Northwest review, part two

Jean Lefebvre
July 08 2009 10:30PM

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After touching on the off-season activities of the Wild and Avalanche in a previous entry, we now discuss those other three teams in the Northwest Division.

EDMONTON

During the Jaroslav Pouzar-Dave Lumley-Willy Lindstrom era in Edmonton (and whoever those other guys were), the Oilers were feared, detested and envied by Calgary fans. The mixture of the ingredients varied from Flames supporter to Flames supporter, but those pretty much were the underlying sentiments.

Over the past three years, however, through three playoff-less seasons in Edmonton and Pronger-gate, Vanek-gate, Penner-gate, Nylander-gate and Huggy Bear’s Wrestlemania, the Oilers were mostly ridiculed by Flames fans, at least for the 10-14 additional days Calgary managed to stay alive in each of those years.

Needless to say, Edmontonians bristled at the taunting and you would have thought things couldn’t get worse for the lovers of the Copper-and-Navy (formerly Orange-and-Blue) but now comes word that some small-l liberal Calgary fans are now actually pitying their northern counterparts and, well, that may be more than some Oilers fans can stand.

Yes, believe or not, some Flames fans admitted to feeling sorry for the Oilers when Dany Heatley became the latest NHLer to give Edmonton the old “Thanks but no thanks.” Of course, most of them got over that in a big hurry and the snickering and pointing quickly resumed. L’Affaire Heatley isn’t over of course, with two major questions remaining to be resolved.

  1. When and if Heatley realizes his other options either suck or are non-existent, will the persnickety winger finally agree to join the Oilers?
  2. Would Oilers rather have the malcontent mop-top on their roster or three guys who have experienced the uneasiness that comes with you’ve-been-traded-oh-no-you-haven’t-so-welcome-back- but-don’t-unpack-your-bags-just-yet?

On that latter point, a reasonably close parallel to what Andrew Cogliano, Dustin Penner and Ladislav Smid must be feeling at the moment can be found on the 1992 New York Rangers. That’s the team that lost out on the Eric Lindros arbitration ruling, which means that John Vanbiesbrouck, Tony Amonte, Doug Weight and Alexei Kovalev all remained in Manhattan instead of going to Quebec City.

All of those guys continued to have productive careers (and a couple aren’t done yet) but it’s interesting to note that Vanbiesbrouck and Weight were both gone within a year of the aborted trade and Amonte was out of there a season after that.

Only Kovalev, who had yet played an NHL game at this point, remained with the Rangers for an appreciable length of time after the Lindros whiff.

All of which means that assessing Steve Tambellini’s summer work will be difficult until the Heatley smoke clears, and even maybe not until a quarter-season of regular-season action after that.

Sorting out the goaltending switcheroo involving Dwayne Roloson and Nikolai Khabibulin, who at some point in the past 18 months couldn’t be given away by their employers, is a bit of a head-scratcher, although time is certainly on the Oilers’ and Bulin Wall’s side. Also, Khabibulin has been a Flames-killer throughout his career, and that’s got to count for something in July when it’s still three months away from meaningful games.

After that, and with all due apologies to members of the Kyle Brodziak and Jason Strudwick families, things have been pretty quiet this summer at the building formerly known as Northlands Coliseum. Tambellini will keep pitching on the Heatley front no doubt, but otherwise too many of the improvement plans, most notably those concocted by fans, over-ambitiously start with “If we built a package around Robert Nilsson, maybe we could pry that young stud from (fill in the blank).”

KJR (Knee-Jerk Ruling): Pending further developments, a loser. Thanks to another summer of star snobbery, it’s been another trying off-season for Oilers fans, who now have to settle for in-house reasons to convince themselves sunnier days are ahead. Well, that and clinging to the old bromide about the best trades sometimes being the ones you don’t make.

VANCOUVER

It’s hard to make heads or tails out of the Canucks’ off-season doings, if only because we’re hopelessly distracted by all the conspiracy theories emanating from Tony Gallagher’s keyboard.

Actually, analyzing Vancouver’s summer doings is pretty straightforward. The reigning division champions managed to keep the Sedin twins on something less than the lifetime-plus-a-year contracts that had been rumoured, did the expected by waving good-bye to a proud but declining battler in Mattias Ohlund, signed Mikael Samuelsson to a slightly pricy deal and decided Andrew Raycroft – yikes! -- was their new backup goalie.

