Toronto Sun:

"I simply don't understand what the NHL is thinking here," Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff told reporters after the NHL made its decision. "It's up to the National Hockey League to protect its players. It's up to the National Hockey League to protect all the young kids playing the game. It's up to the National Hockey League to act and I can tell you, there is strong feeling in the House of Commons that if they don't act, then, you know, we should get involved. No politician wants to get involved in this, it's not our business. But as a citizens, as a fan, I think it's outrageous."

The Chara hit came up during daily Question Period in the House of Commons minutes before the NHL released its decision.

NDP MP Glenn Thibeault, who has been pushing new legislation to reduce concussions and other serious injuries in amateur sports, told the House the Chara hit was more evidence new rules are needed.

Minister of State for Sport Gary Lunn said the government had been consulting with national sporting organizations on the issue.

"It is something that we hope that the NHL also takes very seriously. This type of hitting is unacceptable," Lunn said. "We would do everything to ensure that NHL does not allow this kind of action to continue."

I'm sure all of us are happy that the Liberals, NDP and Conservatives are so concerned about the game. I'm not sure what new rule Thibeault would like put in, but based on their track record I'm sure they will follow up with a comprehensive study and actually try and do something to lessen concussions.

Or they might put as much work into reducing concussions as they have into making our criminal system more fair.

ENTER AIR CANADA

Then Air Canada sent a letter to Gary Bettman. Here is a portion of  it.

"We are contacting you (Wednesday) to voice our concern over (Tuesday night's) incident involving Max Pacioretty and Zdeno Chara at the Bell Centre in Montreal," wrote Vandal. "This is following several other incidents involving career-threatening and life-threatening headshots in the NHL recently."

Vandal noted the controversial issue is becoming bad for Air Canada's brand.

"From a corporate social responsibility standpoint, it is becoming increasingly difficult to associate our brand with sports events which could lead to serious and irresponsible accidents; action must be taken by the NHL before we are encountered with a fatality.

"Unless the NHL takes immediate action with serious suspension to the players in question to curtail these life-threatening injuries, Air Canada will withdraw its sponsorship of hockey."

Not only does Air Canada own the naming rights to Toronto's Air Canada Centre, it's believed they're a major corporate sponsor behind all six Canadian teams. Air Canada's head office is also located in Montreal.

Call me skeptical, but I wonder how much of this letter had to do with their head office being in Montreal, compared to the backlash of fans/flyers who choose West Jet because they aren't a major NHL sponsor? I might be naive in thinking that this is another case of head office pandering to the rationale and bias-free Montrealers.

AND THEN

Finally the Montreal Police got involved (via TSN)

Law enforcement got involved following a request by Quebec's director of criminal and penal prosecutions, Louis Dionne.

A spokeswoman for Dionne said that, after seeing television footage of the incident, he issued a recommendation to the provincial Public Security department that an investigation be opened.

The department then forwarded the file to police.

"The police investigation will be held. Like all police investigations, evidence will be gathered and an investigation report will be submitted (to the DCPP)," said spokeswoman Martine Berube.

"(The DCPP) will then evaluate to see whether there's grounds for prosecution."

Asked what kind of punishment could be assessed in a case like Chara's, she replied: "It's too early to say. That would depend on what charges are laid. That's a little difficult to predict at this point."

The move came amid a burst of outrage after the National Hockey League declined to suspend Chara.

Earlier Wednesday, Dionne's own office downplayed talk of a criminal investigation but hardened its tone hours later when the league announced no sanctions would be taken.  

I wonder if the Police in Montreal would have investigated this hit if it was a Boston Bruin on the receiving end? I'm sure the police would have been inundated with calls from Montreal fans livid that an innocent Bruins player was so maliciously attacked on the ice.

To me this is clearly a case where passion and biased emotion has taken charge. Politicians, Air Canada and the Quebec police are pandering to the highly emotional Canadien fans. I will be very surprised if any of these three factions follow through on their threats. Sure there will be an investigation, but I don't see any charges coming.

