Rob Schremp In His Draft Year

Jonathan Willis
August 24 2009 05:45PM

Veteran readers here at the Nation will recall that back in February I did a mammoth nine-page/4000-word profile on Oilers’ prospect Rob Schremp. I didn’t think I’d have any more to add to it. I was wrong.

Tyler Dellow at mc79hockey.com had an inspired idea over the last few days: he went back to Schremp’s draft year, grabbed the draft-eligible forwards, and broke down their scoring into even-strength and power-play point production. He discovered something remarkable.

For starters, Rob Schremp’ production came almost exclusively on the powerplay. We might have guessed that from Kyle Woodlief’s 2004 scouting report (where he talked about Schremp needing “lots of ice to work with”), but I doubt we would have recognized the true extent of the inbalance. In total, 47 points – 63% of Schremp’s total production – came with the man advantage. At even-strength, he was actually a below average point-producer, as a quick comparison to fellow ’04 draftees Liam Reddox and Dave Bolland shows us:

Even-Strength Scoring, 2003-04

  • Schremp: 63GP – 14G – 14A – 28PTS
  • Reddox: 68GP – 18G – 16A – 34PTS
  • Bolland: 65GP – 17G – 16A – 33PTS

It’s also probably worth noting that 63% of Reddox’s even-strength assists were primary, as opposed to just 43% of Schremp’s.

Gabriel Desjardins of Behind the Net took Tyler’s discovery of the 2003-04 OHL game sheets one step further. He used my quality of competition method and ranked the draft-eligible 2003-04 forwards by how difficult the minutes they played were. The entire list is here; I’ll just compare Schremp to his teammate Dave Bolland and again to Liam Reddox:

Quality of Competition, 2003-04

  • Bolland: 83
  • Reddox: 82
  • Schremp: 41

Basically, this means that Dale Hunter did his level best to get Rob Schremp out on the ice against sub-par opponents, while players like Reddox and Bolland posted their totals against superior opponents.

This matters quite a bit since the vast majority of the game – and a player’s minutes – take place at even-strength. In his draft year, Schremp’s even-strength results were not especially noteworthy, as he put up fewer points in a far easier situation than did Reddox or Bolland.

In light of this, it’s perhaps unsurprising that both Dave Bolland and Liam Reddox have had better careers to date than Rob Schremp.

74b7cedc5d8bfbe88cf071309e98d2c3
Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
Avatar
#1 EMAC
August 24 2009, 05:51PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

First line center by Christmas.

Avatar
#2 ronaldo
August 24 2009, 05:53PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

I think I started following ON soon after Feb so I just missed your thesis JW, but this is very interesting stuff. As a non-believer in Schremp's god-like ability (if only he was given a chance of course), this sure shines a light as to the actual player he is and why he seems unable to succeed at the nhl level (or ahl level for that matter).

Avatar
#3 Ender the Dragon
August 24 2009, 05:55PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@ EMAC: Who? Reddox? ;)

Avatar
#4 viss.99
August 24 2009, 05:55PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Where's ScubaSteve?

Avatar
#5 Robin Brownlee
August 24 2009, 05:58PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

WTF? Nine pages and 4,000 words and you didn't cover everything? Next time you're dissecting a newspaper piece for having holes in it or failing to delve deep enough, keep in mind the max length for a column at the Journal or Sun is about 900 words, if the page editor is feeling generous.

Avatar
#6 Kotton
August 24 2009, 06:07PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Jonathan Willis : Do you have a link to access OHL / WHL /Q Gamesheets?

Avatar
#7 Homie
August 24 2009, 06:28PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Great post and follow up to the earlier post. I'm not a Reddox lover but I think he will have a far more productive career than Schremp ever will.

Avatar
#8 Kotton
August 24 2009, 06:32PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Never mind that, I found em.

Avatar
#9 viss.99
August 24 2009, 06:33PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Maybe Rob Schremp will get going under Quinn

Avatar
#10 Librarian Mike
August 24 2009, 06:45PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

What is it about the number 88 that screams 'character issues'? Lindros, Kane, Schremp...

