Do You See What I See, volume II

Jason Gregor
May 21 2009 08:00AM

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Yes it is still relatively quiet around Hockeytown up here in Canada, but there is lots going on in hockey and the sports world.

>> A source close to the Oilers revealed to me that the Oilers have interviewed five coaches: Pat Quinn, Marc Crawford, Todd Richards, Rob Daum and Tom Renney. I still see Daum as the head man in Springfield next year, so I wonder if his interview was for the Oilers’ job or more of a “See where his head is at” type of conversation. Now that Geoff Ward’s Bruins are out expect him to get an interview soon, and Scott Arniel will get one when his Moose are done in the AHL playoffs. I wasn’t able to get confirmation whether or not the Devils will let Brent Sutter interview for the job.

>> Last year I was told by a few different scouts that the Springfield blueline was one of the worst they’d ever seen in over 20 years of covering the AHL. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. The Oilers are well aware of this blatant weakness and will address it over the summer. The signing of Johan Motin is a decent first step. Motin signed a three-year deal for a cap hit of $637,500.00. Motin won’t bring a lot of offence but reports are he is a decent first passer and a solid stay-at-home guy. Don’t expect to see him in Edmonton next year, but if he progresses the way they expect him to he might play a few games in 2010/2011.

>> I think Ovechkin is the best player in the game. He scores, hits, brings raw emotion and most of all he is the most entertaining. But Sidney Crosby’s performance in the playoff’s has put him right back in the conversation. Crosby is a better playmaker, and is just as competitive if not more.

The area he lacks, and this has nothing to do with greatness, but is hugely important from an entertainment aspect. Ovechkin is way more marketable and gives fans a glimpse of who he is. Crosby never seems happy. He rarely smiles or jokes during an interview or even in the game. Crosby’s personality makes him hard to like. He is great, but needs to show that he enjoys the game a bit more.

Lebron James’s persona is larger than life. Casual fans are attracted to that. Peyton Manning’s acting made him more acceptable in many fan’s eyes. Crosby needs to relax and let his guard down now and then. He is well on his way to being considered one of the all-time greats, but he needs to become more personable. More importantly the league needs it. If hockey wants to keep growing in the States, even at a turtle’s pace, they need their best players to be just as exciting off the ice as they are on the ice.

>> Say What? On Tuesday I had PJ Stock on my show, and he threw out this comment, “I don’t think Crosby is in the top-five best players in the game right now.” I know that guys like to be controversial at times, but there is no way Crosby isn’t a top-five player in today’s game. No way.

>> Say What Part II? Also on Tuesday, Bill Watters said this about Erik Cole, “He’s a perfect playoff type player. Hard and gritty.” I have no idea how people see Cole as this great playoff player. He has a whopping three assists in 15 games this year, and now has a sub-par six goals and 12 points in 40 career playoff games. How is that the perfect playoff performer?

Which begs the question, Is Wanye related to Bill Watters? Because they both are drinking the Cole-Aid.

>> The last year there wasn’t at least one player with two OT goals in the playoff was in 1999/2000 when there was a paltry nine OT games the entire playoffs. This year there has been 14 OT games, but no one has lit the lamp twice so far.

>> Does the winning goaltender of the Eastern conference final become the 3rd goalie for Canada at the 2010 Olympics? Cam Ward and Marc-Andre Fleury will both be making their 2nd Stanley Cup final if they win.

>> The teams with the least wiggle room under the cap heading into the summer are:

  • Philly is committed to 19 players at $53.9 million. (although if Rathje can’t play then they have 18 at $50.4 million.)
  • Detroit is committed to 16 players at $51.2 million.
  • Ottawa has 20 players at $50.9 million.
  • Pittsburgh has 14 players at $46.8 million.
  • Boston has 14 players at $46.7 million.
  • Washington has 14 players at $45.9 million.
  • San Jose has 13 players at $46.7 million.
  • Edmonton has 18 players at $46.9 million.
  • Calgary has 15 players at $46.8 million.
  • Buffalo has 15 players at $45.5 million.
  • The Rangers have 11 guys at $42.8 million.

>> If the Wings sign Hossa like many assume they will, and they get him for a $6 million cap hit, that puts them at the limit. Not only will they lose Mikael Samuelsson and Tomas Kocepky to free agency, they will have to sign and trade Jiri Hudler and probably one of their top four D-men. Brad Stuart will be the most likely to move.