Air Canada has made their point with their Montreal flyers and I don't see them pulling their sponsorship, while the politicians will jump on the next hot topic very quickly and we won't hear from them until another borderline hockey hit, where a Canadian-based team has one of their players injured.

PARTING SHOT

Check out this Jack Johnson hit on Ryan Smyth. 

One of the biggest arguments/complaints surrounding the Chara hit is that he knew where the "turnbuckle" was and deliberately drove Max Parioretty's head into it. Did Johnson do the same thing here? Outside of Don Cherry showing it on CBC was it ever talked about as much as the Chara hit?

I know Smyth had the puck, but many of the Chara haters suggested his hit was intentional, so was Johnson who was facing the "turnbuckle" just as guilty?

I love hockey, and I love how passionate Canadians are about the game, but in this case too many people have overreacted and have made it more personal than rationale.

That is disappointing. 

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#101 DC
March 10 2011, 04:18PM
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Derzie wrote:

Gregor, you sir are in a juvenile minority. This ain't MMA son. This isn't just about Chara, it's about Crosby, Richards, Savard, Moore and every other thing that taints hockey for fans. Keep the :being entertained by human suffering" to your MMA where it belongs.

Then I am in that minority too. This is about Chara and Pacioretty. Where was Ignatief when Savard was crunched? Or Richards? or Crosby even? ....Oh that's right, they're not Habs players are they? Did anyone say charge Steckel he hurt Crosby? Nope. (Not that I heard anyway) This is crazy, that was a very violent hit. It was not a dirty play though. It sucks he was hurt bad, but a hit like that is clean. 10 feet further up the ice and everyone is praising Chara for finishing his check so well.

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#102 Hemmertime
March 10 2011, 04:21PM
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@book¡e

99% of the time a push from there ends up with the player hitting the glass or slowing up. It was an away game, Chara surely pays attention to where 30 turnbuckles are and lengths of benches.

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#103 jaicee
March 10 2011, 04:49PM
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jeanshorts wrote:

Just a couple quick points;

I'm with you on the Air Canada thing (well I'm with you on the entire thing). As soon as I saw the guys name was Denis Vandal from Montreal I pretty much discredited the entire letter as nothing more than another riled up Habs fan looking for some kind of retribution.

And I love that whenever a player gets hurt on a freak play/accident, hell, even if it's Matt Cooke throwing another hit from behind, that so many people come out of the woodwork screaming "THE NHL SHOULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS!!!!!" As if Gary Bettman was supposed to jump down from the rafters and throw his body in front of Pacciorety's to absorb the brunt of the impact? Give your head a shake. There's laws that forbid murder, rape, theft, drunk driving, etc, yet these things happen EVERY SINGLE DAY! I don't understand why people think the NHL is any different. Accidents happen and unfortunately there's always going to be people that break the rules. Nothing is 100% preventable.

No one asked Bettman to prevent someone's face being smashed into the boards.

US congress, the Canadian Liberals, millions of fans, the fammily of MP and police are just curious why the NHL simple stated that there was nothing wrong with the hit.

Your last paragraph is interesting but completely off topic.

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#104 Wax Man Riley
March 10 2011, 04:51PM
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GET A GRIP!!!!!!!

It is HOCKEY!!! FAST, HARD, TOUGH.

Go play women's hockey (no offense ladies, I love watching women's hockey) if you don't want contact. Or go play in Europe.

To what extent do we woosify hockey?

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#105 Wax Man Riley
March 10 2011, 04:56PM
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jaicee wrote:

The best part about criminal law is that suggesting that action shouldn't be taken on the grounds that another hit (which didn't almost leave someone dead) didn't have action taken against it will not act as a defense.

Ryan Smyth wasn't almost killed by this hit. Yes he was injured, however, there is a significant diference. Is Smyth still playing?