Avatar
#11 Dallas
August 24 2009, 06:45PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Bring on the season,and I swear we better make the playoffs this year. I'm tired of these long summers and short seasons.

Avatar
#12 Dallas
August 24 2009, 06:49PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

And is this saying that Reddox is just about as good a player as Bolland I dunno their has to be more intangables to this stuff cause I don't think Reddox is close to the player Bolland is

Avatar
#13 Lofty
August 24 2009, 06:56PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

The one thing that I like about Schremp is that he is a gamble. The Oil didn’t know what they were going to get when they got him, he could have been great but it looks like he could be a dud.

I am tired of the oil pluging 2nd and 3rd line players in the place where stars should be.

When I look at where Detroit has found its core and where they drafted them I realize what good scouts and a little gamble can produce.

Oilers history has shown that organization is not scared to take some chances... just seems they are short on scouting and foresight when they do.

Avatar
#14 viss.99
August 24 2009, 06:57PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@ Dallas: I agree and if we don't make the playoffs Tambo is going to have a big target on him.

Avatar
#15 Antony Ta
August 24 2009, 07:02PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Perhaps, but Schremp didn't exactly stink up the AHL except for having a bad season in 2008-09. Could you do a similar analysis based on his AHL career so far? I'm curious as to how that would've broke down with the Penguins AHL affiliate as well as with the Falcons.

Avatar
#16 Harlie
August 24 2009, 07:19PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

"alot of people think that Schremp ain't all that, and a bag of chips." So far I agree with RB on that assessment.

Avatar
#17 Chris
August 24 2009, 07:38PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Schremp is not a useful player; He is simply not versatile enough to deserve a regular roster spot. Even if the Oilers give him a shot, and he starts producing offensively; Schremp will likely have a short career. Point producing forwards need a broader skillset to fall back on as they age.

Avatar
#18 Jonathan Willis
August 24 2009, 07:48PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Dallas wrote:

And is this saying that Reddox is just about as good a player as Bolland I dunno their has to be more intangables to this stuff cause I don’t think Reddox is close to the player Bolland is

Of course not. It says they were close at age 18.

Avatar
#19 vern
August 24 2009, 07:58PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Schremp needs to get his strength and skating up to par. He then needs to learn to compeate and listen to coaching on a regular basis. If he can do that and improve his 2-way play he might have a chance to play in the NHL.

Avatar
#20 Dallas
August 24 2009, 08:13PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@ Jonathan Willis: Got ya! Hey what pos was Bolland drafted? Was it before or after Schremp?

Avatar
#21 Dallas
August 24 2009, 08:16PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@ vern: I believe he has worked his a$$ off on that the last 2 summers so he has to be getting close in at least his strength. Skating is something that can take a very long time to get up to par pending where the player is at

Avatar
#22 Jonathan Willis
August 24 2009, 08:19PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@ Dallas:

Seven picks after.

Avatar
#23 JRyanMac
August 24 2009, 08:37PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

I think if the guy is working his a$$ off, and still had the type of season he had last year, chances are he may have hit the peak of his abilities already.

Avatar
#24 David S
August 24 2009, 08:45PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

vern wrote:

Schremp needs to get his strength and skating up to par. He then needs to learn to compeate and listen to coaching on a regular basis. If he can do that and improve his 2-way play he might have a chance to play in the NHL.

So I guess that means he'll be just about ready for a regular shift around, oh say...2012?

Avatar
#25 Dallas
August 24 2009, 09:11PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@ Jonathan Willis: I know the draft is pretty much a crapshoot but god stuff like that sure looks horrible

Avatar
#26 Joe
August 24 2009, 09:20PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Chris wrote:

Schremp is not a useful player; He is simply not versatile enough to deserve a regular roster spot. Even if the Oilers give him a shot, and he starts producing offensively; Schremp will likely have a short career. Point producing forwards need a broader skillset to fall back on as they age.