Although maybe someone is willing to take Brian Rafalski and his $6 million ticket. This will be the first summer that Ken Holland will have to part with players he’d rather keep.

>> Some “character” free agents that should interest the Oilers, and any team that needs grit, and wouldn’t cost much include Dan Hinote, Rick Rypien, Travis Moen, Chris Neil, Scott Nichol and Ian Laperriere.

>> Players who should take a pay cut: Brian Gionta. Since his 48 goal season he has followed with 25, 22 and 20 goal seasons. He made $4 million last year, so I can’t see the Devils or anyone offering him that money again.

Alex Tangauy: Will someone pay him $5.25 million again? What about Saku Koivu at $4.75 million or Kovalev at $4.5 million. I can’t see how anyone signs them for that money. Erik Cole will take a home town discount from Carolina and will probably get les than the $4 million he made. Martin Havlat will be sought after, but I don’t see someone giving him $6 million again, but he’ll get something close.

>> And it looks like one of the best to ever play will hang them up this summer. Andy Lindahl from KOA radio in Denver said this yesterday on Just A Game on the TEAM 1260, “It sounds like Joe will retire once the Stanley Cup is awarded. He doesn’t want to take any of the hype away from the playoffs.” For my money Sakic is a first ballot hall-of-famer, and one of the classiest guys to ever play. He will be missed.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#1 Archaeologuy
May 21 2009, 08:23AM
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I think I understand Crosby not letting people see who he really is. The guy has been in the spotlight since before he was 14. There has to be a lot of pressure not to act out when youre under scrutiny like that. He scored some real hot dog goals along his whole career. If he jumped around all exstatic like Ovechkin he would have been ripped to shreds in the public. Now that he's in the NHL it would be more acceptable, but how much of that pressure to act older than his actual age is ingrained into his psyche. And PJ Stock is crazy, How can Crosby not be in the top 2, nevermind the top 5?

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#2 Ogden Brother
May 21 2009, 08:45AM
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Funny part is you still hear people with the "MacT sucked the offense out of Cole" nonsense.

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#3 smytty777
May 21 2009, 09:06AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

And PJ Stock is crazy

PJ Stock retired due to numerous serious concussions... wear a helmet kids or you could wind up like that too.

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#4 Chaz
May 21 2009, 09:09AM
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I concur about Burnaby Joe. My favorite non-Oiler of all time. What a class act. Too bad about the Snow Blower mishap. If anyone deserved a farewell tour for his final few games it was Joe.

I can't say I agree with the 'Crosby needs more personality' angle. Just because Ovie is a class clown, doesn't mean Sid has to be. Ovie is Ovie, and Sid is Sid. Stoicism and humbleness are great attributes and his play on its own is good enough to sell the game. If viewers need their athletes to be 'Personalities' then they should watch WWE.

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#5 Mikey
May 21 2009, 09:09AM
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@ Archaeologuy: He doesn't need to jump around after he scores but Gregor has a point there. He doesn't need to be scared to smile and crack a joke and make it look like he might actually be enjoying himself at times.

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#6 Souby
May 21 2009, 09:12AM
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I am puzzled too by the high value that people place on Cole as a playoff performer. He obviously has grit to his game, but he only has 3 points to show for his efforts. I am not discounting the need for gritty, physical players to win in the playoffs. I just don't see how guys are so high on Cole.

A guy I like that fits the gritty role is Dustin Byfuglien. He has 3 goals (8 pts) and is a beast to handle in front of the net at 6'3", 247lbs. I would love to see this guy in an Oiler uniform someday.

Lastly, I agree with Gregor. Sakic is a class-act, a future hall of famer and he will be missed. I was never a Nordique/Avalanche fan, but how could you not cheer for a guy like Joe?

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#7 HockeyFan
May 21 2009, 09:13AM
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In theory, Erik Cole is a perfect playoff type player.

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#8 Mikey
May 21 2009, 09:15AM
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@ Chaz: Syd's robotic personality when being interviewed and speaking to the media is a complete turn off for me and I am a fan of his. So just imagine what his "personality" or lack there of does for fringe fans below the border when they see arguably the games top star boring everyone to death when he answers questions. He doesn't need to be a clown you are right, but he could open up a little more.