Perhaps the best summer news for Canucks fans is that all the chatter about Marian Gaborik buying a house in Vancouver turned out to be poppycock and that the oft-injured winger is now John Tortorella’s headache and not Alain Vigneault’s.

KJR: A winner, despite how things might look on paper. Ohlund spent more time on the ice than any Canucks player not named Willie Mitchell or Roberto Luongo in 2008-09, so his departure shouldn’t be written off cavalierly. But considering that his exit has been considered a foregone conclusion for some time and that the Sedins’ return was anything but, this should be considered a positive off-season on the Left Coast.

CALGARY

Similar to the Ohlund situation in Vancouver, the sting of Calgary losing Michael Cammalleri is lessened by the fact most clear-thinking Flames fans have seen this coming for a while. If it wasn’t painfully obvious when Cammalleri started popping goals like crazy and adding more and more loonies to his prospective new contract, the deal was sealed when the Flames committed a bunch of cash by trading the reasonably priced Matthew Lombardi for Olli Jokinen and his hefty deal.

On the flip side, the Flames landed big blue-liner Jay Bouwmeester and convinced him to accept a not-outrageous long-term deal. It says something about Bouwmeester’s reputation when most of the criticism of Calgary’s landing of the rangy rearguard was focused not on any shortcomings the player might have but on the financial corner into which the Flames have now theoretically painted themselves.

Fredrik Sjostrom gives the Flames another dependable winger with limited offensive upside and the return of Brandon Prust adds bite to the fourth line. But the biggest non-Bouwmeester newcomer is Brent Sutter, the new skipper who, in no particular order, is being asked to bring back defensive accountability to the Flames after the laissez-faire Keenan years, get former junior protégé Dion Phaneuf’s career back on track and, oh yeah, get the Flames past the first round.

Many of the Flames’ other off-season additions – Garth Murray, Jason Jaffray, Staffan Kronwall – likely qualify as bigger news for the good folks of Abbotsford, B.C., than those of Calgary.

One more thing, with the Flames seemingly having no room or money left for Todd Bertuzzi, the Flames will be a lot less entertaining next year. More technically sound, perhaps, but far less enjoyable now that Big Bert’s fancy passes and loop-de-loop skating are apparently headed elsewhere.

KJR: A winner thanks to Bouwmeester, but only if the Flames follow through on their vows to put an end to all the careless freewheeling. They have to give Miikka Kiprusoff the help he clearly needs because the goals figure to be much harder to come by.

Overview

Subject to reconsideration when we get closer to training camp (in fact, you can pretty much count on some flip-flopping) I don’t see any team having done enough (or too little) to change their Northwest standing by more than one position. In fact, an identical first-to-fifth finish -- Canucks-Flames-Wild-Oilers-Avs -- looks like a pretty decent bet.

That said, I wonder if anyone with a dissenting opinion could be convinced to post a comment below?

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Lefebvre is in that awkward stage of hockey following -- old enough to fondly remember the Cleveland Barons and too set in his ways to accept charity points and games where there's a winner but apparently no loser. As a long-time ink-stained wretch, he's also a firm believer in the old Bobby Knight quote about journalists: "All of us learn to write in second grade, but most of us go on to better things."
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#1 Northwest review, part two
July 08 2009, 10:47PM
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[...] News Sources wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptJul810:30 pm Jean Lefebvre After touching on the off-season activities of the Wild and Avalanche in a previous entry, we now discuss those other three teams in the Northwest Division.EDMONTONDuring the Jaroslav Pouzar-Dave Lumley-Willy Lindstrom era in Edmonton (and whoever those other guys were), the Oilers were feared, detested and envied by Calgary fans. The mixture of the ingredients varied from Flames supporter to Flames supporter, but those pretty much were the underlying sentiments.Over t [...]

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#2 The Towel Boy
July 08 2009, 10:54PM
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...man, is it October yet?

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#3 heavyd
July 08 2009, 10:58PM
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Why is it Tim Horton edtion?

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#4 Penner's 2nd Chin
July 08 2009, 10:59PM
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You forgot to mention the Oilers/Flames new coaches!

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#5 Roz
July 08 2009, 11:00PM
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@ The Towel Boy: Nooooooooooo... Its only July 8th I can't wait to see Bulin kicking the Flames a$$.

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#6 bingofuel
July 08 2009, 11:09PM
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@ heavyd:

Hahahaha, I just realized that looks like an ad. In all honesty, it's just because these are the Canadian teams in the northwest (previous post was for the two US teams). Will change that right away!

