Live blog... NHL Draft Day 2 - Tambellini on Brodziak trade!
Jason Gregor
June 27 2009 08:10AM
8:05 a.m. MST
Day two doesn't have the same build up as day one, so I wouldn't be surprised to see more trades today.
And just like that the Day starts with a bang. And it is a piss in your cornflakes day for Oiler fans.
The Flames have acquired the rights to Jay Bouwmeester for Jordan Leopold and a 3rd pick. When the Flames sign him, they will have to trade some big contract away, and that would seem to be either Regehr or Phaneuf. We will watch with interest.
8:12 a.m MST
Six minutes in and we already have seven picks, it's amazing how much faster it goes. Landon Ferraro goes 32nd to the Detroit Red Wings, a big relief after sitting here for four hours yesterday without hearing his name called.
With the 40th pick the Oilers take another Swede, Anton Lander a 6'0" 194 pounder. Here is the scouting report on him.
"Great two-way player, plays as both a center and left wing, has decent faceoff skills as a center. A gifted playmaker, but also with some ability to score, will be known more for his passing skills however. Good gritty and physical player in the J20 in Sweden, battles well in the corners. Plays with great emotion and comes to play day in and day out, however this competitiveness has led to him taking unnecessary penalties at times. Hasn't adjusted to playing with men in the Elitserien yet, but they may happen over the course of the 08-09 season."
There is lots of talk on the floor about what this Flames deal means. Early speculation is that Dion Phaneuf could be dealt. The Flames don't have the cap space to keep Bouwmeester, Phaneuf and Regehr so one of them will move.
8:24 a.m. MST
The St. Louis Blues take Beaumont boy Brett Ponich, a 6'7" 210 pound giant. He is tough and physical D-man playing for the Portland Winterhawks. His stock kept rising all year and he is projected to be a solid D-man in a few years, as long as he improves his foot speed.
Darryl Sutter is now working the phones. You wonder how long he will wait to make a deal, because everyone knows he can't keep all three D-men. If the Human Rake can get you two players, and two first rounders, what do you think Phaneuf will attract?
8:38 a.m. MST
Round two is already over. This will be over quickly.
More on Lander. He played with MPS in Timra, and was his centreman. He's been the captain of the under 18 national team, and is very competitive. He admits he needs to improve his skating to play in the NHL, but like MPS, he will play in Timra again this coming season before heading over to North America.
Not a lot on the Heatley front right now. but the fact that Calgary took J-Bo has everyone talking. This muddies the waters, because it mean another big name, either Phaneuf or Regehr, is now on the block.
With the speed of the picks today, you don't see managment leaving their tables as often as yesterday.
I just had a brief talk with an eastern conference asst. GM and he said the interest level in one of the Flames D-men will be intense. He said Phaneuf might fetch more than the Human Rake. We will see.
8:50 a.m MST
With their third pick, 71st overall the Oilers took high schooler Troy Hesketh. He wasn't ranked anywhere by Central Scouting, in fact, he didn't even have a name card to slide in right away. They had two other name bars in below him, before they finally got a name plate for him on the big draft board.
He is going to Wisconsin next season. He is 6'2" and 185 pounds and is an offensive d-man. He had seven goals and 21 points in 25 games for the Minnetonka Skippers and was an impressive +23.
9:02 a.m. MST
A quick recap of yesterday's trades in case you missed them.
Ducks traded the Human Rake and prospect Ryan Dingle to the Flyers for Lupul, Sbisa, the 21st pick yesterday, a 1st rounder in 2010 and a conditional pick in 2010 or 2011.
Columbus traded picks #16 and #77 to the Islanders for #26, #37, #62 and #92
Minnesota traded #12 pick to Islanders for #16, #77 and #182.
Calgary traded pick #20 to New Jersey for #23 adn #84.
Anaheim traded #21 to Columbus for #26 and #37.
Detroit traded #29 to to Tampa for #32 and #75.
9:04 a.m. MST
The Oilers take from Everett in the WHL Cameron Abney. He is a tough as nails but the scouting report is he needs to improve a lot as a player.
9:13 a.m MST
Round three is over, and both Oiler picks weren't rated in Central scouting.
Abney is 6'4" 195 pounds who is tough as nails, but won't bring much offence. He had 1 goals and 4 points in 48 games with Everett this past year. He is a great fighter, but hasn't shown an ability to do much else.
This is a pick to toughen up the minor system down the road.
9:20 a.m MST
Now we start to see the GM's interacting. Most GM's don't know any of the players past the 3rd round and can now move a bit more freely to discuss possible moves. I don't see Sutter on the floor right now. He has been receiving a lot of calls, and now some are speculating that he will try to keep his big three for one run, before the cap goes down. But Even if they get Jay Bo signed to a $6 million cap hit that puts them around $53.4 million with six D-men, two goalies and nine forwards signed. They would need to sign four more players just to get to 21. It will be interesting to see if he can balance the books to keep the big three on the backend.