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#9 Archaeologuy
May 21 2009, 09:17AM
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@ Mikey: It's not as if he's out there like an emotionless hockey-bot. He's pumping his fist and hugging his teammates. Crosby isnt like Ivan Drago in Rocky 4 (the greatest Rocky movie ever). Ok, i agree he doesnt smile, but maybe he isnt allowed to bring girls over to Mario's house. I wouldnt be smiling either if I was a millionaire superstar who couldnt close the deal because my boss made me baby-sit his kids every day. That's my best guess as to why he doesnt smile. But he doesnt owe anybody a smile just because he's good.

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#10 Mikey
May 21 2009, 09:20AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

It’s not as if he’s out there like an emotionless hockey-bot

Not on the ice he isn't but after the game in the scrums he sure as hell is. I know he doesn't owe anyone a smile but wouldn't it be easier on him just to drop his guard and show his true colors? Or then again, maybe he has no personality?

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#11 Mikey
May 21 2009, 09:26AM
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Mikey wrote:

in the MEDIA scrums he sure as hell is

fixed.

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#12 BUCK75
May 21 2009, 09:26AM
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Maybe Sid is afraid to sound like Tiger Woods - zero sense of humour...

"Can I actually be Ranger Rick out there on the Golf Course?"

I agree with Archaeologuy - the guy has been under the spotlight forever, he probably has burn out from giving interviews. He needs to loosen up, maybe Ovie can take him to a strip club & get him a few dances.

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#13 Archaeologuy
May 21 2009, 09:28AM
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@ Mikey: Yeah he doesnt give a good interview at all. At least he isnt as bad as Phaneuf. Maybe he doesnt have a personality, i dont know. My money still says that he just keeps that stuff seperate from the public eye. Its not like he is the 1st hockey player to give a bad interview. I dont know if all the time spent with their heads being squeezed into helmets kills the interview function of the brain but hockey players on the whole are uninteresting and bland interviewees. At least while theyre playing (which makes my helmet theory more plausible).

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#14 Chaz
May 21 2009, 09:29AM
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@ Mikey: Maybe, but how does one change their personality in their 20's? He's just a serious, intense kind of guy, and I don't think people should expect him to change. It would be phoney if he did.

Hockey interviews are boring to begin with, but I'd prefer that to having to listen to egomaniacs a la the NFL. Give me a boring Crosby interview over TO any day!

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#15 Mikey
May 21 2009, 09:37AM
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Chaz wrote:

He’s just a serious, intense kind of guy, and I don’t think people should expect him to change.

It's not that I expect him to change but it seems like the guard he has had to have for most of his life doesn't need to be there anymore. Maybe I just want him to be more interesting. Either way he is a helluva player and I love PJ Stock but he needs to give his head a shake.

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#16 Ducey
May 21 2009, 09:40AM
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Nice post Gregor.

Bill Watters has no credibility. He is the backup to the backup "expert" they throw on the now obligatory panel. His chief qualifications are that 1)he once screwed up the Leaves and 2)he is available in the centre of the universe on short notice.

Not sure how Motin is going to help the AHL squad. Their biggest problem was having too many prospects and not enough journeymen. Motin won't be able to replace Peckham - if he makes the jump. They will need a couple of older guys back there - leaving them less room for Motin, Chorney and Wild. If they sign Plante, someone is going to the ECHL.

Glad to see the cap will begin to pinch some of the big spenders. It will only lead to more parity.

Not sure I agree on Crosby. He is marketed to death already. I don't see Manning joking around on the sidelines or giving great interviews. Gretzky wasn't Mr Fun most of the time. Nor was Mario. Stevie Y could of been mute and we would not have known. If Crosby does his talking on the ice, he will be fine.

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#17 J-Bird
May 21 2009, 09:57AM
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How the heck is Cole even worth $3 million per next season? He's on the decline big time. Point to Gionta all you want, he's out producing Cole and people are saying he's gonna get "about the same" $4 million. Come on!

As for Sid. Great player. But as somebody mentioned, Tiger Woods is a great player too. But they have no opinion on any subject, are grumps, too guarded, and don't let the fans in. Whiners. I get why they aren't liked. Sid needs to let fans in. He's not believable in any way. If vanilla was a flavour, Sid would be the vanilla of the vanilla flavour. Boring, boring, boring.