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#7 Librarian Mike
July 08 2009, 11:12PM
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I'm sure Brent Sutter will get Phaneuf back to his old habits: Solid defensive play and making sure to wear his helmet when he's out in public.

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#8 ScubaSteve
July 08 2009, 11:16PM
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I gotta call the Oil winners in the off-season just from the firing of MacT and the hiring of 2 top tier coaches.

The other winner? Harvey the Hound doesn't have to live in fear anymore and can wave his tongue proudly.

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#9 heavyd
July 09 2009, 12:04AM
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@ bingofuel: I don't care, but I work for Tim Hortons, and I am a manager, and they are really stuck up, when it comes to people using the name, thats why I asked thats all. I didn't want you guys getting a lawsuit or something.

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#10 smiley
July 09 2009, 02:44AM
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While this was gut-wrenching to read as an Oilers fan, this was a tremendously awesome article.

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#11 Neil Sherwood
July 09 2009, 06:44AM
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Being an Oil fan and a relentless reader of all the Oil blogs (first time comment) I see nobody has taken into account two things: 1. The second year jinx is up and the kid line is gonna roll with 'er (Nilsson included) under the new coaches 2. All the players that are signed are going to excel under the new coaches and play to potential and if Kotalik is signed then Penner looks great on the third or fourth.

We don't need anyone and we don't need Heatbag.

The Wall will do well here and DePuckaway will play 20 and amaze.

Oil finish 2nd in the division

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#12 Garett
July 09 2009, 07:00AM
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Oil finish 2nd in the division? As the team is now? You are clearly not well in the head! We will start out 4-0 again, get all excited, then turn into the welcome mat and get s*it-stomped in our own building on numerous occasions like last year. We cannot stand pat with what we have here for a roster, we need drastic player personnel improvements to finish above 4th in the northwest.

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#13 DanMan
July 09 2009, 07:20AM
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You got it right ScubaSteve!

I think its crazy that the flamers invested so much cap room in a 40 point d-man who's 6'4" 225 and doesn't play physical.

Kinda sounds like Tom Gilbert.

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#14 kurt
July 09 2009, 07:23AM
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Roz wrote:

@ The Towel Boy: Nooooooooooo… Its only July 8th I can’t wait to see Bulin kicking the Flames a$$.

that is if we can get through there defence to score! eh kinda like when roli was stopping the sharks... WE NEED SOMEONE TO SCORE!!!

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#15 5cups
July 09 2009, 07:51AM
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I can't see how the nucks got better by shelling out a load more money to keep the sisters and lost one of their best DMen. They can't be more than a wash unless you are saying they are all that much better because they are Sundinless. Well they used his cap space for the twins.

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#16 cambosmash
July 09 2009, 07:54AM
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How are the Canucks winners? I would argue the overpay of Samuelson and loss of Ohlund and Sundin makes them a worse team going forward. Doesn't that make them losers?

Calgary improved their blue and their coach which makes them a favorite in the NW even if they can't score. Edmonton improved in net and improved their coaching staff but otherwise are the same team. Replacing MacT with Quinn and Renney makes them winners in "off-season activities".

I want to throw a puck at Heatley's face.

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#17 scorecoff hemmercules
July 09 2009, 08:17AM
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Hmmm, a flamesnation writer saying the Flames and Nucks are winners and the Oilers are losers, not suprised. Also, there is still months left until the season, is Tambellini already done??

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#18 Alon
July 09 2009, 08:30AM
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@ Jean Lefebvre:

At least you admitted that it's still early. July 8th/9th is still very early to get a good handle on what any roster might look like in mid october.

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#19 Chaz
July 09 2009, 08:31AM
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Calgary are definitly winners...in the "Greatest Number of Cro-Magnons on One Team" contest. Seriously, now that they have Jokinen along with Phag-neuf and Iggy, they are all forehead. I hope Brent Sutter speaks Caveman...

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#20 Hoss
July 09 2009, 08:34AM
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Unless Sam Gagner and O'Sullivan can have a breakout year, (say 25-30 goals each and 70-75 pts.) ((I know it is unlikely)) We will look an awful lot like last year. Decent defense little or no offence. Sad as it is the team with Heatley looks better than without. (If Penner goes that is) If the begging and pleading manages to land him I say we win... Great article!

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#21 Alon
July 09 2009, 08:38AM
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@ Hoss:

I think you undervalue our team. As the way the roster stands, I don't think we are a playoff team (maybe someone surprises us on the roster with FO ability). But add a decent PK/FO guy I am fairly sure this is a playoff team.