I am NOT a Chara hater, and I love the NHL. However, the fact that a man was almost killed on the ice from a blatent attempt to hit a man head first into the boards was not even questioned as inapprorpiate by the league. Chara obviously did not mean to break MP's neck, I'm sure he just wanted to throw him into the stention.

Would a reasonable person, whom has played hockey on rinks for the past 15 years, and whom understands that these stentions exists, expect that shoving someone's head into the stention would not cause severe damage to another? Good luck trying to prove that one.

Bettman suggested that anywhere else on the ice it would have been a clean hit. EXACTLY!!! However, the fact that it did happen is why we are having this discussion right now. Bettman is smrt.

Further, he is calling this an accident? Shoving someone's head directly into the glass is an accident? I thought maybe falling awkwardly was an accident. Purposely smashing someone's face into the glass when he had a choice (should i, or shouldn't i under these conditions) is not an accident.

What about pucks being hard (Laperriere, Wisniewski, Sullivan, Cogliano, etc...)?

What about skates being sharp (Zednik, Burish, Gaborik, Gagner, Modano, etc...)?

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#106 Wax Man Riley
March 10 2011, 05:01PM
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jaicee wrote:

To the extent that when the league turns it's back on a near death!

No one wants the game to change. They just want a suspesion and a message handed down when a players purposely smashes someones face into the glass. That is EXACTLY what Chara was trying to do.

Think of the message you are sending when you say things like that? You sould like a primative ape!

I don't think it was on purpose. Steve Moore? On purpose. McSorley? On purpose.

Was Smid's hit the other night on purpose? Suspend him.

I think it is horrible that Pacioretti is in the hospital. I feel very bad for him and especially his family. No one deserves that.

However, it was a hockey play. Should he be suspended? Probably. I would not be complaining if he was. How long though? 2 games? 10 games? The rest of the season? As long as Pacioretti is out?

What I can agree on is that the NHL is inconsistent with their reprimands.

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#107 jaicee
March 10 2011, 05:02PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

What about pucks being hard (Laperriere, Wisniewski, Sullivan, Cogliano, etc...)?

What about skates being sharp (Zednik, Burish, Gaborik, Gagner, Modano, etc...)?

Moot points

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#108 mayorpoop
March 10 2011, 05:02PM
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thank you for that. that may be the funniest chart i have ever seen! brilliant!!!!!

i'd prop the hell out of you but alas dont know the secret code. NHL designed?

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#109 jaicee
March 10 2011, 05:03PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

I don't think it was on purpose. Steve Moore? On purpose. McSorley? On purpose.

Was Smid's hit the other night on purpose? Suspend him.

I think it is horrible that Pacioretti is in the hospital. I feel very bad for him and especially his family. No one deserves that.

However, it was a hockey play. Should he be suspended? Probably. I would not be complaining if he was. How long though? 2 games? 10 games? The rest of the season? As long as Pacioretti is out?

What I can agree on is that the NHL is inconsistent with their reprimands.

That actually brings up another really good question. Bertuzzi attacked Moore because of a questionable (clean in my mind) hit on Naslund.

What's gong to happen when the Bruins play the Canadiens again?

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#110 jaicee
March 10 2011, 05:06PM
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Look I love hitting, especially when it's Peckham crushing someone on the ice.

I am just really concerned about the message the NHL is sending when a serious collision is passed as a good clean hit.

Imagine what young kids think when they see that type of message?

I am still shocked of the lack of call made on Cosby, and he may not suit up for a game the rest of this season.

I just hope MP is alright, and I wish his friends, team mates and family the best.

I am certain that Chara feel absolutely horrible.

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#111 Wax Man Riley
March 10 2011, 05:07PM
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@Ender

So they need to toughen up then? It is so hard in hockey because it moves so fast, and decisions have to be made in a split second. If it is intent to injure, then the NHL HAS to come down HARD.

Does Dorsett need to be suspended because Hall was hurt during a tussle?

What if there is a battle for the puck along the boards, and a player steps on another's stick, falls and breaks his arm. Does the player with the stick get suspended?