Plus the media drives everybody nuts with the hype all the time. It would be different if Sid was head and shoulders above everybody else a la Mario and Gretz. But it's arguable that he isn't the best in the game, and that's a huge difference. Media, shuddap already!

It's a different world in which we live today. You can't avoid the media a la Yzerman, Mario, etc., and expect to have the attention of the sports world. Too much competition these days. OV is the first to put hockey on the highlights in the US which doesn't involve a Todd Bertuzzi like attack, or any other negative part of the game.

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#18 Ogden Brother
May 21 2009, 10:00AM
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The Crosby complaint is a real sign of the times. If he was playing in the 80's, he'd be considerd a perfect role model and a great ambasoder for the game. Today were all about flash and attitude, so guys like him stand out in a negative way.

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#19 Mikey
May 21 2009, 10:06AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Today were all about flash and attitude,

It's not about being flashy and putting on a "persona". It's just it seems that he never changes how he feels on any subject and his demeanor is always the same. It looks fake to be honest and it makes it hard for me to take him seriously. Of course I am not talking about his on-ice performance. That speaks for itself.

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#20 airdawg
May 21 2009, 10:21AM
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Crosby is definitely in the top five there is no doubt but I just can't get to liking the guy. I see him in the Horton's commercial skating with the kids yet Bettman had to twist his arm to get him to attend the All-Star game. The guy took his visor off for a shift earlier this year to fight Marc Savard. Seriously. The guy talks more to the ref than the linesman. I still do respect his talent and I love to watch him when things are going well for the Pens but if they are losing and Crosby is playing under par, he is difficult to watch. On another note, trade Hemsky. He's the next Petr Klima.

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#21 Archaeologuy
May 21 2009, 10:28AM
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airdawg wrote:

On another note, trade Hemsky. He’s the next Petr Klima.

? Yeah, we dont need the best player on the team. Who cares if he can produce points consistently even if his teammates are completely inept. What a waste of Cap space.

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#22 J-Bird
May 21 2009, 10:40AM
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Mikey wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: It looks fake

That's exactly it.

It's like Crash Davis talking to "Nuke" in Bull Durham. Cliche after cliche. That's Sid's way of doing it, and why some people can't stand him. OV never gives the cliche answers.

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#23 J-Bird
May 21 2009, 10:46AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

The Crosby complaint is a real sign of the times. If he was playing in the 80’s, he’d be considerd a perfect role model and a great ambasoder for the game. Today were all about flash and attitude, so guys like him stand out in a negative way.

The 80's is a long time ago. No internet. No none stop sports channels. No none stop news. The perception that sports stars are "role models". It was a different time. It's almost 2010. 1984 was 25 years ago folks. Ya, I know! A guy is getting old too fast. ;)

What drew fans to the "Boys on the Bus"? Books like Ken Dryden's "The Game"? It was the inside look of what things REALLY look like. That captivates people. That's what the fan wants.

Crosby's stuck in a different era. While it won't get him in "trouble", it won't draw people to him either.

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#24 Quinn
May 21 2009, 10:49AM
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airdawg wrote:

On another note, trade Hemsky. He’s the next Petr Klima.

Yeahhhhh, ummm, that makes total sense. And then the Caps should trade Ovechkin to Russia and the Wings send Lidstrom to the AHL.

Give your head a shake, dude.

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#25 airdawg
May 21 2009, 10:50AM
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@ Archaeologuy: we will see...he couldn't win MVP on the Oilers though...but he has the talent in the world...he will be a point per game player...he will become a point per game player...he will become a point per game player...he will b...let me pick up the needle.

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#26 Archaeologuy
May 21 2009, 10:59AM
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@ airdawg: Why are you using the future tense? "he WILL become a point per game player"

For the last 4 seasons he has been right up against a point per game. 0.95, 0.83, 0.96, 0.92 His worst numbers in the last 4 years came in the year he was the most injured. You can argue lots of things about him but its pretty hard to deny simple facts like point production.

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#27 Quinn
May 21 2009, 10:59AM
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airdawg wrote:

@ Archaeologuy: we will see…he couldn’t win MVP on the Oilers though…but he has the talent in the world…he will be a point per game player…he will become a point per game player…he will become a point per game player…he will b…let me pick up the needle.

