Around the League - Nov 26, 2009

Jason Gregor
November 30 2009 09:15AM

***Some technical problems (four days of festivities at the Grey Cup, and misplacing my lap top) caused the delay it getting this posted, but here it is and the stats are all from Thursday, Nov 26 to remain consistent from week-to-week.***

Does the NHL have a double-standard when it comes to suspending players?

Why the hell does anyone even ask this question? Of course it does. So does the NFL, MLB, NBA and every other professional league, not to mention just about every workplace environment.

And the NHL will never change it, nor should they.

Fans want to see the star players; they don’t pay big bucks to see most 3rd and 4th line pluggers, excluding, maybe, the tough guy. The star players will be given the benefit of the doubt more often than not, but how often does it happen?

I am always hearing there is a double-standard, but is it that bad? Is there a long list of star players who have consistently avoided suspensions or been given mostly short-term raps on the knuckles?

The Human Rake, Chris Pronger, has been suspended more times (seven) than any other active player. His longest suspension was four games, and he is one of only three players who have been suspended twice in the same season; Claude Lemieux and Ville Nieminen are the others.

Most of his suspensions have been slashing or high stick infractions, excluding the elbow on Dean McCammond in the playoffs. He plays on the edge, and yes he is dirty, but that is what makes him successful, and I’d bet more fans pay to watch him play than they do a 5th or 6th D-man on his team. But it seems he is one of the few “Stars” who is a repeat offender.

How many other star players are consistently getting away with horrendous infractions?

Do you think Alex Ovechkin is that cheap? I just don’t see lots of star players who are constantly avoiding being suspended.

Here is a list of the longest suspensions in NHL history, courtesy of an article in the Vancouver Province:

  • 30 games — Chris Simon, New York Islanders, Dec. 19, 2007, for slamming his skate into the foot of Pittsburgh Penguins forward Jarkko Ruutu.
  • 25 games — Jesse Boulerice, Philadelphia, Oct. 12, 2007, for cross-checking Vancouver centre Ryan Kesler across the face in a game on Oct. 10.
  • 25 games — Chris Simon, New York Islanders, March 11, 2007, for the rest of the regular season (15 games) and playoffs for his two-handed stick attack to the face of New York Rangers forward Ryan Hollweg. Since Islanders played only five playoff games, suspension extended to first five games of 2007-08.
  • 23 games — Marty McSorley, Boston, Feb. 2000, for knocking out Vancouver's Donald Brashear with a stick-swinging hit. On Nov. 7, 2000, the suspension was extended by NHL commissioner Gary Bettman to Feb. 20, 2001.
  • 23 games — Gordie Dwyer, Tampa Bay, Sept. 19, 2000, for abusing officials and coming out of the penalty box to fight in an exhibition game against Washington.
  • 21 games — Dale Hunter, Washington, May 1993, for a blindside check of Pierre Turgeon of the N.Y. Islanders after a goal in a playoff game.
  • 20 games — Steve Downie, Philadelphia, Sept. 28, 2007, for leaving his feet to deliver a deliberate hit to the head Ottawa forward Dean McAmmond in a pre-season game Sept. 25.
  • 20 games — Todd Bertuzzi, Vancouver, March 11, 2004, for his sucker-punch of Colorado forward Steve Moore on March 8. Bertuzzi's suspension was for 13 regular season games, plus playoffs. Bertuzzi was reinstated 17 months later, after the year-long lockout.
  • 20 games — Tom Lysiak, Chicago, Oct. 1983, for intentionally tripping a linesman.
  • 20 games — Brad May, Phoenix, Nov. 15, 2000, for hitting Columbus' Steve Heinze on the nose with his stick in a game on Nov. 11.
  • 16 games — Eddie Shore, Boston, 1933, for hitting Toronto's Ace Bailey over the head with his stick.
  • 15 games — (3 regular-season, 12 playoff games) Maurice Richard, Montreal, March 1955, for levelling linesman Cliff Thompson during a scuffle with Boston's Hal Laycoe.
  • 15 games — Wilf Paiement, Colorado, Oct. 1978, for swinging his stick and hitting Detroit's Dennis Polonich in the face.
  • 15 games — Dave Brown, Philadelphia, Nov. 1987, for cross-checking Tomas Sandstrom of the New York Rangers across the face and breaking his jaw.
  • 15 games — Tony Granato, Los Angeles, Feb. 1994, for slashing Pittsburgh's Neil Wilkinson.
  • 13 games (30 days) — Ted Green, Boston, Sept. 1969, for his stick-swinging incident with Wayne Maki of St. Louis. Green to serve after he was physically fit to play. Maki also received a 30-day suspension.
  • 13 games — Dave Manson, Chicago, Dec. 1989, after coming back onto the ice to rejoin a fight against Toronto. Manson received three games for diving onto linesman Ron Finn and 10 for coming back onto the ice to rejoin a fight.
  • 13 games — Andre Roy, Tampa Bay, for leaving the penalty box and physically abusing an official while trying to engage players in the New York Rangers penalty box in April, 2002.
  • 12 games — Ron Hextall, Philadelphia, 1989, for attacking Montreal defenceman Chris Chelios in a playoff game.
  • 12 games — David Shaw, N.Y. Rangers, Oct. 1988, for slashing Pittsburgh centre Mario Lemieux.
  • 12 games — Matt Johnson, Los Angeles, Nov. 1998, for punching New York Rangers defenceman Jeff Beukeboom in the head.
  • 12 games — Brantt Myhres, San Jose Sharks, Feb. 1999 for leaving the bench to attack Los Angeles' Mattias Norstrom.