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#112 thebiggestmanintheworld
March 10 2011, 05:07PM
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@jaicee

So what's your stance on icing? Foster almost died and the NHL won't even consider no touch icing. Where's the outcry for that change?

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#113 sr cain
March 10 2011, 05:08PM
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That was the first time ive seen the hit on Smyth. It looked very very close to the exact same hit Chara delivered. Did JJ get suspended for it? I dont recall hearing about a suspension but im not sure. If he didnt, then the NHL sent the msg right there to the rest of the players that its ok. Chara and Max, have had run ins with each other before. Why wouldnt Chara do it with intent? Personally, Im (fairly) sure I know I wouldnt have done that to another player, its not my nature, I dont believe Chara meant to hurt the player as serious as he did, but a split second decision was made, which Im sure Chara regrets. History shows he is not a dirty player with no previous suspensions in 13 yrs. I wonder if Chris Pronger had delivered the hit what the opinion of everyone would be?

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#114 Jonathan Willis
March 10 2011, 05:11PM
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I actually interviewed Glenn Thibeault last year when this issue came up then (it was the Cormier hit on Tam that sparked it).

His views are here.

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#115 Wax Man Riley
March 10 2011, 05:12PM
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jaicee wrote:

Moot points

Moot as in debatable, or moot as in they don't matter?

JK.

The comments about sticks and pucks and skates are tongue in cheek and I don't mean them. I just make them to make a point that there are a lot of ways a player can get hurt, and that it is a dangerous game.

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#116 jaicee
March 10 2011, 05:16PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

Moot as in debatable, or moot as in they don't matter?

JK.

The comments about sticks and pucks and skates are tongue in cheek and I don't mean them. I just make them to make a point that there are a lot of ways a player can get hurt, and that it is a dangerous game.

I agree completely.

Violence is inherent in hockey, that'll never change. Getting hit into the boards is fully expected and if you don't want to get hit... don't play.

I guess I'm just along the view that being throw into the stention isn't a normal play that someone makes on another.

There used to be serious injuries from players chasing for icings (significantly more), but since the league introduced the rule of players are not allowed to contact one another while chasing for an icing... it happens significantly less.

As our esteemed bullwinkle pointed out, foster did break his leg... you still see players chasing for pucks on icing calls FAR MORE FREQUENTLY than you see players linig players up into the stentions.

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#117 jaicee
March 10 2011, 05:21PM
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On a completely different note: This website is awesome.

I just hope that Edmonton figures out how to bring in a new arena so that the Oilers stay in the city.

Nothing in the world would be worse than losing the boys after getting our hopes up with a promising future only to lose the team.

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#118 Wax Man Riley
March 10 2011, 05:22PM
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@jaicee

It isn't a normal play ,I agree, but I don't think it was malicious either. I just wonder how to gauge punishments for situations like these. As I replied to Ender, Does Dorsett get suspended because Hall was hurt?

Does there have to be a panel of mediators that need to be involved to dole out punishment if the player or team (victim), approaches the NHL and asks for it? (Actually thats not a bad idea)

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#119 Wax Man Riley
March 10 2011, 05:23PM
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Can Pacioretti or Montreal go to the NHL and ask it to be re-evaluated? Ask for a suspension?

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#120 Wax Man Riley
March 10 2011, 05:25PM
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@jaicee

Yes this site is awesome! Welcome to the Nation: The site that eats up so many hours that could be used doing something productive.....like working ....... as I should be doing now

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#121 OilFan
March 10 2011, 05:39PM
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Gagner done for season grrr...

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#122 Mike
March 10 2011, 05:40PM
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@Slapshotzky

I don't think it his job to listen to callers. It is a privilege to get through, and I don't see why he has to listen.

It sounds like you are bitter with him because he disagreed with you, or maybe chirped you.

I don't see why fans think it it THEIR right to be heard. It isn't. If you want to be heard then get a blog or a show.