9:28 a.m MST
OILERS TRADE BRODZIAK TO MINNESOTA FOR PICKS.
9:34 a.m MST
Computer crashes...WTF...
9:55 a.m MST
The Oilers dealt Brodziak for the 99th pick and swamped late picks with Minnesota. The Oilers then took Kyle Bigos a 6'5" 230 pound, 20 year-old D-man who played in the BCHL for Vernon.
Brodziak's departure opens the door for Gilbert Brule to slide into his 4th line centre spot. The Oilers wanted Brodziak to be grittier and got tired of waiting it seems.
Then with the 101st pick the Oilers took talented finnish forward Toni Rajala. He was ranked 11th amongst European players. He broke Ovechkin's record at the under 18 championships, when he scored ten goals, and had 19 points in six games. He is small at 5'10" 165 pounds but he loads of skill. He was ranked the 2nd best play maker behind Duchene and third best puck handler behind Duchene and Glennie according to Central Scouting.
10:03 a.m MST
Oil Kings prospect Tomas Vincour goes 129th to the Dallas Stars. They butchered his name, but he could be a sleeper for them. He was rated way higher to start the year, but slipped due to injury. If he can stay healthy he might turn out to be a decent mid round pick.
10:07 a.m MST
The Oilers pick Olivier Roy. The netminder was ranked 2nd amongst north american goalies by central scouting. ISS had him ranked second amongst every goalie in the draft. The crowd gave the pick a huge ovation, since he played in the QMJHL.
10:43 a.m. MST
Just spoke with Ken Holland. He and Rich Winter, Hossa's agent, are talking to see if they can find a cap number that fits into Detroit's plans. Hossa isn't completely out of their plans but he'll have to take a pay cut to stay there. I'd bet he needs something around $5.5 cap hit to fit in.
It's been almost three hours since the Bouwmeester deal to Calgary and the rumours are wide ranging. Some think Phaneuf is gone for sure, while others think Sutter wants to make one great run, and then when the cap goes down next year he will move one or two big tickets. Early speculation is that Jay Bo will sign a long term deal to get a lower cap hit, some where around $6.3 to $6.7.
10:51 a.m MST
The Flames just traded Jim Vandermeer to the Coyotes for Brandon Prust. That opens a spot on the backend and brings in another NHL forward. That just saved them 1.75 in cap space. Vandermeer was making $2.3 while Prust is a .525 cap hit.
10:58 a.m MST
The seventh round is under way. There are 25 picks left and it is painful to watch the handful of kids that are still sitting in the stands waiting for their name to be called. I have no idea what parents are thinking when they agree to let their son come here, unless he is rated in the top 60. Those guys do drop, but normally not all the way out of the draft. If you son is rated in the 4th or 5th round, don't bring him.
You can see the frustration, sadness and humiliation in their body with ever pick that passes them by.
There is no need for them to be here and I think it is on the shoulder of the parents and agents to convince them not to come. Some might be motivated by it, but many never recover from not getting the call.
11:15 a.m MST
The Oilers just traded their 7th pick for a pick next year.
Many have asked how many contracts the Oilers have now that Brodziak has been traded.
Starting July 1st they will have 33 contracts, but I'd expect Hrabel to go back to Europe, or they buy him out and they will be down to 32. Three of those include Eberle, Plante and Kytnar, so if they go back to junior they don't count. I'd guess Plante might go to the minors so lets say they are at 30.
The Oilers will add Smid, Grebeshkov and Brule for sure so that puts them at 33. They have room to move, but moving Brodziak was for a few reasons. They had too many forwards under contract, and they like Brule's grit better.
11:20 a.m. MST
The Nashville Predators use the first time out of the day...ohhh...and after the break they choose Cameron Reid from Westside in the BCHL....we"ll see if that time out pans out in a few years. Remember the name Cameron Reid, that timeout might have been the best 30 seconds the Predators took...or maybe not.
11:45 a.m. MST
Tambellini talks about Brodziak trade
"We do need to change our line up a bit. We have too many bodies at forward. We are willing to give some people a chance that haven't had a chance before."
Is Brule that guy?
"He'll get a very good look this year, there is no question about it. But I'm not sure if that's exactly what's going to happen with that position."
How aggressive do you expect to be on July 1st and what areas do you need to upgrade?
"I think most teams, regardless of what they are looking for will be aggressive. A lot of the times it is first what you have to MOVE in order to bring something in. And that's very difficult right now and that's why there is a lot of hesitation in the market. There are great players out there, but it is difficult at times to move contracts. I think that aggressiveness will depend on what happens prior to July 1st."
Do you feel pressure to keep pace with the Flames after they added Bouwmeester?