So, you're saying that even though he is the best Oiler by a country mile, because he hasn't met your(?) expectation level, they should trade him? And fill his scoring with who exactly?

I believe Willis has done a nice breakdown of who Hemsky compares to at age 25 and if he stays on his same progression level (in keeping with those other names) the Oil have a franchise player at a bargain price.

Trading him would be just dumb and set the team back 5 years.

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#28 Reggie
May 21 2009, 11:03AM
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@ smytty777: What do you expect from PJ Stock ? He can't even read the correct scores in his updates.

I have no idea how he got the job on CBC, but someone must have pulled in a huge favour.

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#29 J-Bird
May 21 2009, 11:05AM
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Only 2 players have outscored Hemsky from his draft class, Spezza and Kovalchuk. Nice company to have.

Like Spezza and Kovalchuk though, Hemsky doesn't know his end of the ice from a hole in the ground. For him to take it to the next level, he's gotta back check, got to at the very least try a little bit in his own end. The stars, the Crosby's, the Zetterburg's, the Datsyk's, the Getzlaf's, they do both.

Until Hemmer puts up 60+ goals like OV, he's gotta play a little bit of a 2 way game.

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#30 airdawg
May 21 2009, 11:08AM
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Does anyone have any faith in the other player on this team. I wanna wait for guys like Gagner, Cogliano and O'Sullivan. Hemsky still has value now and I'm not disputing that but HE STILL HAS VALUE. Don't tell me he's the ONLY good contract in the NHL. Take a risk, it's not like we are totally tanked up front. Hemsky wouldn't get the Oil a goalie?

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#31 Quinn
May 21 2009, 11:14AM
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airdawg wrote:

Hemsky wouldn’t get the Oil a goalie?

An offer of $2mill a season to Clemmenson or Anderson (is he signed yet?) would get a goalie. No need to waste a valuable player on an easy to obtain piece. Unless you are thinking elite goalie (ie Luongo) and then, no, Hemmer doesn't get you THAT guy.

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#32 Archaeologuy
May 21 2009, 11:16AM
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airdawg wrote:

it’s not like we are totally tanked up front.

Right. I seem to recall that there were a bevy of Oiler forwards who put up huge numbers last year.

*checks stats sheets again*

After taking a second look it turns out that THE OILERS ARE TOTALLY TANKED UP FRONT. Other than Hemsky there is no Oiler under contract for next season that even reached 20 goals. The next closest forward in points was 13 behind Hemsky. After him it drops another 10 points. But yeah, Oiler forwards are an offensive dynamo.

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#33 airdawg
May 21 2009, 11:19AM
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@ Quinn: Ovechkin is the best player in the world. Lidstrom is a first ballot hall of famer. Hemsky is the most talented player on the Oilers. Something wierd...dude? Alexei Zhamnov was the "most talented player" on the Blackhawks once too.

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#34 airdawg
May 21 2009, 11:24AM
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@ Archaeologuy: Did you ever think that maybe that these players who had bad season played alot with Hemsky 5 on 5 or on the power play. He after all does run the power play. Spezza and Kovalchuk make their mates better. We talk about getting players to make Hemsky better. HMMMMM.

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#35 Ogden Brother
May 21 2009, 11:28AM
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airdawg wrote:

@ Archaeologuy: Did you ever think that maybe that these players who had bad season played alot with Hemsky 5 on 5 or on the power play. He after all does run the power play. Spezza and Kovalchuk make their mates better. We talk about getting players to make Hemsky better. HMMMMM.

Who has Spezza and Kovalchuk made better?

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#36 Reggie
May 21 2009, 11:30AM
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@ J-Bird:

Let's get him over the point per game hump first before you go stifling his offense.

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#37 smytty777
May 21 2009, 11:32AM
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@ Reggie:

I really expect very little from PJ Stock. Remember those anti-drug adds "This is your brain" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_Your_Brain_on_Drugs

PJ Stock should get a gig with the Canadian Safety Counsel advertising helmets. "This is my brain after concussions."

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#38 Archaeologuy
May 21 2009, 11:34AM
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@ airdawg: Right. Alfredson and Heatley were plumbers before Spezza shared his talent with them. Kovalchuk was so good at sharing his talents that when HE played with Hossa he let Hossa score 20 more points than him.