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#22 Hoss
July 09 2009, 08:44AM
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@ Alon: I agree there, a decent PK/FO guy would help. I think as it stands we are still a 7th-11th place team like last year unless one of the young guys starts putting decent points up. Is there any trade bait out there that we could possibly pick up that would fill the PK hole? We have no cap room to sign anyone not that theres much to choose from now.

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#23 Wanye Gretz
July 09 2009, 09:01AM
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heavyd wrote:

@ bingofuel: I don’t care, but I work for Tim Hortons, and I am a manager, and they are really stuck up, when it comes to people using the name, thats why I asked thats all. I didn’t want you guys getting a lawsuit or something.

The day we are sued by Tim Horton's will be a proud day indeed. I will fly to Hamilton, take a knee and beg the Widow Horton's forgiveness.

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#24 Wanye Gretz
July 09 2009, 09:03AM
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"Thanks to another summer of star snobbery, it’s been another trying off-season for Oilers fans, who now have to settle for in-house reasons to convince themselves sunnier days are ahead. Well, that and clinging to the old bromide about the best trades sometimes being the ones you don’t make."

Must control .... urge to kill .... Lefebvre not sugar coating Oilers chances .... not appropriate talk for OilersNation.....

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#25 oilguyry
July 09 2009, 09:30AM
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I don't think you can say any of these teams are done yet so my comment is no comment good read though

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#26 Rick
July 09 2009, 09:36AM
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I don't see the huge leap forward made by the Flames this year.

Without a doubt their star power is individually heads and shoulders above the rest of the division but they are way too top heavy imo and they still have to shed some salary before the season starts.

As for Brent Sutter, how much of a difference maker will he really be? He wasn't one in Jersey and the Flames are on their 4th(?) head coach since this core of players were introduced without any improvement shown with the past three.

At some point you need to start looking at the key players instead of the coach.

All that aside, it's painful to agree that the way things sit today the Oilers are probably poised to finish 4th in division.

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#27 Kent
July 09 2009, 09:41AM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

Must control …. urge to kill …. Lefebvre not sugar coating Oilers chances …. not appropriate talk for OilersNation…..

There's still a lot of summer left. I'm sure the Oilers brass will be able to make some good mo...*snicker*...BWAHAHAHA!

Sorry. Couldn't make it all the way through that one.

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#28 Dominoiler
July 09 2009, 10:40AM
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I cant go on without comment... "Over the past three years, however, through three playoff-less seasons in Edmonton and Pronger-gate, Vanek-gate, Penner-gate, Nylander-gate and Huggy Bear’s Wrestlemania,.."

BBBHHHaaawwwwwaaaaaaa hahahaha..... huggy bear Wrestlemania caps it, f-yeah... f'n oilers... hehe...

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#29 Jay
July 09 2009, 11:18AM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

The day we are sued by Tim Horton’s will be a proud day indeed. I will fly to Hamilton, take a knee and beg the Widow Horton’s forgiveness.

That = Hilarious. The Widow Horton? haha

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#30 ScubaSteve
July 09 2009, 11:23AM
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I still really don't see how Vancouver is a winner. You subtract Ohlund (20+ mins a night) and replace him with nothing. You subtract Sundin and replace him with nothing. The only thing you add to your team is Samuelson, which you badly overpay. That doesn't look like a recipe for a winning off-season.

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#31 Dominoiler
July 09 2009, 11:24AM
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by-the-by... although the wild did good to keep backstrum, they can be overcome (once the oil's roster is actually improved) and are a team in a systems transition (actually, most in the NW will be so I guess thats a bit of a wash)... to early to throw in the towel, come on tambi.. make us proud...

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#32 Wanye Gretz
July 09 2009, 11:25AM
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@ Kent:

If it wasn't two degrees and raining I would have half a mind to come down to CGY and teach you some manners. You know, if I could convince someone down there to put down their Stampede Beer and Beef Jerky™ long enough to give me directions to the Self Righteous Flames Fan seating section.

*Kisses*

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#33 Rick
July 09 2009, 11:32AM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

... if I could convince someone down there to put down their Stampede Beer and Beef Jerky™ long enough to give me directions to the Self Righteous Flames Fan seating section.

That's easy to find, Self Righteous Flames Fan seating section is that bank of little blue cubicles located at the South end of the Stampede fair grounds.

Every Flames Fan that uses them can suck on a complimentary oversized breath mint.