"Every day you try to make your own team better, you can't control what other teams do. They're in a different situation than we are with our roster. We are a little bit younger than they are, but they have a good hockey club and we know that, but I have to do what is best for our team."
Tambellini made it clear that some people will get a bigger chance this season. Brule and Pouliot will be the two that battle for Brodziak's opening, they also want to give Jacques a legit shot on the wing. He also hinted that he'll make another move before July 1st to free up some space and a body. They still have too many forwards, so don't be surprised to see another one moved soon.
12:04 p.m. MST
That wraps up the 2009 Draft and the first OILERSNATION live blog from the draft. It was a great experience and I'm looking forward to hitting the town this afternoon. Thanks again to all of your donations and for following the blog from Montreal. Next year's location hasn't been announced yet, but we'll be there and we will find a way to make it even better.
Now we can turn our focus towards free agency.
@ Jason Gregor: Thank you Jason for your hard work I thoroughly enjoyed the coverage and hope it happens next year as well. Cheers!
SLURVE wrote:
What if he did and then didn't sign? Then everyone would be ripping him for wasting an asset on a FA.
Harumphs all around for Gregor! Harumph Harumph!
@ Ogden Brother: Man, you got to give it a shot. Jay B is a native of Edmonton and has just built a house here (of all places)... He has been plying a miserable trade in Florida-not much passionate fans and definitely not a hockey town that he was born in. Jay B. must be dying to go anywhere esp to his hometown with a slight hint of a built house. Tambo should have sniffed out the favorable intangibles and put the pieces together and GO FOR IT.
I once again heard on Sportsnet last night that Bouwmeester is building a house in Calgary. So which is it people? I heard an interview with him on The Fan960, and it didn't sound real promising, but then again Jay isn't much of talker.
I'm guessing the Flames get it done, but it could be July 1st or 2nd by the time he signs. Obviously Duane Sutter has a bit of a relationship with him from his Florida days, but I've also heard Jay's pretty tight with Jamie McLennan too. Gopefullu, they GET IT DONE!
@ bingofuel: Nice to see all that nonsense removed from the face of the Earth.
RossCreek wrote:
WTF!? H-o-p-e-f-u-l-l-y. Hopefully. *maybe I should wipe the sleep from my eyes before I try typing*
This might not have much to do with this article but I've been wanting to ask this for a while. The most glaring needs for the Oil are a first line C and LW. Why does no one ever speak about going after the Sedins. I know as Oilers fan we hate them but you can't knock their abilities. The one thing they have always been missing is a true RW which we have in Hemsky. All 3 of those players get an easy 80 points each if they are on the same line.
I know the answer for the most part is the salary cap but lets be honest. Any GM worth his salt will make the deal and then figure out a way to make it work. (see JayBo in Calgary)
Excellent observations and you have a great way of expressing things. Thanks for this.
RossCreek wrote:
Must be both RC - Matheson referred to J-Bo's summer home in Edmonton again today (second story down). http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Oilers+have+room+chase+Hossa/1741473/story.html
@ RossCreek:
sportsnet also had pronger dealt to LA...
unless you hear it from j-bow himself or the guy building the house, it is nothing more than speculation.
plus,wait for it, is it not possible the guy is building 2 houses? maybe one will go to his folks?
10s of millions of dollars= more than 1 or 2 houses
Just calgary traded for jayb, doesn't mean that we should have traded for him. If any other team would have traded for his rights, then some oiler fans would have been okay with it, just cause calgary did it some oilers fans want jaybo, who cares our defense is good right know we don't need jay, we need a top line player before we need more defense. So i'm okay with not trading for his rights.
myteammytown wrote:
That was The Score, not Sportsnet. It was Nick Kypreos that said it. For what its worth, the ~mastermind~ Eklund says the deal is "done with a 6.3 cap hit". Ya... I'll believe it when I hear it from a reputable source.
Also from the ~mastermind~ Eklund, "the Oilers are involved in a big deal. I was told that the Oilers are considering getting in on Lecavalier and/or Spezza. Not Heatley." And the Wild are hard after Lecavalier or Heatley. His stuff is "entertaining". Guess, we'll see.
@ RossCreek:
sportsnet was reporting it as well
and
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Oilers+have+room+chase+Hossa/1741473/story.html
@ RossCreek:
it was on sportsnet as well.
and look at mathesons article in the journal today. i tried to post the link but it gets stuck in the being moderated crap.
j-bow is building a house in edmonton, only to live in during the summer
I would hope that Tamballini does make some moves in the next week,weather it is signing a top free agent,and getting rid of some deadwood here in Oiler land or was the trade of Brodziak the root of all our problems?You have to give Sutter credit for signing Jay Bo but they will certainly have to trade some players as they are at the cap maximum.