I’m sure you recall most of those and those that were before your time you’ve probably read or heard about. They were all warranted. I understand why the NHL gives the stars, who don’t have a lengthy track record, more leeway than the grinders and pluggers. And I don’t see any reason why it needs to change.

Player need to wake up

Cheap shots and concussions have become the hot topic amongst fans, media and even the players. It is an issue that needs to be looked at, but I think we need to define what is considered a legitimate cheap shot?

When a guy is forechecking at top speed and the D-man turns his back to him at the last second, is that a cheap shot? I have more sympathy for those types of plays than I do compared to what Michael Handzus did to Ales Hemsky on Wednesday.

Hemsky never turned his back at the last moment, nor was this a split second reaction by Handzus. Hemsky had control of the puck for a few seconds and Handzus, deliberately gave him a shot in the numbers that launched Hemsky into the boards. I’ve seen hits that would be considered cheaper, but this type of hit is preventable.

When Hemsky is in that position he trusts the defender not to hit him in the numbers. A play like that happens 50 times a game, and often the puck carrier doesn’t get hit like that.

We can yell and scream all we want that the league needs to change the rules, or enforce the ones they have, but the players are ultimately responsible.

The NHLPA needs to find a leader, and when they do let’s hope the new guy convinces them that they need police themselves, by showing smarts and respect on the ice.

Ice women of the week

The Hawks are one of the most entertaining teams on the ice, and I wonder if it has anything to do with this crew? I bet most of you would like to see if you could last a few rounds with these boxing beauties!

Random thoughts

Why are so many Oiler fans saying this team should tank it and get a lottery pick? Only Anaheim, Toronto, Carolina and Minnesota are worse. The Oilers don’t have to tank it; they are already in the mix for a lottery pick.

Is it just me or has Roberto Luongo been average all season long? The Canucks need him to start playing better if they want make the playoffs. I’ve only watched about ten Canucks games, and I’ve yet to see him steal a game. He hasn’t looked like a guy who many felt would be the starter for Team Canada at the Olympics.

Mike Green has 12 points in his last eight games, and after a slow start he now leads all defensemen in scoring with 25 points. After 31 goals in only 68 games last season, Green only has three this year. Green really wants to make the Olympic team and has tried to be more responsible in his own end, but has he improved enough? I don’t think so, but Green is the best offensive-minded defenseman in the league right now.

James van Riemsdyk has 18 points in 19 games. He is averaging 13:41 of icetime, compared to the 18:42 that John Tavares plays. Tavares only has two more points, and he has played six more games. The 2nd overall pick in 2007 is having a great rookie campaign and it looks like van Riemsdyk made the right decision to play two years in college rather than just one.