I can't speak on his behalf, but part of what makes the Nation so great is that he and Brownlee do interact with posters. I've never thought he was condescending. He just calls it like it is and most of us seem to enjoy it, but I'd sure not everyone likes his style.

I don't know any radio or TV or writer who is liked by everyone. That is what makes is so entertaining to read and listen to so many different opinions. Just my thoughts.

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#123 mayorpoop
March 10 2011, 05:52PM
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Mike wrote:

I don't think it his job to listen to callers. It is a privilege to get through, and I don't see why he has to listen.

It sounds like you are bitter with him because he disagreed with you, or maybe chirped you.

I don't see why fans think it it THEIR right to be heard. It isn't. If you want to be heard then get a blog or a show.

I can't speak on his behalf, but part of what makes the Nation so great is that he and Brownlee do interact with posters. I've never thought he was condescending. He just calls it like it is and most of us seem to enjoy it, but I'd sure not everyone likes his style.

I don't know any radio or TV or writer who is liked by everyone. That is what makes is so entertaining to read and listen to so many different opinions. Just my thoughts.

really? a privlege to get through. really? i don't always agree with gregor or brownlee but it is certainly not a privlege to be able speak and be heard. Without listeners or posters then no nation, no radio shows.

anybody can call it the way they like it and thats what makes for great discussion.

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#124 Oilcruzer
March 10 2011, 05:55PM
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Now Gagner out for season?

Edit... Yep confirmed. Tendon surgery. Good thing we weren't in 8th at the break.

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#125 mayorpoop
March 10 2011, 05:57PM
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@mayorpoop

learn how to spell dummy!

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#126 mayorpoop
March 10 2011, 05:58PM
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so much for a strong finish in OKC!

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#127 gabbana007
March 10 2011, 06:00PM
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@Oilcruzer

I could not agree more. Well said!

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#128 book¡e
March 10 2011, 06:01PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

99% of the time a push from there ends up with the player hitting the glass or slowing up. It was an away game, Chara surely pays attention to where 30 turnbuckles are and lengths of benches.

He was behind the player with the turnbuckle right in front of him. The turnbuckles are exactly where the are in every other rink - at the end of the benches. Your comment might be valid if they were playing blindfolded, but they were not.

Were you joking?

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#129 Dale
March 10 2011, 06:05PM
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@mayorpoop

I'm pretty sure the amount of callers and posters is much smaller than those who listen and read. Less callers more Gregor is way better IMO. On here it is fun sometimes, but half the time the posters don't add much to the article.

I don't think the Nation would die without comments. Just my two cents.

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#130 book¡e
March 10 2011, 06:06PM
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jeanshorts wrote:

Just a couple quick points;

I'm with you on the Air Canada thing (well I'm with you on the entire thing). As soon as I saw the guys name was Denis Vandal from Montreal I pretty much discredited the entire letter as nothing more than another riled up Habs fan looking for some kind of retribution.

And I love that whenever a player gets hurt on a freak play/accident, hell, even if it's Matt Cooke throwing another hit from behind, that so many people come out of the woodwork screaming "THE NHL SHOULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS!!!!!" As if Gary Bettman was supposed to jump down from the rafters and throw his body in front of Pacciorety's to absorb the brunt of the impact? Give your head a shake. There's laws that forbid murder, rape, theft, drunk driving, etc, yet these things happen EVERY SINGLE DAY! I don't understand why people think the NHL is any different. Accidents happen and unfortunately there's always going to be people that break the rules. Nothing is 100% preventable.

I don't think people are complaining that Bettman didn't stop it, but rather that he and his league failed to discipline the player for it. Regarding your rape, murder, drunk driving comment, the equivalent would be catching the murderer and saying "well, doesn't really matter what we do now - the dead guy isn't going to come back to life - let him go"

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#131 OilFan
March 10 2011, 06:08PM
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@Dale

I agree with you regarding Jason's show but no comments

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#132 mayorpoop
March 10 2011, 06:12PM
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@Dale

i see validity to your point on the radio show. fair.