We only sow Shremp 7 times in 3 years and he scored 4 points. Where did you get your information from? How do you know about his skillset. Did you see him play anywhere? I just looked at the video of his skills and I don't know too many players that can do what he can. Did he have a good chanse to show his stuff in Edmonton? NO!!! Let him play 40 or 60 games and then talk about his skills.

Avatar
#27 Cam
August 24 2009, 09:25PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Dallas wrote:

@ Jonathan Willis: I know the draft is pretty much a crapshoot but god stuff like that sure looks horrible

true, but there are a few the oilers got late that are players (Cogliano, Stoll, Hemsky) and there were a lot of duds before them. It's not all bad, and not every pick is going to be a winner. Detroit has picked plenty of bad picks under their belt, they just have had some really good homeruns.

Avatar
#28 vern
August 24 2009, 09:32PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@ Joe: Schremp has great hands. However he lacks the speed and skating ability at this time to fully use them in the NHL. He also needs to work on his defensive game so he is not a liability in his own end. His game is slowly comming around and we may see more of him this season. That being said, he has not shown enough in the AHL to warant an extended showing in the NHL. You tube videos are nice, but its long term in game results that coaches look at.

Avatar
#29 Chris
August 24 2009, 09:37PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@ Joe:

Schremp isn't big. He doesn't hit. He isn't that fast. This is what I saw watching him at camp, and during two different regular season NHL games. He also didn't produce much in Sprinfield last season. I don't like players (even skilled players) who aren't capable of working their way up from bottom six roles. Saying he could be used as an offensive specialist is a nice way of saying he'll never be a complete player.

Avatar
#30 Joe
August 24 2009, 09:50PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

vern wrote:

@ Joe: Schremp has great hands. However he lacks the speed and skating ability at this time to fully use them in the NHL. He also needs to work on his defensive game so he is not a liability in his own end. You are using the same words MacT used when he was pressed angainst the wall by the media about his stuppidity. There was a torture in Turkey a lont time ago. The guilty guy was put in the barrel of sh!t and only his had was above the sh!t. From time to time the guard would swing his sword on the guys neck level so to avoid beeing kiled the guy had to deep in sh!t with his head. After number of times like that if the guy survived they would let him go but he had some bad feelings after that. That remindes me of Shremp. How many times they can put him in sh!t and expect him to play well in AHL?
Avatar
#31 Jonathan Willis
August 24 2009, 09:55PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@ Joe:

Seriously? You think that's a legitimate comparison to getting paid to play hockey in the AHL?

Fun question, for you or anyone else:

What did Schremp do this year to justify getting ice-time over Ryan Potulny or Gilbert Brule? If the answer is 'not much' let's just admit that the AHL was where he belonged.

Avatar
#32 vern
August 24 2009, 10:07PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@ Joe: Sure Mac T was wrong in the way he called out Schremp. He is not the first player to be called out in the media by a coach. A player has to be able to play through things like. Its part of being a profesonal. Saying he played bad because of what was said about him so now he deserves a roster spot in the NHL is rediculous. NHL ice time has to be earned. Top 6 time is hard to come by and Schremp can't play in the bottom 6. He will get his shot if he earns it, not before.

Avatar
#33 Joe
August 24 2009, 10:09PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Jonathan Willis Nobody did good last year in Springfield!!! Nobody! And that is why they where in the last place and had to buy a lot of new players..

Avatar
#34 Joe
August 24 2009, 10:16PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

vern wrote:

@ Joe: Sure Mac T was wrong in the way he called out Schremp. He is not the first player to be called out in the media by a coach. A player has to be able to play through things like. Its part of being a profesonal. Saying he played bad because of what was said about him so now he deserves a roster spot in the NHL is rediculous. NHL ice time has to be earned. Top 6 time is hard to come by and Schremp can’t play in the bottom 6. He will get his shot if he earns it, not before.

I did not say he deserves a rooster spot, I said he deserves a chance to play more then 7 games in 3 years so we can see what he can and can not do and then talk about it intelengently.