Here we sit eight weeks into the season and no coach has been fired yet. Who will be first? Many think Paul Maurice might get the axe if the Hurricanes continue to flounder, but he’s only been behind the bench for 83 games this time around. Would Brian Burke give his American buddy, Ron Wilson, his walking papers? Doubtful.

Pat Quinn isn’t going anywhere. Peter Deboer is in his second season while Todd Richards hasn’t coached 30 games. Randy Carlyle is a hard ass, and some of his players have grown weary of his antics, but his GM, Bob Murray, said players would be moved before Carlyle gets fired. If the Flyers don’t get going soon, John Stevens could be the first coaching casualty. Twenty of the 30 coaches are in their first or second season with their team, so the options are limited, but rarely do we get to Christmas without one coach getting fired.

Leader through the week

Here are the top ten in pts, goals, assists and other stats.

Goals:
Nineteen: Marian Gaborik (four this week)
Eighteen: Dany Heatley
Seventeen: Alex Ovechkin
Sixteen: Jarome Iginla (four this week)
Fifteen: Steven Stamkos and Ryan Malone
Fourteen: Anze Kopitar, Patrick Marleau and Rick Nash
Thirteen: Corey Perry, Dustin Penner, Ilya Kovalchuk, Henrik Sedin and Zach Parise

Assists:
26: Joe Thornton (six this week)
23: Brad Richards (seven this week)
22: Ryan Getzlaf, Tomas Kaberle and Mike Green
Twenty: Martin St. Louis
Nineteen: Nicklas Backstrom, Tomas Plekanec, Nik Antropov and Kopitar
***Antropov scored his first two goals of the season this week to go with 19 assists.

Points:
33: Thornton (seven points this week), Gaborik (six this week) and Kopitar (one)
30: Brad Richards (eight points this week)
29: Heatley and Perry
28: Parise
27: Ovechkin, Marleau and Nash
26: Penner, Stamkos and Getzlaf
***Rick Nash is the only player in the top twenty who is a minus player, sitting at -7***

Plus/Minus:
+18: Matt Carle (leads for second straight week)
+17: Parise
+13: Chris Pronger and Brent Seabrook
+12: Jonathon Toews, Travis Zajac, Duncan Keith and Ryan O’Reilly
+11: Alex Goligoski, Christian Ehrhoff, Pavel Kubina, Ovechkin and Antropov
*** Rod Brind’Amour still leads for the Green Jacket with an atrocious -18. Rick Nash is -11, and along with Kaberle (-3) and St. Louis (-8) are in the top 30 in scoring with a minus rating.***

PP Goals:
Nine: Heatley
Eight: Gaborik
Six: Stamkos, Kovalchuk, Milan Hejduk and Scott Hartnell
Five: Ryan Smyth, Raffi Torres, Andrew Brunette, Teemu Selanne, Loui Eriksson, Brooks Laich, Mike Richard, Rich Peverley and Mike Fisher.
***Interesting to note that half of Heatley’s goals have come on the PP, while Ovechkin’s and Iginla only have four PP goals.***

Hits:
94: Ryan Callahan and Stephane Robidas (Had 28 hits this week. Wow.)
90: Chris Neil
79: Dustin Brown and Matt Greene
78: Scott Nichol
77: Cal Clutterbuck
75: Ryan Malone
74: David Backes, Matt Cooke and Douglas Murray

Shots:
104: Ovechkin (leads for eigth straight week, with two weeks not playing.)
99: Parise
96: Jeff Carter
95: Henrik Zetterberg (19 shots this week)
92: Sidney Crosby
90: Radim Vrbata and Nash
86: Michael Cammalleri
85: Dustin Brown
83: Penner
***Gaborik scored four goals this week on only eight shots***

Final Point

If you've never been to a Grey Cup, I suggest you partake next year. The attitude amongst CFL fans throughout Grey Cup week is awesome. Every one is friendly and just looking for a good time. And if the Alouettes don't win on Sunday they will join the ranks of the Buffalo Bills and Atlanta Braves as choke artists.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#1 Ogden Brother
November 30 2009, 09:24AM
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"Cheap shots and concussions have become the hot topic amongst fans, media and even the players. It is an issue that needs to be looked at, but I think we need to define what is considered a legitimate cheap shot?"

