Vinny for Schneider/Edler - Wudja?

Cam Davie
May 27 2009 11:43AM

Lecavalier Canucks

There's a hot rumour floating around that Vancouver and Tampa Bay are talking trade involving Vincent Lecavalier. In fact, the juicy bit of that rumour is that Vancouver is a LEADING candidate to land Vinny this off-season.

Now I have read a few different packages on what Vancouver would have to offer to get Lecavalier. But the two main ones I have seen include either Schneider and Edler or Schneider and Bieksa. I think the Schneider/Edler package has a bit more legs, and it seems more folks are talking about that bundle.

Now I will assume that there are other components, such as draft picks and potentially some other minor bits to this trade.

But let's look at this trade for the Canucks - does it offer any real value right now?

First of all, Vancouver fans around the world would go mental if the Canucks landed Lecavalier. Literally, the whole town and the outlying suburbs would have to be committed.

But it offers some huge challenges for Canucks management to overcome.

1. You HAVE to lock up Luongo. There is no arguing this. If you are going to trade away your "goalie of the future", then you need to lock up your "goalie of the present" for a while.

2. The Canucks were already in need of one top 4 defenseman. Now they will need to get two. How do you afford to have Vinny at 7.7m, Luongo at 6.75m, re-sign the Sedins AND go and get two top 4 defenseman. To me that seems like an impossible feat.

There is ONLY one way to solve that problem. The solution is to offer Luongo and the Sedins long-term contracts. These contracts would probably have to be a minimum of 8 years and would likely have to average out to $5m per player.

Even if they do that, that would put the Canucks salary for 2009-10 at approximately $50m for only 14 players. In other words, the Canucks could not have the Vinny, Luongo and the Sedins on the same time.

So the bigger question is: would you rather have: the Sedins or Vincent Lecavalier?

The answer to that question in a salary cap world is simple: the Sedins. Daniel and Henrik offer more value for the dollar than Vinny. Let's compare Vinny to the Sedins in the past four seasons. In that time, the Sedins have combined to miss exactly ONE regular season game. They are eerily consistent. Now, Vinny has only missed 8 games in that same time, but he's only one player. In the past four seasons, Henrik is +58, Daniel is +56. Vinny is -24.

In fact, in their careers, Daniel is +80 and Henrik is +97, both playing 8 full seasons. For both of them, their ONLY season where they were below 0 in +/- was their rookie season. Vincent Lecavalier is a career -89 over 10 NHL seasons, and has only has 3 seasons where his +/- was above 0 (+2, +4, +23, the year TBY won the Stanley Cup).  So that is a combined 14 seasons of + hockey from the Sedins, and only three from Vinny.

I realise that I am only looking at one stat, but it's hard to compare other stats here, because you are comparing one player versus two. But just to compare Henrik to Vinny, in the last four seasons, Henrik has had more assists than Vinny every year, and has had the same or more points than Vinny in two of the past four years.

So right now, unless Gillis can work some serious black magic and voodoo those contracts down to size, I'm taking the Sedins over Vinny.

How about you?

Go Canucks!

-Cam Davie

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#1 Vinny for Schneider/Edler – Wudja? « Nucks Hub
May 27 2009, 11:49AM
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#2 DaveS
May 27 2009, 11:57AM
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I think you asking the wrong question. If the Sedins want 6 mill each as rumored, that's 12 million against your cap. So the questions should be would you rather have the 12 million $$ Sedin sisters or Vinny at 7 mill and a Player of your choice at 5 mill. You can get a pretty damn good player for a 5 mill cap hit (or even two solid players at a combined 5 mill cap hit).

I find a lot of Canucks fans are failing to grasp this idea. It is very hard for a GM to justify 12 million of his cap to only two players, whom can not, not play together in all situations.

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#3 Argle Bargle
May 27 2009, 12:38PM
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Have the Sedins stated outright that they have to play on the same team, same line?

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#4 Cam Davie
May 27 2009, 01:25PM
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@ DaveS: I ABSOLUTELY guarantee that Gillis will not sign the Sedins such that their cap hit is $6m per season. I think Gillis will sign the Sedins for a longer term contract. They're young, hitting their prime, model citizens for the club and the city, and have both expressed their desire to stay. All those things point to Gillis signing D&H for a long term. I believe that the Sedins will be offered a front-loaded contract for around 8 yrs $40m each.

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#5 Cam Davie
May 27 2009, 01:27PM
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Argle Bargle wrote:

Have the Sedins stated outright that they have to play on the same team, same line?

No not directly, but I think its just a widely understood "fact" about them. I would be utterly shocked if they ever played apart.

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#6 Sedinz
May 28 2009, 12:58AM
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Where did you read this rumor?? Pitch the Sedins at 6 mm for heavens sakes!!

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#7 RossCreek
May 28 2009, 08:32AM
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DaveS has it right. The Sedins or Vinny+ (Cammalleri?).

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#8 juandefuqo
May 28 2009, 05:54PM
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n- please. lecavalier for a couple of prospects? what are you folks smoking out there? i know they are hurting for cash in tampa but they aren't completely retarded.

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#9 Jim G.
May 31 2009, 09:12PM
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The Sedins won't be 6 Million a piece they will be around 4.6 with a 10 year contract for each at 46 Million. It's a Detroit RedWing special contract that pays them 36 M for the first 6 years so you spread out the hit to the cap. Vinny is around 8 per year he ain't coming to Vancouver.

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