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#133 edmontoncritic - BRoadwAY
March 10 2011, 06:19PM
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jeanshorts wrote:

WHOA now, settle down. Pacioretty didn't "almost die". Yes he fractured a vertebrae and yes he got a concussion but to say he almost died is stretching this nonsense way too far.

He COULD have died, yes. Savard also COULD have died if the brain trauma was the slightest bit more severe. He could have had a brain hemorrhage, or internal bleeding or suffered brain damage. Like DC said, no one jumped up and down and caused a stink that Matt Cooke should be put on death row.

Richard Zednik/Clint Malarchuck COULD have died when a their throats were cut by skates. Again, no one came rushing out of the woodwork to say they need to ban skates. And Clint Malarchuck did almost die, he was literally seconds away from bleeding out. That's the closest anyone has come to dying on the ice since probably Ace Bailey.

Incredibly violent outcome for Pacioretty, but he didn't "almost die".

How about Foster? He almost died. I love the way icing is right now but that's an easy one that makes it safer. Especially with the hybrid rule

In regards to Chara, that is in no way his fault just bad luck for Max. I haven't seen suggestions that make any sense to avoid that. Maybe they could put turnbuckles on those corners and before MacIntyre comes out, Hacksaw Jim Duggan could come out and take the turnbuckles off to the crowds excitement. Then we could have fake fighting in place of real fighting.......celebrities could guest star in fights in the game and say have Justin Beiber take on Boogard. After JB rips the goalie pad off Lunqvist, he belts Boogard with it and then chucks him through the net. Jumps off the scoreboard for a flying elbow and then runs off the ice while chugging beers and throwing them at people ***

***ref: 1990s WWF ...oops WWE

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#134 bam
March 10 2011, 06:26PM
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Good article Jason, people are being ridiculous about this. So many biased people it's just tiring at this point.

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#135 NastyNate
March 10 2011, 06:44PM
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Ganger done for year. Not only are our playoffs hopes long gone, with every injury we are killing the barons chances aswell.

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#136 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
March 10 2011, 06:57PM
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Move Strudwick up to forward and bring Tuebert in for a look.

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#137 Diamond Dave
March 10 2011, 07:08PM
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Apparently it was just exploratory surgery and Gagner is expected to join the team tomorrow.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Edmonton/2011/03/10/17571326.html

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#138 Ken
March 10 2011, 07:12PM
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Those of you who think Chara knew where the corner posts of the bench were have never played hockey or any other fast moving game. He was pinching him out on the boards after the puck was dumped.Happens hundreds times a game

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#139 book¡e
March 10 2011, 08:19PM
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Ken wrote:

Those of you who think Chara knew where the corner posts of the bench were have never played hockey or any other fast moving game. He was pinching him out on the boards after the puck was dumped.Happens hundreds times a game

I have played hockey at pretty competitive speeds. Chara's head is up looking right at the turnbuckle for at least 2 seconds before the hit and he is not going that fast. Maybe you should look at it online - its pretty obvious. Perhaps its not 'without a reasonable doubt', but certainly it would meet the standard of most likely.

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#140 stevezie
March 10 2011, 08:25PM
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I think this is being approach from the wrong angle. Someone was badly hurt on a legal play (apart from the interference), Why does the question have to be, "how can we make this play illegal?" It can be, "How can we make this legal play safer?" Rounding the glass? Big blue padding? Plante getting hit in the face with a puck didn't outlaw slapshots, it changed equipment. Perhaps the same treatment is needed here. Anyone remember when Al Iafrate's career was derailed by smashing into the partition?

Chara might have meant to do it, but anyone who says that they know he did is delusional. It was a hockey play gone wrong, these cannot be outlawed. The only people saying otherwise are grabbing for headlines.

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#141 Reality Check to the head
March 10 2011, 08:47PM
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The League made the right decision. People should punish the people who designed the rink, not the player.