I was thinking about this the other day, if the players (seem to) not care about this, why are we (fans/media) so concerned with it?

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#2 Harlie
November 30 2009, 09:25AM
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No choke for the Als this year. Well, at least on the second attempt they didn't choke. LOLZ at the 13th CHUMP!

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#3 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 30 2009, 09:35AM
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Grey Cup, no freakin way I would go to one that includes the Roughriders, their fans are crazy.

As for the Handzus hit, how many times in a game do we see players doing this? Moreau, Staios and Souray are constantly doing this, it just so happened that this time it was done to us and Hemsky was hurt. If the refs aren't going to call the cross-checks that don't knock someone down, why would players stop doing this?

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#4 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 30 2009, 09:38AM
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@Ogden Brother

I'm not concerned anymore. I really don't even care. I have no idea what a cheapshot is anymore. Really someone could pull a Marty Mcsorley, but if the player that gets hit doesn't get injuired there wouldn't be much of a suspension.

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#5 Ogden Brother
November 30 2009, 09:39AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

I'm not concerned anymore. I really don't even care. I have no idea what a cheapshot is anymore. Really someone could pull a Marty Mcsorley, but if the player that gets hit doesn't get injuired there wouldn't be much of a suspension.

Pretty much.

If the players really wanted it changed, they would:

A: Smarten up on the ice

B: Go to the PA/league and demand tougher displine

They obviously aren't that concerned about it, so the fans really shouldn't be either.

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#6 rubbertrout
November 30 2009, 10:10AM
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Grey Cup was just OK for me. The festivities might have been good but the fact of the matter is that 46,000 people were at a stadium that doesn't even have the facilities to deal with 34,000 (for a sellout). To this mix add the fact that every Rider fan seemed to have a flag or cape (in one case a guy was carrying a marching band bass drum) meant that the whole place was extremely claustrophobic.

It also got pretty quiet towards the end. The Rider fans decided to honour the moment of silence at the end of the game to make up for the fact that many of them were chanting "Go Riders!" during the designated moment of silence at the outset.

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#7 Bar Qu
November 30 2009, 10:31AM
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~You're probably right. Having double standards as far as punishment makes a lot of sense.

Sure helps for the guys cheap-shotting the Oilers to know they are just as likely to get away with it as get caught.

The injuries to the star players have significantly outweighed the possible suspensions to star players. I would think the NHL (and various defenders of the status quo) might realise the gate is driven by people coming to see star players (like Hemsky), not third line goons and dirty players (Handzus and Matt Cooke - who got away with another one this week). Defending things the way they are makes no sense from a league standpoint or even economic one. But at least Milbury agrees with you.

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#8 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 30 2009, 10:35AM
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@Bar Qu

Not sure I consider Handzus a third liner. He is one of their most used forwards as a whole. How many times has Handzus done this? As far as I know he has been a pretty clean player and I have no problem with the NHL giving him the benefit of the doubt this time.

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#9 Next Year Country
November 30 2009, 10:40AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Pretty much.

If the players really wanted it changed, they would:

A: Smarten up on the ice

B: Go to the PA/league and demand tougher displine

They obviously aren't that concerned about it, so the fans really shouldn't be either.

I disagree with the attitude the the players don't care. I am a 19 year season ticket holder and I have seen lots of cheap shots that could have been avoided, including some by Oilers. However, I have also seen lots of guys hold up and not crush a guy who was in a vulnerable position. A case in point was a play last season when Penner had a guy lined up in the corner. He gave him a bump, but didn't bash him head first into the boards. Of course some yahoos called in to the post game show and criticized him. There are mature, responsible guys who play hard and hit hard, but aren't cheap-shot artists, and there are dirty players who have no sense of fair play or remorse for injuring guys. I am disgusted with the league's inaction (e.g. the hits on Penner and Hemsky).

Regarding Hemsky, now we know why he hasn't been up to par this year. My gripe is that he has been the target for cheap hits from behind for years (Regher, Phaneuf, and many others). The league has not addressed this and the Oilers have not protected him. Not withstanding what I said above, I think the response when Hemmer or other Oilers are hit with cheap, dirty hits should be immediate and severe. A couple of punches in a scrum is a joke. Maybe a crosscheck to the neck or a hard elbow in the chops would get the message across that you can't headhunt oilers.