What makes you think Hemsky isnt making those guys look better than they really are?

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#39 Reggie
May 21 2009, 11:38AM
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@ Archaeologuy: And don't tell me that Hemsky wouldn't look better playing with Heatly ? That guy is a pure goal scorer/shooter.

I like Spezza, but the continued knock on him is he needs to raise his compete level and be better defensively.

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#40 airdawg
May 21 2009, 11:39AM
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@ Ogden Brother: Bryan Little had a pretty good season for a second year player and Todd White rebounded. Little-White-Russian line. Remember? But I guest Kozlov-Perrin-Armstrong line kicked in quite a bit, eh. You are seriously gonna tell me Heatley and Alfredsson would have gelled better with Fisher or Vermette. Spezza has had 90 POINT SEASONS! Kovalchuk scores four goals in a game!

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#41 Quinn
May 21 2009, 11:44AM
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airdawg wrote:

That was meant to be sarcasm/irony. My point was the Oil should not trade THEIR best player in the same way that the Caps and Wings shouldn't trade THEIR best players either.

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#42 Mikey
May 21 2009, 11:49AM
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@ Quinn: ~It was tough to see what you meant~

airdawg wrote:

Take a risk,

Some would aruge that is the entire reason the Oilers are in the predicament they are currently in. A fine example of this would be Dustin Penner.

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#43 J-Bird
May 21 2009, 11:51AM
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Reggie wrote:

@ J-Bird: Let’s get him over the point per game hump first before you go stifling his offense.

Stifiling his offense is not my objective. I think he'd get more offense if he'd do something on the defensive side of the game once in a while.

Reggie wrote:

I like Spezza, but the continued knock on him is he needs to raise his compete level and be better defensively.

Contradicting yourself? That sounds exactly like what I'm talking about with Hemsky. I like him, but he could be so much better.

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#44 Ogden Brother
May 21 2009, 11:52AM
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airdawg wrote:

@ Ogden Brother: Bryan Little had a pretty good season for a second year player and Todd White rebounded. Little-White-Russian line. Remember? But I guest Kozlov-Perrin-Armstrong line kicked in quite a bit, eh. You are seriously gonna tell me Heatley and Alfredsson would have gelled better with Fisher or Vermette. Spezza has had 90 POINT SEASONS! Kovalchuk scores four goals in a game!

Heatly and Alffy both put up big points before they played with Spezza.

Here's a game for you to play: Check out the second/third highest point getters on the Caps in AO first year vs the last couple.... pretty clear stat "boosting" is for the most part message board myth.

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#45 airdawg
May 21 2009, 12:01PM
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Penner was a risk out of despiration. Go to a Cup Final and lose Peca, Samsonov, Spacek and "The Human Rake", then have a handful of the replacement players for the season after kiss the sister ie. Lupul, Thoresen, Winchester. We didn't end this season with Toby Petersen on the point. We aren't in that bad of shape compared to a few years ago.

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#46 Archaeologuy
May 21 2009, 12:07PM
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@ airdawg: Ok, 3 seasons in a row of missing the playoffs and this year the team took a step backwards. No Goalie, No scoring forwards OTHER THAN HEMSKY, No coach, Terrible special teams, the worst farm team in the AHL. But yeah, everything is SO GOOD that the Oilers can afford to deal away their best player. It's not as if you even qualified that statement by suggesting someone they could get for him. It was simply that the Oil should trade him.

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#47 airdawg
May 21 2009, 12:13PM
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ask me then...bones

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#48 Reggie
May 21 2009, 12:37PM
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@ J-Bird: The quote was to refute the comment that Spezza is making his linemates better.

Heatly can score with whoever he plays with.

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#49 Mikey
May 21 2009, 12:38PM
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@ airdawg: Do you remember what happened the last time we traded our best player away? Rarely do you win that trade.

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#50 airdawg
May 21 2009, 12:49PM
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TO OILERS TO DEVILS Travis Zajac Ales Hemsky Scott Clemmensen Tom Gilbert

Or TO OILERS TO CANADIENS Jaroslav Halak Ales Hemsky Andrei Kostitsyn Marc-Andre Pouliot

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