@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Yeah, but Aucoin's 4 mill is off the books, and with the Vandermeer trade that shaves another 1.75 Thats 5.25 mill that Cal has saved from last year for those doing the math at home. That means if Cal sheds another .5-1 mill, there is your space right there. God I hate Daryl Sutter so much right now.
With less than a week to meet free agency i cant see why Jay Bo would sign with Calgary. I mean, he might decide Calgary is the place to be anyway, but why not wait until Wednesday or Thursday to make a decision? If the Flames could do it their defense would be quite formidable.
now if only they could do something about Kipper's decline...
Funny how people think Brodziak was one of our best yet all he brought was a highend draft pick. Tells you how valuable our players are to other teams right now. Give Tamby time folks. Sutter is on death watch right now he needs to make a blockbuster
West Coast Oil wrote:
Who thought that?
@ Kingsblade Read some of the blogs out there.Everyone seems to hate the trade. If you read David Staples blog he pretty much sums up all the bad about Brodziak and then states he doesn't like the trade! Brodziak was no GlenX meaning he didn't bring any specific spark to his line. Stortini improved all season but Brodziak really didn't and that really tells you something.
Scott Pattison at HockeyBuzz.com reports that two of his sources, (one of them with the club) say that the Oilers are in the mix for "two players", and are "campaigning hard" to land them...
We can all speculate as to who these "two players" might be... Based on need, and the Brodziak trade; I'm fairly sure at least one of them HAS to be a center.
Any thoughts?
Chris wrote:
Better be a solid two way vet or next year will be a disaster.
Chris wrote:
I wouldn't believe anything that hockey buzz has to report.
Hockey buzz should change there name to hockey bulls_it There is a website that says Eklunds hockey rumors have been right 3% the last 2 years.He even reported today that Jay Bo signed in Calgary as usuall It is all fabricated in his small head this guy should do every one a favor and just go away.
Chris wrote:
how about spezza AND heatley? now that would be a blockbuster!
Hey Jason i listened and watched the draft like every other die hard oilers fan and i also did some reading up on the players being drafted but i just have a question. Understandably the oil tried to trade up to draft John Moore an extremely mobile d man with good size and skill. My question is why didn't they try that hard to trade up for Carter Ashton? Nothing against Mr Moore but American boys really haven't done that great here. This organzation is trying to build up it's farm and they pass on a 6'3 200 pound western Canadian kid who was picked 29th. His skating and offensive creativity have improved and he is a goal scorer. The knock on him is the use of his size physically and compete level. Don't label a 18 year old kid that easily. I feel that the bolts got a real steal with this kid and i will be following his career close. He may not turn out as well as i think he can but you never know. Look at my favorite player in Mike Richards. The oilers could have easily drafted him but missed out by taking BOOliot while the flyers have their captain for years to come, and they also had drafted Jeff Carter earlier. Sometimes i hate being an oilers fan.
Copperflyer wrote:
Why would we draft someone that got drafted number 29 when we got the guy we wanted at 10. we wanted magnuss and i think if he was already drafted then the other players would have come into play.
Holy crapola, I'm jonesing for a new ON blog.
Anybody? anybody? Buehler? Bueler?
@ Chris:
you had me up until hockeybuzz.
dont waste your time with that sh**
myteammytown wrote:
C'mon, Eklund reported yesterday that JayBo signed. As we have seen from his past predictions, this is great news for the other 29 teams.
Chester Copperpot wrote:
i hear ya buddy. not used to waiting days for something new.
maybe they are sooooo busy listening to all the deals going on, that there simply isnt time to write yet :)
*fingers,toes and eyes crossed*
Holy crapola, I’m jonesing for a new ON blog.
http://www.oilersnation.com/2009/06/live-blogday-two-nhl-draft/#comments#ixzz0JpS08gCT&D Yup...I hear ya. Never thought I'd check a website (well, other than facebook...sigh, I'm such a loser), multiple times a day...Hurry up and get something on here new to read!
Since there's no other posts to complain on yet, Terry Jones called Phaneuf a 'future hall of famer' in his JayBo article this morning. He also called Iggy a future hall of famer, which makes a lot more sense, but WTF, how does he still get paid to write?
@ West Coast Oil:
Overvalue Brodz? No. Just that after Horcup, no one could be counted on for faceoffs. This reminds me of Reasoner leaving. No one cared at first, then everyone wanted him back. The Oil did NOTHING to address the problem. Time will tell, but if Brodz was given better players around him, who knows what may have developed. Look who Nilsson and Mccluck got to play with, and they stunk even then. If this is the best Tambo can get for Brodz, we may as well cut some of the deadwood loose and save the embarrassment.
heavyd wrote:
I'm talking about trading up after the oilers got Magnus. they were willing to trade up to get Moore. Why wouldn't they trade up to get Carter. Holy crap actually read and understnad what i'm saying b4 replying. Dahhhhh