As for the draft, I am getting close to the point of writing off this year, after watching the debacles on Friday and Saturday. The fact that they couldn't hold two leads against the Sharks and gave up a short-handed goal at the end of the game continues to show that they can't seal the deal. If they are still so mediocre by the Olympic break, I hope they make some trades that put will put them in a position for high draft pick(s) in June.

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#10 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 30 2009, 10:44AM
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@Next Year Country

Pretty good points. But if guys like Regher and Phaneuf are targeting star players for years, why aren't we playing like this? The league obviously allows it, so why not play with more of an edge?

Also what did you expect this weekend? I was shocked to see us get a point against SJ, although after watching that game I thought we should've won.

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#11 Milli
November 30 2009, 10:46AM
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On the cheap shot topic, I find myself more and more agreeing with Mike Milbury!!!! I cannot even believe it, but I think he has got some excellent points. If not for his brutal record as GM, I would begin talking about his keen hockey sense. Oh well, he makes for goog TV on saturday nights. The hemsky hit was dirty, but so was Iginla on Souray, that said, I've seen Moreau do the identical thing at least twice since then, it's a fast game, it's gonna happen, but hopefully something changes to limit the season/ carreer ending hits.

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#12 Bar Qu
November 30 2009, 10:51AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Not sure I consider Handzus a third liner. He is one of their most used forwards as a whole. How many times has Handzus done this? As far as I know he has been a pretty clean player and I have no problem with the NHL giving him the benefit of the doubt this time.

Ok, I give you that, but I still feel the league needs to protect its revenue stream by one of two things: a) developing a consistent set of guidelines and consequences that are evenly applied to players regardless of their 'star' status 2) letting the whole 'frontier justice' thing go to its logical conclusion and remove the instigator penalty.

If they choose the second option we are going to eventually see the NHL degenerate into glorified beer league hockey. And there seems to be no impetus for the league steps up and do the right thing for itself in this area (or any other area really). That doesn't mean we as fans need to accept the way things are or even defend them.

I just hate seeing top guys out for plays that can easily be legislated out of the game (the way hooking and holding was).

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#13 Next Year Country
November 30 2009, 10:55AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Pretty good points. But if guys like Regher and Phaneuf are targeting star players for years, why aren't we playing like this? The league obviously allows it, so why not play with more of an edge?

Also what did you expect this weekend? I was shocked to see us get a point against SJ, although after watching that game I thought we should've won.

I like hard hitting hockey, and I would play Phaneuf and Regher by dumping the puck in their corner and hitting them every chance, but I still wouldn't want to intentionally injure a guy with a cheap shot, UNLESS it is in immediate retaliation for them doing it to one of our guys. I am naive enough to believe in fair play, and I wouldn't want this done to a clean player. But, guys who continually try to injure should get a dose of their own medicine. Campbell and the rules enforcement guys are a complete JOKE.

As for the week-end games, I said above that I am naive. I actually thought that they could gut out a win against S. J. Also, blowing those two games against Calgary at the start of the season absolutely drove me crazy.

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#14 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 30 2009, 10:56AM
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@Bar Qu

I really don't know what the answer is. Can you see the NHL suspended its top stars? How about in Atlanta or Long Island where they struggle to get fans, how do suspend their top player for any amount of time?

I don't agree with it and would wish they have some sort of guidelines, but I don't see it ever working.

Still think that until they actually call the penalties on a regular basis that it will be hard to deal with suspensions. And I don't think having Mr.Magoo as the leader is a good start, although maybe he is a different man compared to when he was on the ice.

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#15 Ogden Brother
November 30 2009, 10:58AM
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Next Year Country wrote:

I disagree with the attitude the the players don't care. I am a 19 year season ticket holder and I have seen lots of cheap shots that could have been avoided, including some by Oilers. However, I have also seen lots of guys hold up and not crush a guy who was in a vulnerable position. A case in point was a play last season when Penner had a guy lined up in the corner. He gave him a bump, but didn't bash him head first into the boards. Of course some yahoos called in to the post game show and criticized him. There are mature, responsible guys who play hard and hit hard, but aren't cheap-shot artists, and there are dirty players who have no sense of fair play or remorse for injuring guys. I am disgusted with the league's inaction (e.g. the hits on Penner and Hemsky).