Avatar
#35 Chris
August 24 2009, 10:22PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@ Jonathan Willis:

Thanks.

Joe wrote:

Did he have a good chanse to show his stuff in Edmonton? NO!!! Let him play 40 or 60 games and then talk about his skills.

This kind of thinking ruins hockey teams. ~Why not let Chorney play 40 or 60 games to show his stuff? Let's see Reddox, Stone, MPS, Potulny, and Dubnyuk for a good 50 games a piece... How else could you possibily give them a fair evaluation? Who needs playoffs? Cut Gagner. Trade Cogliano; we need to make room for Schremp! We need to be fair to every prospect that comes through the sytem by giving everyone NHL playing time regardless of minor league performance. The fact that roster spots are both limited and precious should not be a concern.~

Why is it that so many people cannot understand that every minute played by a prospect comes at the expense of an established NHL player; and it takes an entire team of established NHL players working together to win consistantly at the NHL level?

Avatar
#36 vern
August 24 2009, 10:25PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@ Joe: Rob Schremp 7 goals 35 assists 42 points -26 Those are not numbers that scream call up material. Y

Avatar
#37 vern
August 24 2009, 10:35PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Joe wrote:

he deserves a chance to play more then 7 games in 3 years so we can see what he can and can not do and then talk about it intelengently.

His play has not shown he is ready for extended playing time in the NHL. If a player can not preform aganst weaker opposisition and goaltending, how can you say they have earned NHL time.

Avatar
#38 Travis Dakin
August 24 2009, 10:36PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Chris wrote:

Why is it that so many people cannot understand that every minute played by a prospect comes at the expense of an established NHL player; and it takes an entire team of established NHL players working together to win consistantly at the NHL level?

so how do these established NHL players become established? Lets be reasonable, Schremp was a first round draft pick who scores points on the PP. Has he been given a chance to do that? No, only 4 games last year and he scored 3 points. Yes I agree you have to earn your chances but there is also, or should be anyway, a little bit extra chance given to the higher draft picks. They are high for a reason. You need to give them a chance to play where they are effective. Rob Schremp will never be a checking line center and trying to turn guys like him into one is one of the reasons MacTavish is no longer the coach. He did great in the AHL the year before last and played on a crap team this past year, and probably was really set back by the demotion after showing well in 4 games. I don't believe he will be the next big thing but I do believe that if he was actually handled properly he could be a Comrie or with a maybe even a Savard in a few years. Don't laugh, how were Savard and St. Louis doing at this age? Guys like that just click one day. (I know they are faster) vern wrote:

Schremp has great hands. However he lacks the speed and skating ability at this time to fully use them in the NHL. He also needs to work on his defensive game so he is not a liability in his own end.

There are far worse skaters and players in the league. He is what he is, a magician on the PP and shootouts that can contribute moderately as a secondary scorer. He will never be a grinder. On a team starved for some extra offense there is room for players like him.

Avatar
#39 Joe
August 24 2009, 10:37PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Chris if that is the case then please tell me why do we have drafts? We need to keep players like Penner so do not try Shremp or enybody else! Is that the idea?

Avatar
#40 ronaldo
August 24 2009, 10:39PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@ Joe

Really?!?

Give him 40 to 60 games to see what he can do? That is exactly what the AHL is for- to show what you can do against grown men. Using your ridiculous analogy- even that dude in Turkey "proved" he could handle the barrell of sh!t before they let him out.

Avatar
#41 Joe
August 24 2009, 10:45PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@ Travis Dakin: You are right. Thank you for using your brain.

Avatar
#42 vern
August 24 2009, 10:48PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Travis Dakin wrote:

a little bit extra chance given to the higher draft picks. They are high for a reason. You need to give them a chance to play where they are effective.

Brule was a higher pick and had 8 moree goals in 30 less AHL games last year. He never got an extended call up. Brule can play in the bottom 6, Schremp can not. If he buckles down, works hard, and earns his chance then give it to him. Until then play the players that have earned it.Pat Fallon was picked first over all and given plenty of NHL games. How did he worked out for the sharks.