The only reason this is a serious issue with people who have less hockey IQ is that this happenned to a Montreal player. If Chara wanted to, this player would be dead. His complete focus was to hit and rub the other player out. Not to break the guys neck. I have seen way worse hits this year. I dont even see a suspension being just here. I do seeing the rink designs being changed and should be changed.

If you suspend Chara for this, basically the NHL is suspending someone for being bigger and stronger than his competition, while doing his job.

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#142 stevezie
March 10 2011, 09:00PM
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Yeah! If we can agree that it's impossible to know Chara's intentions, then what exactly are we seeking to eliminate? Rubbing people out? It wasn't even a hard hit, it was just at an unfortunate location. Couldn't this problem be solved by altering the specs of that location?
Well that opinion makes for a lousy headline, so Air Canada, Parliment, TSN and the Montreal Police are going to go another way. I think Canucks Assistant coash Rick Bowness said it best: "It was terrible, but if this happened fifteen years ago I'm not sure that there's any outcry at all*."

*Not exact quote.

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#143 knobert
March 10 2011, 10:01PM
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late to the converstion but...........

If this is how Air Canda feels about our national sport I would request them to take the Canada out of their name because their level of air transport service is an embarrassment to the Canadian identity!!

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#144 oildawg99
March 10 2011, 11:35PM
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New to the Nation.

Anyone else getting annoyed with people who watch a play in super slow motion and are able to see inside a players brain to know what they are thinking? If Chara did this with intention and it was so easy to do we would see a lot more of it in the NHL. There really are not that many cases of guys getting there heads run into the turnbuckle. Reason: it is pretty friggen hard to do at full speed.

There may be an argument for a couple of games because it was interference so a player was hurt on an illegal hit... but to say he did it on purpose is beyond stupid.

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#145 Dominoiler
March 11 2011, 12:46AM
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late to the party, but...

What are you smoking gregor?..

"It was seven years ago this past Tuesday that Todd Bertuzzi jumped Steve Moore and the reaction wasn't close to the emotional outcry that we are witnessing right now."

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#146 Dominoiler
March 11 2011, 12:57AM
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"Anyone else getting annoyed with people who watch a play in super slow motion and are able to see inside a players brain to know what they are thinking?"

- yup

"but to say he did it on purpose is beyond stupid."

- Glad to see that at least 'you' can see inside his brain with the slow motion.. just so you know, your argument is just as stupid..

"If Chara did this with intention and it was so easy to do we would see a lot more of it in the NHL."

- every player is a dirt bag?.. has no respect.. you could be right?!..

"There really are not that many cases of guys getting there heads run into the turnbuckle. Reason: it is pretty friggen hard to do at full speed."

- it helps if you push the other player into it.. In fact, it is much more likely if you are being directed into it.. without that helping hand.. well.. it doesnt happen..

Just cus it doesnt happen often and its unlikely to occur doesnt mean that chara didnt do it with intention..

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#147 Hungoverman
March 11 2011, 05:02AM
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@baggedmilk

I hope Forest Gump is playing. He's my favorite.

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#148 Hungoverman
March 11 2011, 05:02AM
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Stupid double post. I need beer.

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#149 Hungoverman
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Stupid triple post. I need more beer.>

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#150 Slapshotzky
March 11 2011, 09:18AM
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Mike wrote:

I don't think it his job to listen to callers. It is a privilege to get through, and I don't see why he has to listen.

It sounds like you are bitter with him because he disagreed with you, or maybe chirped you.

I don't see why fans think it it THEIR right to be heard. It isn't. If you want to be heard then get a blog or a show.

I can't speak on his behalf, but part of what makes the Nation so great is that he and Brownlee do interact with posters. I've never thought he was condescending. He just calls it like it is and most of us seem to enjoy it, but I'd sure not everyone likes his style.

I don't know any radio or TV or writer who is liked by everyone. That is what makes is so entertaining to read and listen to so many different opinions. Just my thoughts.

Mike is your name eh? Hahahahahahaha

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