Regarding Hemsky, now we know why he hasn't been up to par this year. My gripe is that he has been the target for cheap hits from behind for years (Regher, Phaneuf, and many others). The league has not addressed this and the Oilers have not protected him. Not withstanding what I said above, I think the response when Hemmer or other Oilers are hit with cheap, dirty hits should be immediate and severe. A couple of punches in a scrum is a joke. Maybe a crosscheck to the neck or a hard elbow in the chops would get the message across that you can't headhunt oilers.

As for the draft, I am getting close to the point of writing off this year, after watching the debacles on Friday and Saturday. The fact that they couldn't hold two leads against the Sharks and gave up a short-handed goal at the end of the game continues to show that they can't seal the deal. If they are still so mediocre by the Olympic break, I hope they make some trades that put will put them in a position for high draft pick(s) in June.

"the players" is obviously too big of a sweeping generalization, some certainly care more then others.

That said though, it's still their game on the ice. It's their health and their responsibilty to protect them, and if their still is some vigilante's that wont conform to eliminate headshots/hits from behind they should be presuring the league to come down on them hard.

The fact that they don't (at least as far as we know) tells us it's not a big concern for the colective "player".

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#16 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 30 2009, 11:02AM
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@Next Year Country

I'm kinda against the whole eye for and eye, but maybe it is time that guys like Penner just finish their checks instead of skating away. Why do we have to be one of they few teams that doesn't play with and edge? When we played with that edge at the start of the year, we were a way tougher team to play against.

I really don't know what the answer is but Hemsky going down seems to be the excuse this team needed so that it doesn't matter what happens the rest of the way.

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#17 Rick
November 30 2009, 11:23AM
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Gregor: "Is the double standard that bad?"

In what manner do you ask that? Do you mean, is it bad to simply have a double standard or do you mean is the double standard as bad as people make it out to be?

On both counts I would say yes although more so on the second count which is perfectly illustrated by Pronger.

In the same season (I think) that Simon got 30 games for stepping on a player, Pronger got 8 games for doing the same thing. Pronger also had a longer rap sheet of supplimental discipline at the time than Simon did. A double standard indeed.

As a side note, looking at a player's discipline record is misleading because there are many players that get away outright with what they do (Ovechkin). Last week on your show I think a caller brought up the idea of fining players for infractions to still send a message even if they aren't going to suspend him. Your responds was that the maximum fine is such an irrelevant amount that it wouldn't mean anything, which on the surface is obviously correct.

What I think got missed with that suggestion is that if a star player got fined, that fine goes on his record as supplimental discipline and would count against his track record the next time...or should if we are to believe what the league says.

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#18 I'm a Scientist!
November 30 2009, 11:26AM
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Did anyone notice there were Ice Women on this post? No comments yet?

Dibs on the girl on the right!

*rushes off to the bathroom*

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#19 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 30 2009, 11:30AM
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I'm a Scientist! wrote:

Did anyone notice there were Ice Women on this post? No comments yet?

Dibs on the girl on the right!

*rushes off to the bathroom*

The one on the left looks like she's crazy. Not like 'Oh, you so crayzay'. No. I mean actually crazy.

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#20 VK63
November 30 2009, 11:36AM
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The oilers should steal gaboriks shooter tutor

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#21 Harlie
November 30 2009, 11:40AM
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i'll take the brunette who is in between the two blondes. She kinda looks like that broad from show Las Vegas. Vanessa Marcil

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#22 I'm a Scientist!
November 30 2009, 11:45AM
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@Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things

Yeah like a 'why-were-you-talking-to-that-girl'-crazy. Or a 'If-you-ever-leave-me-i-will-kill-myself' crazy...

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#23 Dyckster
November 30 2009, 11:45AM
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I'm a Scientist! wrote:

Did anyone notice there were Ice Women on this post? No comments yet?

Dibs on the girl on the right!