Avatar
#43 Travis Dakin
August 24 2009, 10:49PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@ ronaldo: The man score 76 points in 78 games 2 years ago in the AHL. He didn't do as good last year because well, the whole team sh!t a brick. He has proven that he can be effective in the right setting. He needs to be given the right environment to thrive, the right protection to see what he can do. I still will bet huge money that he will become a decent point producer in the NHL. Again, I don't think he will score like gangbusters but there is a roll for him. He will make the organization look silly for wasting valuable development time to Toby Reddox.

Avatar
#44 Travis Dakin
August 24 2009, 10:52PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

vern wrote:

Brule was a higher pick and had 8 moree goals in 30 less AHL games last year. He never got an extended call up. Brule can play in the bottom 6, Schremp can not. If he buckles down, works hard, and earns his chance then give it to him. Until then play the players that have earned it.Pat Fallon was picked first over all and given plenty of NHL games. How did he worked out for the sharks.

Two completely different types of players. Brule was a 6th overall draft pick that was compared to Crosby. He was very poorly managed by the Jackets and his development was majorly altered. I think he too will be a gem of a player when given the right opportunity to succeed.

Pat Falloon was 2nd overall behind Lindros and he was given opportunity and didn't succeed. That could happen to Schremp too but he needs to be given the opportunity.

Avatar
#45 Joe
August 24 2009, 10:52PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

ronaldo wrote:

@ Joe Really?!? Give him 40 to 60 games to see what he can do? That is exactly what the AHL is for- to show what you can do against grown men. Using your ridiculous analogy- even that dude in Turkey “proved” he could handle the barrell of sh!t before they let him out.

Proved to HANDLE the barrell of sh!t? You mean eat it? Is that what you want the first rounders to do? Why Shremp and not Reddox? Is Reddox better because he can kiss MacT a$$ better? Please tell me why any AHLer get a chance in NHL unless they scorred 165 goals every game?

Avatar
#46 Travis Dakin
August 24 2009, 10:54PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

vern wrote:

Brule was a higher pick and had 8 moree goals in 30 less AHL games last year. He never got an extended call up

Brule has also played 157 NHL games. Schremp is not a goal scorer. He is a PP quarterback. He makes plays happen. One dimensional yes but it is a dimension this team does not have.

Avatar
#47 Travis Dakin
August 24 2009, 10:58PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@ vern: @ ronaldo: Not to compare the two too closely because they are literally and figuratively in two different leagues but Spezza was sent down I think three years in a row to develop (including the lockout) because he had the same deficiencies that Schremp apparently has. He is still slow and poor defensively but he was still given the opportunity to thrive and voila, a point a game player. Again, I don't believe that Schremp will ever be the player Spezza is, the point is that guys who have certain deficiencies can make up for them with other talents and still succeed in the right environment.

Avatar
#48 vern
August 24 2009, 10:58PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Travis Dakin wrote:

He is a PP quarterback. He makes plays happen. One dimensional yes but it is a dimension this team does not have.

Ales Hemsky is one of the best passers in the game. The oilers need someone to finish the play

Avatar
#49 Joe
August 24 2009, 11:03PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

vern wrote:

Travis Dakin wrote: He is a PP quarterback. He makes plays happen. One dimensional yes but it is a dimension this team does not have. Ales Hemsky is one of the best passers in the game. The oilers need someone to finish the play

Is the limit one passer per team? You are not allowed to have 2?

Avatar
#50 Travis Dakin
August 24 2009, 11:04PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

vern wrote:

Ales Hemsky is one of the best passers in the game. The oilers need someone to finish the play

Agreed, Schremp is not that guy. But there is a roll for him. He produces points. It's just what he does. That is his game and someone will use him in an effective manor because wether you choose to believe it or not, guys with his talent level are not a dime a dozen. Schremp's biggest hurdle is overcoming his own hype. People expected a god with him.

Comments are closed for this article.