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#34 ScubaSteve
July 09 2009, 11:34AM
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@ Wanye Gretz:

Just look for the massive foreheads, and listen for deep-rooted pain in the their grunts, should be easy to find.

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#35 The Menace
July 09 2009, 11:49AM
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Neil Sherwood wrote:

The Wall will do well here and DePuckaway will play 20 and amaze.

DePuckaway? I kind of like it. how about a nickname for Dubnyk? you don't want him to feel left out.

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#36 NonMint
July 09 2009, 12:03PM
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The Menace wrote:

Neil Sherwood wrote: The Wall will do well here and DePuckaway will play 20 and amaze. DePuckaway? I kind of like it. how about a nickname for Dubnyk? you don’t want him to feel left out.

DubHOLYBALLSYOURSIXSIX?

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#37 Lefebvre
July 09 2009, 01:20PM
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RE: Canucks as winners

There's ZERO, NONE, NADA, ZIPPO question the Canucks will miss the Mattias Ohlund of the past five years now that he's gone to Tampa. Thing is, I suspect they would have missed that Ohlund even if this one had re-signed with the 'Nucks.

Otherwise, you have the retaining of the twins (positive), replacing Sundin (and the accompanying drama) with Samuelsson (positive), mising out on Gaborik (positive) and replacing LaBarbera with Raycroft (relatively inconsequential unless Luongo gets hurt).

Maybe I'm missing the boat but considering how many people had written off Ohlund as gone months ago, I think I'd be happy if I was a Canucks fan.

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#38 Lefebvre
July 09 2009, 01:26PM
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RE: Oilers vs. Flames vs. Canucks

Honestly, if all you get out of the article is Oilers-bashing and Flames-cheerleading, then there's nothing I can do for you.

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#39 Lefebvre
July 09 2009, 01:33PM
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Rick wrote:

As for Brent Sutter, how much of a difference maker will he really be? He wasn’t one in Jersey and the Flames are on their 4th(?) head coach since this core of players were introduced without any improvement shown with the past three.

Good points, and ultimately I'm not sure that time won't prove that you're right.

The only reason I think a new coach might make a difference is that there is a perception Keenan was lax in enforcing accountability in some of the forwards (and the visible evidence tends to support that notion) and that Pup Sutter is planning to come in kicking ass and taking names and not taking no for an answer, even if it's Jarome Iginla doing the answering. Also, after seeing Phaneuf regress in the past couple of years, it seems reasonable to suggest his former junior taskmaster may be able to slap some sense into him.

That said, we should all be skeptical of new regimes promising changes in philosophy.

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#40 99_2_17
July 09 2009, 01:41PM
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I wonder at all if there's anything to be said for the Oilers standing pat with the existing core of young players that are in place (Gilbert, Cogliano, Nilsson, Gagner, Smid . . .etc). Assuming the Heatley deal doesn't go through, we should expect improvement in the exisiting group year-over-year. Maybe not enough to move us significantly up in the standings, but maybe into the playoffs? I think that one of the benefits of having a younger team is that you can expect to improve your team as the players on the team mature and move along their career trajectory. Sometimes sticking to the plan is a winning strategy. Has anyone seen an analysis that tries to predict how many more goals for we might expect given the career progression of some of the current players?

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#41 Archaeologuy
July 09 2009, 08:16PM
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Sedins stay a "positive"?, NO. It can at best be considered "neutral". How does adding them change anything for the better? It cant. THEY WERE ALREADY THERE. Thats like saying, "Dustin Penner returns for 2009/2010, a positive."

It's positive because they didnt leave, but it doesnt make the team better than it was.

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#42 Lefebvre
July 09 2009, 09:05PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

It’s positive because they didnt leave, but it doesnt make the team better than it was.

I think the exercise started as an evaluation of off-season activity so the fact they were retained is pretty relevant to the discussion.

If it seems I was claiming the Canucks were a better team than last year by mere virtue of the Sedins staying, then I must have expressed myself poorly.

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#43 kingsblade
July 09 2009, 10:38PM
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Librarian Mike wrote:

I’m sure Brent Sutter will get Phaneuf back to his old habits: Solid defensive play and making sure to wear his helmet when he’s out in public.

When was he ever in the habit of solid defensive play? Pee-wee?