*rushes off to the bathroom*

"rushes off to the bathroom"

~To do what?~

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#24 DonDon
November 30 2009, 11:48AM
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Wait until the Vancouver Olympics break before considering player changes? When I checked the standings this morning, the Oilers were in 14th place in the Western Conference, 1 point ahead of the Wild, but the Wild has 2 games in hand. And the Oilers have lost the first 2 of their 7 game road stand. I thought being in 11th was bad enough, but relegated to last place!

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#25 Ender
November 30 2009, 11:50AM
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Dan the Man posted this last week, but for those who didn't view it, this is a great inside look at how league suspensions are reviewed:

http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2009/11/nhl-suspensions.html

@ Harlie

Are you sure that's a woman? I mean, from the neck down, heck yeah, but . . .

I'm thinking that the photographer put the wrong two girls in the middle here. It's the flankers that are the hotties.

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#26 Petr's Jofa
November 30 2009, 11:51AM
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You can have her...

This is the first time that the ice girl picture has scared me. 2 crazy/trashy looking brunettes and a blonde version of Frankenstein. The other blonde is great.

I'm getting the same sort of weird/scared tinglies I used to get when I used to drunkly stumble passed the alternative girls waiting in line at the Re-bar. (Back when it was scary well before it became trendy.) Those two brunettes may be a wild time and they might teach me a few things, but at the same time I might wake up on a concret floor missing a kidney.

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#27 I'm a Scientist!
November 30 2009, 11:53AM
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Dyckster wrote:

"rushes off to the bathroom"

~To do what?~

Well, this is awkward... I just really had to go, ok? I didn't realize i needed a hall pass!

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#28 RossCreekNation
November 30 2009, 11:55AM
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FINALLY... THE ROSS... HAS COME BACK... TO... OILERS--NATION!!

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#29 RossCreekNation
November 30 2009, 11:57AM
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I'm a Scientist! wrote:

Did anyone notice there were Ice Women on this post? No comments yet?

Dibs on the girl on the right!

*rushes off to the bathroom*

Awww man!

The chick 2nd from left looks like she could knock my block off.

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#30 Frankels
November 30 2009, 12:02PM
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It always amazes me what low standards men have when considering a girl attractive - those ice girls are nasty.

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#31 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 30 2009, 12:09PM
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It always amazes me what low standards men have when considering a girl attractive - those ice girls are nasty.

Is that you in your picture? You're really attractive.

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#32 Harlie
November 30 2009, 12:10PM
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haha the Re-Bar...been awhile since I heard of that place and since I rocked out there with the alt freaks. Any of the 4 ice girls in that pic would be tens at the Re-bar back in the day. Now the Bronx was another story...the alt's there were actually good looking for the most part. Best place to get some cherry pie had to have been Ezzie's back in the day tho. Anyone who couldn't score there had problems.

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#33 RossCreekNation
November 30 2009, 12:13PM
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Haven't had my (Read: my gf's) 3G connection for-like-ever, so I've been stuck reading updates on my cel phone, unable to comment (for some unknown reason, I've been unable to comment from celly since the upgrade, bingo?).

Its been funny reading some of the "where's RossCreek" comments. No, Brownlee did not run me off over the Du Maurier comments (what? Deslaurier/DuMaurier - they sound similar, what's not to get? Anyway, said buddy didn't know Deslauriers' name last year and doesn't know much hockey in general - other than Roloson, Garon & Khabibulin are the 3 'best' goalies in the league over the past few seasons. He said 'they should put in that DuMaurier or whatever his name is, so now a few of us call him DuMaurier. No trailerpark sponsorships here, lol. Its not like The Delorean makes a whole lot more sense, although it IS cooler.)

No, I was not with Wanye in Europe puffin magic dragons (~thanks for the invite though~).

Working nightshifts suck (except when you miss the first 4 hours for row 3 tix to the Oil/Sharks game - Awesome finish Oil!)

Things sure have gotten ugly in Oilerville since I last regularily posted.

Feels good to be back!

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#34 bingofuel
November 30 2009, 12:14PM
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Welcome back, dude! Where the hell were you!?

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#35 smiliegirl15
November 30 2009, 12:15PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

FINALLY... THE ROSS... HAS COME BACK... TO... OILERS--NATION!!

You were gone? ;)

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#36 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 30 2009, 12:18PM
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Things sure have gotten ugly in Oilerville since I last regularily posted.

Oh - that's just today. Last week's ice girls were pretty cute.

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#37 RossCreekNation
November 30 2009, 12:18PM
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Ezzies was THE BOMB from 99-01 (my NAIT era). I wonder if Mr. Ezzie Meralda knows he got the portion of my student loans that NAIT and random pizza joints didn't get.

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#38 Petr's Jofa
November 30 2009, 12:18PM
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I guess I' had problems because I can't say I ever picked up at Ezzie's. I always got way too wasted. Same problem applied to the Wednesdays and Thursday Keg Parties at Club Malibu, and the 3 for 1 Wednesdays at the Rev.

Man, it's amazing I earned a degree.

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#39 RossCreekNation
November 30 2009, 12:19PM
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You know you missed me ;-)

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#40 RossCreekNation
November 30 2009, 12:21PM
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Dude, why can't I post from my cel? Is it my phone?

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#41 RossCreekNation
November 30 2009, 12:26PM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

Things sure have gotten ugly in Oilerville since I last regularily posted.

Oh - that's just today. Last week's ice girls were pretty cute.

LOL. I've kept up to speed at the Nation, just couldn't post comments.

Sat row 53 for the last Av's game and row 3 @ the Sharks game. Next up... Battle of Alberta Dec. 28

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#42 Senator Theo
November 30 2009, 12:27PM
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Ice girls and shorts are a good combination. for fans.

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#43 roughneck
November 30 2009, 12:39PM
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Am I alone in this solitary wish? last night the refs go for an ice girl fondle and donny brashear administers matt cookes discipline.

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#44 RossCreekNation
November 30 2009, 12:46PM
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Eklund says Cogliano to NYR for Brandon Dubinky. I almost wouldn't post this because HE says it, but I've thought that could be a fit since last summer (when both players looked like they may be moved). I know the Cog lovers will hate this (they seem to hate ANY deal involving him). I haven't seen a whole lot of Dubinsky, but I think he'd be a better fit and an upgrade. Let the debate begin...

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#45 Robin Brownlee
November 30 2009, 12:50PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

FINALLY... THE ROSS... HAS COME BACK... TO... OILERS--NATION!!

Please, resist the urge to announce you're leaving/you're back/thinking of leaving/thinking of coming back/too heartbroken to keep cheering for the Oilers/too pissed off to cheer for the Oilers/coming back after being too heartbroken/pissed off to cheer for the Oilers etc et etc.

It's nothing more than a desperate plea for validation that belongs at that other website, not here. You're back? Fine. Gone? OK.

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#46 Ogden Brother
November 30 2009, 12:51PM
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Eklund says Cogliano to NYR for Brandon Dubinky. I almost wouldn't post this because HE says it, but I've thought that could be a fit since last summer (when both players looked like they may be moved). I know the Cog lovers will hate this (they seem to hate ANY deal involving him). I haven't seen a whole lot of Dubinsky, but I think he'd be a better fit and an upgrade. Let the debate begin...

Yes please

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#47 bingofuel
November 30 2009, 12:53PM
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No, it's buggy code. I shall advise citizen alpha immediately. What phone and browser (type and version) are you using?

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#48 Harlie
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and when he comes back he peppers us with an Eklund post! Damn you Rossy! Leave that Eklund vomit on that other website.

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#49 Dan the Man
November 30 2009, 12:54PM
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Did you really just say the "E" word?

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#50 rubbertrout
November 30 2009, 01:08PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Please, resist the urge to announce you're leaving/you're back/thinking of leaving/thinking of coming back/too heartbroken to keep cheering for the Oilers/too pissed off to cheer for the Oilers/coming back after being too heartbroken/pissed off to cheer for the Oilers etc et etc.

It's nothing more than a desperate plea for validation that belongs at that other website, not here. You're back? Fine. Gone? OK.

Lighten up Robin. They guy has been gone a while and other commenters have been wondering where he was. He probably didn't need such a grand proclamation of his return but come on. Do we really need to call it a "desperate plea for validation"?

Of course Flames Nation could use some readers. At last count I think they had 3 including Ross Creek.

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