Lefebvre wrote:

Otherwise, you have the retaining of the twins (positive),

Does not IMPROVE the team whatsoever, merely maintains status quo.

replacing Sundin (and the accompanying drama) with Samuelsson (positive),

meh. Does this really improve the teams outlook for the year?

mising out on Gaborik (positive)

Still does ot improve the team, especially when you consider that every team in the league but one made the exact same move.

and replacing LaBarbera with Raycroft (relatively inconsequential unless Luongo gets hurt).

Not significant.

At what point here do they win? Is it just that they avoided total collapse?

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#44 kingsblade
July 09 2009, 10:40PM
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Lefebvre wrote:

I think the exercise started as an evaluation of off-season activity so the fact they were retained is pretty relevant to the discussion. If it seems I was claiming the Canucks were a better team than last year by mere virtue of the Sedins staying, then I must have expressed myself poorly.

It still doesn't follow that they had a successful off-season. They merely avoided a terrible one.

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#45 Jonathan Willis
July 10 2009, 08:28AM
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There's something to be said for avoiding disaster (letting the Sedins leave).

For instance, had Kevin Lowe managed to convince He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named to stay in Edmonton in the summer of '06, that would have been a win.

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#46 Jim99
July 10 2009, 10:45AM
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Not sure why the comparison between Lombardi and Jokinen was even brought up here. You are dealing with two completely different players and expectations. Lombardi, while reasonably priced, never scored over 30/40 goals consistently. Jokinen is a proven goal-scorer on one of the worst teams in the league and his almost pt/game avg since joining the Flames in last years regular season demonstrates you are talking about two different players - two different classes. It's like comparing Hemsky to Horcoff - expect in this case the Oilers GROSSLY overpaid Horcoff. While Jokinen is very reasonably priced considering his past performance and future expectations...he still has upside - especially playing with Jerome, even if the chemistry wasn't completely there for all of last season.

Seems to me the writer here was just grasping to find flaws in the Flames team or management's recent decisions.

We'll take Jokinen over that little brat Heatley any day. It's pretty pathetic to see your GM groveling on his knees trying to convince the most hated man in hockey currently to sign and play in "Siberia". Your franchise has turned into the laughing stock of the entire league despite what OilersNation writers want you to believe. As a Flames fan I almost feel sorry for you guys...lol...ok, let's get serious - I AM LOVING IT!!!!!!!!!!!

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#47 Ryan
July 10 2009, 10:53AM
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Rick wrote:

don’t see the huge leap forward made by the Flames this year. Without a doubt their star power is individually heads and shoulders above the rest of the division but they are way too top heavy imo and they still have to shed some salary before the season starts. As for Brent Sutter, how much of a difference maker will he really be? He wasn’t one in Jersey and the Flames are on their 4th(?) head coach since this core of players were introduced without any improvement shown with the past three.

-It was a widely known fact that the Oilers would have hired Sutter as their first choice to replace MacT over Quinn and Renney. They had to resort to Quinn and Renney once they realized Sutter had no desire to coach in Edmonton.

-The Devils were lucky to make the playoffs last year considering they were missing Brodeur for a significant portion of the season. The fact that he did get the Devils to the playoffs and the fact they SHOULD have beat Carolina - was the reason he was considered the top coach of the year...and again, the Oiler's 1st choice as MacT's replacement.

-Changing coaches 3-4 times if things aren't working is much better than sticking with 1 coach for 8 seasons when the guy only got you to the playoffs 3 times.

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#48 Archaeologuy
July 10 2009, 10:59AM
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Ryan wrote:

It was a widely known fact that the Oilers would have hired Sutter as their first choice to replace MacT over Quinn and Renney. They had to resort to Quinn and Renney once they realized Sutter had no desire to coach in Edmonton.

Widely known fact? Hardly. It was speculation at best and even if Brent was available when Tambi made the decision there is no reason to believe that the Oilers would have taken Brent over Quinn.

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July 10 2009, 11:18AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Widely known fact? Hardly. It was speculation at best and even if Brent was available when Tambi made the decision there is no reason to believe that the Oilers would have taken Brent over Quinn

Maybe speculation in terms of what the public knew...according to my sources though, it was pretty well known that the Oilers were trying to land Brent.

Furthermore, the timing was pretty close to when Brent publicly stated he had no desire to coach the Oilers and a few days later Quinn/Renney were hired. You can call it coincidence - I would look deeper though.

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#50 Archaeologuy
July 10 2009, 11:21AM
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Ryan wrote:

according to my sources though, it was pretty well known that the Oilers were trying to land Brent.

well i will trust your sources then, random anonymous dude from the internet.

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